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Date: September 27, 2011
Okay, according to my "Hollywood representative," we've officially closed the deal on the movie option for the Honorverse. I should be seeing the contracts in the next few days, and there are a couple of other legal documents that need to be traded back and forth, but We Have a Deal.

There was quite a bit of discussion on the forum a while back about what goes into a successful movie adaptation of a literary work, and whether or not a literary work can be "successfully" adapted at all. The Lord of the Rings was used as an example, and everyone involved (including me) trotted out the aspects of the Peter Jackson adaptation that didn't work for us. And now, if all goes well, it's going to be Honor's turn, beginning with On Basilisk Station.

I'm not going to lie to you — I feel a certain degree of trepidation. I think that's inevitable, given how many years I've put into creating the books and the characters in them. It's a given, inescapable, that there are going to be changes to the books to bring them to the movie screen and that some of those changes are going to tick off some of Honor's most devoted readers. It can't be any other way, if only because of the size of the books and the sprawling nature of the Honorverse.

At the same time, though, I'm very excited about the discussions we've had so far on this project. There are several things, I think, working in our favor.

(1) The studio involved is headed by people who have actually read the books, who like the characters, who know the characters, and who have pulled up blocks of actual dialogue from the books in face-to-face discussions with me to illustrate their understanding of Honor's character and the reason they're excited about the project.

(2) Although the studio is a cutting edge CGI/3-D studio, what they said to me more than once when we were discussing the option is that "All the special effects in the world cannot make a successful movie. Special effects may make a satisfying visual spectacle, but a successful movie requires storyline, and a successful series of movies requires characters. It's the characters and the fully developed background of the Honorverse which have drawn us to this project."

(3) The producer and the studio are the same entity, which is going to preclude or at least hugely reduce the kinds of pissing contests producers and studios can get into.

(4) They have not simply hired me on as a creative consultant, but we've already been in fairly intensive coast-to-coast videoconferences about the characters and the story line, and they are clearly listening to me.

(5) They are thinking in terms not of a single feature film but of a series of films, based not on generated-for-the-movie plots but on the actual storyline of the series. As a result, they have a very strong interest in treating the characters and the storyline with respect.

(6) One of the things they are especially excited about is the opportunity to bring actual fleet combat to the screen. Not a couple of starships dogfighting at visual range, but actual walls of battle engaging one another. Obviously, since they're starting with Basilisk Station, there is going to be the classic single ship duel between Fearless and Sirus, but that's not all they have in mind. I'm not going to tell you what else they have in mind at this point, but I will say that while I experienced a moment of reservations when they told me the first additional thing they were thinking about, I've since come to the enthusiastic conclusion that it's A Good Idea™, especially from a cinematic perspective, and enthusiastically aided and abetted them in making it work.

There are other points working in favor of a good outcome, as well. At the same time, clearly this is a very, very early stage in the process, and I'm learning quite a bit already about the nuts and bolts and the decisions that have to be made when you start adapting a novel to film. It is unfortunately true that there have to be cost-benefit trade-offs when you start looking at which characters to keep, which ones might possibly be merged with other characters, what parts of the original plot can be preserved, etc. You only get about 120 pages of script to work with, and that requires some fairly ruthless pragmatism when you start deciding what goes on those pages. When it works properly, what you get in the end is a movie which is faithful to the original but not identical to it. That's what we're looking at accomplishing at this point.

There are, obviously, certain characters who simply cannot be written out or written around or combined with someone else. In some cases, you actually find yourself having to give a secondary character more screen time because you want an especially good actor or actress to portray that character, and unless they have enough screen time you're not (a) going to be able to attract an actor or actress of the caliber you want or (b) going to be able, within the constraints of your budget, to pay an actor or actress of that caliber. I'm sort of thinking, for example, that Harkness could fall in that category, and possibly Klaus Hauptman. Certainly we need someone really good for MacGuiness, and we need to be thinking about Hamish Alexander for the future. So there's going to have to be some strategic horsetrading where dialogue and screen time are concerned.

The critical thing to me is that these people are interested in the Honorverse and in the characters who live in it, and they clearly don't see it as the opportunity to make one movie and then get out. That's what they told me when we originally began discussions with them; that's what I observed when Sharon and I flew out to LA to meet them face-to-face; that's what the option agreement is set up to produce; and that's consistent with all of the discussion we've had so far about characterization, technology, the back story of the characters and the universe, etc. I'm sure that everyone who options his literary works to Hollywood starts out filled with confidence, and we all know the process doesn't always end well, despite that. I genuinely don't think that's going to happen in this case, however. I think these people are going to treat Honor and the Honorverse with respect, and they clearly really, really know the characters and the books.

I'll probably be providing occasional, periodic updates on the project as we go along. Obviously, this is just the beginning of what will probably be about a five-year process to actually getting the picture released, assuming that everything goes well. Assuming we're living in the real world, it will probably take just a teeny bit longer than that. [G]

At any rate, the process has started, so far it looks good, and I'm really excited about the prospects.

