Battle of Ajilon Prime

[JasonB]

Why did the Klingon Empire not us BOP to provide air support during the Battle of Ajilan Prime.

While I have some theory why one possible Ajilon Prime big planetary defend system like photon launchers place different areas around the different settlements or more interest possible UFP combat ground vehicle that carry mobile photon torpedoes launchers. Making suicide for the Klingon try us BOP and Klingon to us advance EW warfare to hide own vehicle form those mobile photon torpedoes launchers. I like hear other theory’s of possible why Klingon Emprie us BOP to provide fire support foot soldier during that battle.

[StarSword]

Stark put it better than I ever could:

It's your fault. It's because you're so cataclysmically retarded. Hang your head in shame.

[StarSword]

More seriously, you could just as easily ask why the Federation didn't use Defiant-class ships or whatever to provide air support during the same battle. After all, we know from other episodes that said vessels are capable of atmospheric flight (unlike, say, the Galaxy-class).

EDIT: The easy answer is that DS9's budget wouldn't allow for that kind of thing. But with SOD? Ya got me.

[Metahive]

Easy, because of all the Borg stealthily positioning themselves between the BOPs and Defiants in orbit and the people on ground so they couldn't hit them, dummy! Here's a link underlining my point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadblock

Traffic signs say phasers and disruptors go that way! It's what the Borg do. Checking the sobriety of energy discharges is not futile, it brings them closer to perfection. You're thinking too three-dimensionally if you think otherwise. It's also so all those spread-phaser bursts don't dislodge rocks to fall on the predators, something most important to consider.

Wasn't that, like, the most obvious answer in the world?

[JasonB]

More seriously, you could just as easily ask why the Federation didn't use Defiant-class ships or whatever to provide air support during the same battle. After all, we know from other episodes that said vessels are capable of atmospheric flight (unlike, say, the Galaxy-class).

EDIT: The easy answer is that DS9's budget wouldn't allow for that kind of thing. But with SOD? Ya got me.

Reason UFP starship provide air support is for a simple reason. UFP could not get starship to provide air support for same reason why UFP could not get staship there to provide reinforcements and resupplied the troops in that battle. Klingon destroy one starship near enough to provide any real help at the time. As for issue budget that terrible excuss sound effective cost that much hear sound disrupter bolt fire in distance ground little bit shaking. It require Little more some talk and how so offer us tirocrder act form EW warfare to make harder BOP get lock them their sensors we could heard BOP disruptors firing in distance in distance as we see mortars shell flying hit the ground as the two them were rushing and forward hear to try get power generation.

[StarSword]

@JasonB: <vent>Jesus Christ, man, are you physically incapable of writing a coherent sentence?</vent>

Reason UFP starship provide air support is for a simple reason. UFP could not get starship to provide air support for same reason why UFP could not get staship there to provide reinforcements and resupplied the troops in that battle. Klingon destroy one starship near enough to provide any real help at the time.

I'm aware the USS Farragut got blown up. What about when the Defiant got there to resupply? Why didn't they have the Defiant strafe the Klingon troops?

As for issue budget that terrible excuss sound effective cost that much hear sound disrupter bolt fire in distance ground little bit shaking.

The budget is a perfectly good excuse for why the DS9 production team didn't show BOPs screaming overhead on strafing runs (and because the DS9 writers in general seem to have little understanding of ground combat tactics). However, as I mentioned, "the budget" and "the writers" are not valid reasons in-universe.

It require Little more some talk and how so offer us tirocrder act form EW warfare to make harder BOP get lock them their sensors we could heard BOP disruptors firing in distance in distance as we see mortars shell flying hit the ground as the two them were rushing and forward hear to try get power generation.

Try that again, with proper punctuation. I can't make heads or tails of it.

JasonB, you ever take a moment to ask yourself why your topics rarely go anywhere, and why your posts are frequently ignored and/or mocked? It's because we can't understand your arguments because they are grammatically horrendous. (Borg smell attacks, anyone? )

[JasonB]

@JasonB: <vent>Jesus Christ, man, are you physically incapable of writing a coherent sentence?</vent>

Reason UFP starship provide air support is for a simple reason. UFP could not get starship to provide air support for same reason why UFP could not get staship there to provide reinforcements and resupplied the troops in that battle. Klingon destroy one starship near enough to provide any real help at the time.

I'm aware the USS Farragut got blown up. What about when the Defiant got there to resupply? Why didn't they have the Defiant strafe the Klingon troops?

As for issue budget that terrible excuss sound effective cost that much hear sound disrupter bolt fire in distance ground little bit shaking.

The budget is a perfectly good excuse for why the DS9 production team didn't show BOPs screaming overhead on strafing runs (and because the DS9 writers in general seem to have little understanding of ground combat tactics). However, as I mentioned, "the budget" and "the writers" are not valid reasons in-universe.

It require Little more some talk and how so offer us tirocrder act form EW warfare to make harder BOP get lock them their sensors we could heard BOP disruptors firing in distance in distance as we see mortars shell flying hit the ground as the two them were rushing and forward hear to try get power generation.

