Hillary wrote:And, of course, the biggie. How does the Doctor survive being shot by spaceman Melody and why does he confront her when he knows what will happen?
Why is everyone assuming it's Melody who kills him? River appeared to be utterly unaware of what was about to transpire that day. And if she'd already killed him, she wouldn't have gone through all that trouble in Let's Kill Hitler: As far as she would have been concerned, the Doctor would already be dead. And yet there she was, doing her best to kill his ass.
It's someone in a suit. But we've been given enough evidence to assume that it's NOT Melody/River who does the deed.
Well for that matter, why did River not know it was her (Melody) in the suit later in the first epiode? I don't think there's any doubt that the little girl in the suit IS Melody/River, is there?
What evidence has there been to suggest it wasn't her who killed the Doctor? The timecops in the robot certainly had her fingered as killing the Doctor in Utah in 1969.
He has weaved a very tangled web, has Moffat. I hope he can get out of the mess without too much retconning.
Hillary wrote:And, of course, the biggie. How does the Doctor survive being shot by spaceman Melody and why does he confront her when he knows what will happen?
Why is everyone assuming it's Melody who kills him? River appeared to be utterly unaware of what was about to transpire that day. And if she'd already killed him, she wouldn't have gone through all that trouble in Let's Kill Hitler: As far as she would have been concerned, the Doctor would already be dead. And yet there she was, doing her best to kill his ass.
It's someone in a suit. But we've been given enough evidence to assume that it's NOT Melody/River who does the deed.
Plus if she gave Devil's Run a miss because she knew a past version of herself would be there, even as a baby not able to remember anything, she'd be giving The Doctor's death in the Impossible Astronaught a miss if it was her in the suit.
Also what's this "Rory using the past tense" thing people mention? I guess I missed that.
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Rory: "With all the time we've spent in the TARDIS, what was left to be afraid of?"
I may not have the quote exactly right, but that's the basic gist of it. He did speak in the past tense, as if they'd already stopped traveling with the Doctor.
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Broomstick wrote:Rory: "With all the time we've spent in the TARDIS, what was left to be afraid of?"
I may not have the quote exactly right, but that's the basic gist of it. He did speak in the past tense, as if they'd already stopped traveling with the Doctor.
One of the Doctor/Amy/Rory is definitely not who they seem. Whether that's different timelines or flesh versions or something else entirely, there is something weird going on withthe dynamics between the three.
Some people on Gallifrey Base have been making a big deal about the color of Amy's nail polish changing from green to blue for similar reasons, implying she was replaced - but for the life of me I can't see the difference. Then again, if it was one of the shades of green affected by my color blindness it could have appeared blue to me the whole time.
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Now I did a job. I got nothing but trouble since I did it, not to mention more than a few unkind words as regard to my character so let me make this abundantly clear. I do the job. And then I get paid.- Malcolm Reynolds, Captain of Serenity, which sums up my feelings regarding the lawsuit discussed here.
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Broomstick wrote:Rory: "With all the time we've spent in the TARDIS, what was left to be afraid of?"
I may not have the quote exactly right, but that's the basic gist of it. He did speak in the past tense, as if they'd already stopped traveling with the Doctor.
I guess I heard that as "what's left to be afraid of?", which makes sense given what he's been through.
Could just be a grammatical error that they didn't catch.
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Except that I'm sure the Doctor noticed it and mentioned it in the episode right after he did it. Just like when Amy called him out on saying they were Knights or something.
... something is definitely off about Rory. Both Amy and the Doctor call him out on him saying something strange this episode, and both times he refused to answer them.
Hillary wrote:And, of course, the biggie. How does the Doctor survive being shot by spaceman Melody and why does he confront her when he knows what will happen?
Why is everyone assuming it's Melody who kills him? River appeared to be utterly unaware of what was about to transpire that day. And if she'd already killed him, she wouldn't have gone through all that trouble in Let's Kill Hitler: As far as she would have been concerned, the Doctor would already be dead. And yet there she was, doing her best to kill his ass.
It's someone in a suit. But we've been given enough evidence to assume that it's NOT Melody/River who does the deed.