Try that again, with proper punctuation. I can't make heads or tails of it.

JasonB, you ever take a moment to ask yourself why your topics rarely go anywhere, and why your posts are frequently ignored and/or mocked? It's because we can't understand your arguments because they are grammatically horrendous. (Borg smell attacks, anyone? )

Who knows maybe USS Defiant did provide air support all we know war over after Caption Sisko and good doctor woke Jake Sisko up.

[Iroscato]

Stark put it better than I ever could:

It's your fault. It's because you're so cataclysmically retarded. Hang your head in shame.

Seconded. JasonB, I am going to put this as clearly and stongly as I can.

STOP MURDERING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE AND BEING SUCH AN IMBECILE.
Thanking you.

[KhorneFlakes]

All I say about this is that the Borg smell attacks are what you gotta watch out for. Just ignore the Borg tying to beam onto your ships - they're too stupid to pose a threat to any competently crewed starship.

But seriously, those smell attacks are lethal - I've heard that those Borg stink so much that people die upon smelling them!

[Metahive]

Their flesh is necrotic (well, it certainly looks that way) and they usually dwell in a rather warm environment with high humidity as stated in First Contact. Is it therefore wrong to presume that they indeed must smell like, well, rotting carcasses?

Can someone explain just why a hi-tech race would choose to live in a jungle-like atmosphere? You'd think that'll do wonders to their wiring.

[Darth Tedious]

The jungle atmosphere together with their leathery clothing combines to increase the effectiveness of the smell attacks. Even without necrosis, have a think about what that'd get like after a few days (and then consider that they don't ever change clothes).

[Stofsk]

Sigh.

Another reason I have to hate First Contact.

[Iroscato]

Sigh.

Another reason I have to hate First Contact.

Why, what are the other reasons? I thought it was a rather decent film myself, other than the Borg being deconstructed as a villian through its course.

[Stofsk]

The story was stupid. It's another time travel story and it doesn't even make sense. The borg were retconned. In particular the Queen was unnecessary and made the borg out to be something they were not. Their motivation was stupid. If their entire plan was to go back in time to assimilate earth, why didn't they just go back in time somewhere without tipping off Starfleet and the Enterprise by shooting through their fleet to get into orbit of earth? Why are they even trying to assimilate earth back then for anyway? Earth didn't have any technology back then and Q told us they weren't interested in conquest or petty concerns but only stuff like a race's biological or technological distinctiveness. Even if the time travel thing wasn't their primary mission, if it was their 'plan b' in other words, well why didn't they throw more than one cube at earth? If wiping out Starfleet and assimilating humanity is their goal instead of going back in time and assimilating earth before the Federation had even formed, why did they only send one cube to attack? Hell for that matter, what is this 'poke someone with needles to borgify them' crap? Assimilation was never that easy on the show, it was even shown that borg were born as babies and have implants put on them.

Other flaws: Picard picks up a phaser rifle and never puts it down. Zephram Cochrane was completely retconned; not only was Cromwell miscast because he looks nothing like the actor that played him in TOS, but even in terms of temperament and bearing they're simply not the same character. (seriously it makes you wonder if anyone who worked on TNG ever even watched TOS) There is also the other absurdity that the Phoenix was built out in the middle of nowhere, apparently with like only a handful of dudes working on it. And of course, the whole story is about 'this is how the vulcans met humanity', which I thought was stupid too. (the story about vulcan first contact with earth was the subject of a novel which was far more interesting and completely different than what we got in this movie)

Anyway this would fall under the whole 'borg suck in this movie' thing. I had completely forgotten about the line about the changes to engineering's climate. As others have pointed out, it makes no sense given the borg are supposed to be cybernetic life forms.

[Iroscato]

The story was stupid. It's another time travel story and it doesn't even make sense. The borg were retconned. In particular the Queen was unnecessary and made the borg out to be something they were not. Their motivation was stupid. If their entire plan was to go back in time to assimilate earth, why didn't they just go back in time somewhere without tipping off Starfleet and the Enterprise by shooting through their fleet to get into orbit of earth? Why are they even trying to assimilate earth back then for anyway? Earth didn't have any technology back then and Q told us they weren't interested in conquest or petty concerns but only stuff like a race's biological or technological distinctiveness. Even if the time travel thing wasn't their primary mission, if it was their 'plan b' in other words, well why didn't they throw more than one cube at earth? If wiping out Starfleet and assimilating humanity is their goal instead of going back in time and assimilating earth before the Federation had even formed, why did they only send one cube to attack? Hell for that matter, what is this 'poke someone with needles to borgify them' crap? Assimilation was never that easy on the show, it was even shown that borg were born as babies and have implants put on them.