Well for that matter, why did River not know it was her (Melody) in the suit later in the first epiode? I don't think there's any doubt that the little girl in the suit IS Melody/River, is there?
What evidence has there been to suggest it wasn't her who killed the Doctor? The timecops in the robot certainly had her fingered as killing the Doctor in Utah in 1969.
He has weaved a very tangled web, has Moffat. I hope he can get out of the mess without too much retconning.
We know that Melody is in the suit later in the episode, because we see her face. But we don't know that it was her in the suit, killing The Doctor. We're making that assumption because we see her in a similar suit later on. But with all the time dickery going on, there's no reason it HAS to be her killing the Doctor. There is no causual link between the killing at the lakeside and River in the suit. We never even see the face of the person killing the Doctor. Those Time Cops assume a lot, but they couldn't even get the time of Hitler's demise right. In fact they just whacked somebody before they were even sure what year it was. Sloppy assholes.
In fact, River being surprised at the events at the lake, and her trying to kill the Doctor AFTER she becomes WomanRiver in the Hitler ep., all point to it not being her in the suit.
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Episode annoyed me to no end and followed it up with a repeat of the Doctor destroying the faith of his companions. Been there, done that.
Doctor sees a room with the TARDIS cloister sound - Fear of the TARDIS dying I expect.
Amy / Rory leaving - They have been decent companions although the love triangle shit got rather annoying and the plots render them cannon fodder. I personnally like Rory more than any of the companions in recent history for the simple fact he provides FRESH content rather than the repeated romantic conotations with female companions.
Bit of a shame to see them go so the series can bring in a fresh girl to play romance with. However, I suspect they will be back since the River situation hasnt been resolved and they can do more Emo Doctor on his own again.
River Song - Honestly, this series has really taken a nosedive with regards to the overall arc. Even if events are somehow building up the way its being done seems largely bizzare. Almost no answers regarding River Song or what the hell is going on with the Doctor's impending death and the series seems to have taken a tangent as if they forgot where they are going.
While I do not like the River Song character and want to see her booted off the show ASAP... I would like them to do it properly by tying it up rather than have this hanging question mark of what the fuck is going on.
Revy wrote:Except that I'm sure the Doctor noticed it and mentioned it in the episode right after he did it. Just like when Amy called him out on saying they were Knights or something.
... something is definitely off about Rory. Both Amy and the Doctor call him out on him saying something strange this episode, and both times he refused to answer them.
When did this happen? Not to say it didn't, but I have no recollection of it.
Anyway, yes, a lot of this was "inspired" by The Curse of Fenric, but Fenric was 22 years ago so I can give them some leeway on it. No one complained that Night Terrors was similar to Fear Her and that was five years ago and a reviled episode. Really my main issue with the whole "Doctor makes Amy lose her faith" part was that surely it was obvious that he was de-constructing her faith to save her... thus reaffirming her faith. I suppose due to high stakes situation and her beginning to be affected by the minotaur... but it seemed a little too easily wrapped up. Wibbly wobbly brainy wainy?
Besides that, it was entertaining enough. I don't believe the episode was meant to be particularly scary to the viewer. Some people seem to believe it was trying to be and failed. But the rooms are all about personal fears, many of which are irrational or borne out of very specific circumstances. They're not meant to have an overall aura of terror to everyone. (Of course, if you wanted a scary episode and hate dummies or being yelled at for forgetting your P.E., then, hey, you lucked out!) I believe Night Terrors was supposed to be the "scare-fest."
It was interesting and it kept my attention. There were some entertaining one-liners and while it may not have directly furthered the season arc, it didn't have to. If the last episode of the season doesn't forward it, then I'll complain.
Revy wrote:Except that I'm sure the Doctor noticed it and mentioned it in the episode right after he did it. Just like when Amy called him out on saying they were Knights or something.
... something is definitely off about Rory. Both Amy and the Doctor call him out on him saying something strange this episode, and both times he refused to answer them.
So.... Rory is the person in the suit that shoots the Doctor and River takes the fall for him because he's her father...?