Other flaws: Picard picks up a phaser rifle and never puts it down. Zephram Cochrane was completely retconned; not only was Cromwell miscast because he looks nothing like the actor that played him in TOS, but even in terms of temperament and bearing they're simply not the same character. (seriously it makes you wonder if anyone who worked on TNG ever even watched TOS) There is also the other absurdity that the Phoenix was built out in the middle of nowhere, apparently with like only a handful of dudes working on it. And of course, the whole story is about 'this is how the vulcans met humanity', which I thought was stupid too. (the story about vulcan first contact with earth was the subject of a novel which was far more interesting and completely different than what we got in this movie)

Anyway this would fall under the whole 'borg suck in this movie' thing. I had completely forgotten about the line about the changes to engineering's climate. As others have pointed out, it makes no sense given the borg are supposed to be cybernetic life forms.

I agree with these flaws wholeheartedly, but for some reason I can't stop liking the film. Help me!
I think the writers, at some point in the 90's, though 'oh shit, we've made an enemy that is terrifyingly powerful, we need to dial it back a bit so we can have them regularly appear and get their asses kicked.' It's so stupid doing that. It would've been better to have them appear more rarely, and to have a major character killed off or three after every encounter, or some other terrible sacrifice being made.
But ah well, that's all in the past now. I'm just looking forward to the next ST film and wondering how they'll kill the franchise for a 3rd time in 10 years or so.

[Metahive]

The best thing is that right after introducing the Borg's peculiar preference for equatorial climates, they immediately ignore it for the rest of the movie and all other series. None of the guys who enter Borg occupied territory even sweat although their starfleet pajamas should be soaked after just a few minutes. And before anyone says it, no, the pajamas are never shown to acclimatize.

That's right, they introduced it just to have an ominous "the Borg are upon us" moment and then promptly threw the whole stupid plot-conceit into the nearest memory hole. That's quality writing right there, folks!

[JasonB]

[quote="Metahive"]The best thing is that right after introducing the Borg's peculiar preference for equatorial climates, they immediately ignore it for the rest of the movie and all other series. None of the guys who enter Borg occupied territory even sweat although their starfleet pajamas should be soaked after just a few minutes. And before anyone says it, no, the pajamas are never shown to acclimatize.

Way off topic guys the Borg had nothing to do with battle Ajilon Prime. I think three possible reasons first and for-must the USS Defiant only UFP starship had cloaking device on that we know off. In practice UFP might using the USS Defiant as blockade runner get supplies Ajilon Prime decloak land one settlements least under siege beam the supplies to that settlement recloak and then head back to area nearest supplied base. Question I have for you would the UFP willing risk own blockade runner be destroyed in action when Ajilon Prime under Siege.

[Metahive]

Hey, that's just great. You can haul in the Borg when making up your inane theories, like how they must have been responsible for the UFP losing in the Yesterday's Enterprise timeline somehow, but when we do it's "off-topic". Take that hypocritical double-standard and ram it up your poop-chute.

[JasonB]

Hey, that's just great. You can haul in the Borg when making up your inane theories, like how they must have been responsible for the UFP losing in the Yesterday's Enterprise timeline somehow, but when we do it's "off-topic". Take that hypocritical double-standard and ram it up your poop-chute.

Will come up thoery on why UFP was losing the that war Klingon Empire in Yesterday Entarpise timeline the Borg is possible. Is anyway that Borg could had anything to do with the reason Klingon not us BOP provide ground supported. The post that write was supposed to be coming reason Klingon did not us BOP provide fire support for thier troops.

[Enigma]

No theories unless you can prove it. I've got a theory too. It involves you and a dwarven chimney sweeper.

[Iroscato]

Every time JasonB makes a post, somewhere in the world, a lamb dies.

JasonB! Stop Posting! Think of the lambs!

[JasonB]

No theories unless you can prove it. I've got a theory too. It involves you and a dwarven chimney sweeper.

Science fiction debates all about theories because nothing proven.

[Batman]

Every time JasonB makes a post, somewhere in the world, a lamb dies.
JasonB! Stop Posting! Think of the lambs!

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JasonB! By all means keep posting! Think of the lamb meat eaters!

No theories unless you can prove it. I've got a theory too. It involves you and a dwarven chimney sweeper.

Science fiction debates all about theories because nothing proven.

There's theories based on what in-universe passes for facts/reasonable deductions from those same sorta facts, which is what everybody else is doing, and there's baseless speculation that's supported by nothing whatsoever, actually, except that it happens to be they way you want things to be, which is what you've been doing.

[Panzersharkcat]

Every time JasonB makes a post, somewhere in the world, a lamb dies.
JasonB! Stop Posting! Think of the lambs!

Lamb fillet is extremely tasty and more dead lambs mean cheaper lamb meat.

The downside of this is that every time he posts, a fundie is born.

[Batman]

Yeah, but it's the US (or possibly some Middle Eastern country or other) that has to deal with the fundies, not me. Whereas cheaper lamb meat benefits everybody (well everybody who eats meat at any rate). The way I see it, I get cheaper lamb, somebody else gets settled with having to deal with some more fundies. As far as I'm concerned, I come out ahead.