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Now I did a job. I got nothing but trouble since I did it, not to mention more than a few unkind words as regard to my character so let me make this abundantly clear. I do the job. And then I get paid.- Malcolm Reynolds, Captain of Serenity, which sums up my feelings regarding the lawsuit discussed here.
If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. - John F. Kennedy
Broomstick wrote:So.... Rory is the person in the suit that shoots the Doctor and River takes the fall for him because he's her father...?
... what? All I said was something is off about Rory because he keeps saying stuff that both Amy and the Doctor find weird. I don't know what his deal is, but this episode Rory comes off ... strange. I have no idea what it means though.
Masami von Weizegger wrote:When did this happen? Not to say it didn't, but I have no recollection of it.
Near the start of the episode. When the Doctor rings the bell the group of people rush up and everyone starts yelling at each other. At which point Rory says something like "We're not Knights!", and then when everyone starts to calm down Amy asks him if he just said that. He doesn't answer.
Revy wrote:Near the start of the episode. When the Doctor rings the bell the group of people rush up and everyone starts yelling at each other. At which point Rory says something like "We're not Knights!", and then when everyone starts to calm down Amy asks him if he just said that. He doesn't answer.
Broomstick wrote:So.... Rory is the person in the suit that shoots the Doctor and River takes the fall for him because he's her father...?
... what? All I said was something is off about Rory because he keeps saying stuff that both Amy and the Doctor find weird. I don't know what his deal is, but this episode Rory comes off ... strange. I have no idea what it means though.
It's just a weird thought that popped into my head after reading your post.
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Meh, not bad. Better than most so far but that's a pretty low bar to jump over.
I'll agree that something is off about Rory. Maybe the lack of a room for him shows he's not human (and is different enough for the virtual hotel to not recognise him).
As for what's in the Doctor's room, we have the cloister bell tolling but I don't think it's the TARDIS dying or something. It's probably a slightly future version of himself, that woudl fit with the emo doctor thing.
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Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."
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Hillary wrote:Why is the rescue of Amy's baby suddenly not the No.1 mission? Perception filter perhaps?
They found Melody and discovered that her childhood is so closely connected to their own history that they can't change it. Rescue baby Melody and the first ten minutes of "Let's Kill Hitler" never happen, Amy doesn't get together with Rory or name her daughter after her best friend Melody.
Hillary wrote:Why is the rescue of Amy's baby suddenly not the No.1 mission? Perception filter perhaps?
They found Melody and discovered that her childhood is so closely connected to their own history that they can't change it. Rescue baby Melody and the first ten minutes of "Let's Kill Hitler" never happen, Amy doesn't get together with Rory or name her daughter after her best friend Melody.
What I found strange. The series tends to go out of its way to keep things appropriate for children, trying not to put any obvious sexual content, even when it is a major plot point (Good Man Goes to War). And yet, at the end of the God Complex, they go and name an entire fucking planet 'Volatile Sex.'
ChosenOne54 wrote:What I found strange. The series tends to go out of its way to keep things appropriate for children, trying not to put any obvious sexual content, even when it is a major plot point (Good Man Goes to War). And yet, at the end of the God Complex, they go and name an entire fucking planet 'Volatile Sex.'
I am confuzzed.
"Volatile Surface". It is nigh incomprehensible but the second word is clearly two syllables.
1) His prior dislike of apples was due to the after effects of regeneration. Unless you want to believe fish fingers and custard are the ONLY thing he's eating these days.
2) It wasn't a real apple.
3) He changed his mind.
A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory.Leonard Nimoy.
Now I did a job. I got nothing but trouble since I did it, not to mention more than a few unkind words as regard to my character so let me make this abundantly clear. I do the job. And then I get paid.- Malcolm Reynolds, Captain of Serenity, which sums up my feelings regarding the lawsuit discussed here.
If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. - John F. Kennedy
1) His prior dislike of apples was due to the after effects of regeneration. Unless you want to believe fish fingers and custard are the ONLY thing he's eating these days.
That's what I get for trying to watch Doctor Who when people are talking. D'oh.