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I am not, personally, a fan of this series, though I am familiar with it. But I'm sure there are plenty of fans here who will be very interested in this. And I admit, there's a fair chance I'll go see this if it does get made, since there's simply so little space opera in theatres these days and I'm curious as to how they'll adapt the fleet battles to the screen.

Of course, this is still a long way from being a finished film.
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Hopefully they get a decent writer to rewrite it. Though No.1. is probably the easiest one to translate to the big screen.
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I read the first one and thought it was perfect for 12 year olds, so this should be a perfect property to make a movie off of.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:There are other points working in favor of a good outcome, as well. At the same time, clearly this is a very, very early stage in the process, and I'm learning quite a bit already about the nuts and bolts and the decisions that have to be made when you start adapting a novel to film. It is unfortunately true that there have to be cost-benefit trade-offs when you start looking at which characters to keep, which ones might possibly be merged with other characters, what parts of the original plot can be preserved, etc. You only get about 120 pages of script to work with, and that requires some fairly ruthless pragmatism when you start deciding what goes on those pages...
That poor, poor man. He's got length constraints to work with now!

I hope Weber can survive... yeah, he might be very well advised to take on someone else to help him with the scriptwriting.
There are, obviously, certain characters who simply cannot be written out or written around or combined with someone else. In some cases, you actually find yourself having to give a secondary character more screen time because you want an especially good actor or actress to portray that character, and unless they have enough screen time you're not (a) going to be able to attract an actor or actress of the caliber you want or (b) going to be able, within the constraints of your budget, to pay an actor or actress of that caliber. I'm sort of thinking, for example, that Harkness could fall in that category, and possibly Klaus Hauptman. Certainly we need someone really good for MacGuiness, and we need to be thinking about Hamish Alexander for the future. So there's going to have to be some strategic horsetrading where dialogue and screen time are concerned.
Although, honestly, I get the feeling there are a lot of pretty damn good actors in Hollywood who aren't in the top-flight salary range...
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Weber was actually an okay writer before he got protection from editors. I don't know how skillful a scriptwriter he would be, and having another person would be helpful purely for cutting down on pointless exposition.

I honestly can't see more than the 2-3 books even being translatable to the big screen on account of the amount of bloat and convoluted plots. Not that it matters. There will be one Honorverse movie, tops, and I wouldn't be surprised if OBS got stuck in Development Hell.
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I'm shocked it even got this far. I mean. Can you imagine whoever pitched this to the execs?

"Okay, so like. There's this 15-book long series about this space captain. And it's a WOMAN. But it's not a big deal, since it takes place in the future where sexes are super equal. Okay, with me so far? So there's this SPACE WAR that's a lot like the war with Napoleon, or the one before that, only SPACE ENGLAND is ruled by a black lady, and SPACE FRANCE is ruled by welfare liberal spendocrats who later become commie welfare liberal spendocrats. So the Captain HONORABLE HONOR HONORTON and her psychic spider-cat go and have to save Space England's Space India colonial holdings from being torn apart by unruly Space Natives, while she gets revenge on a douche who assaulted her during school."
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There is nothing in the article that says that he will be the scriptwriter. He will be a creative consultant, and will also provide two-way input. The "you" in point 6 about the "120 pages" is doubtless a generic "you".
He wouldn't have time to be a scriptwriter anyway, because of all his novel writing commitments. Also, he is not a trained scriptwriter.
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Uraniun235 wrote:I read the first one and thought it was perfect for 12 year olds, so this should be a perfect property to make a movie off of.
The biggest upside is it can hardly be made any worse; the typical Hollywood changes would arguably improve pacing and reduce verbiage.
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Nephtys wrote:I'm shocked it even got this far. I mean. Can you imagine whoever pitched this to the execs?

"Okay, so like. There's this 15-book long series about this space captain. And it's a WOMAN. But it's not a big deal, since it takes place in the future where sexes are super equal. Okay, with me so far? So there's this SPACE WAR that's a lot like the war with Napoleon, or the one before that, only SPACE ENGLAND is ruled by a black lady, and SPACE FRANCE is ruled by welfare liberal spendocrats who later become commie welfare liberal spendocrats. So the Captain HONORABLE HONOR HONORTON and her psychic spider-cat go and have to save Space England's Space India colonial holdings from being torn apart by unruly Space Natives, while she gets revenge on a douche who assaulted her during school."
Most of that isn't too hard to pitch, I suspect. Its not like their are no action films with female leads. Ditto films/TV shows with black rulers. Their are still racists and sexists in our society but its not like no one will see a film with a black ruler or a female officer as a lead. Most people probably won't care about the Napoleonic-inspired warfare or the protagonist's silly name. The militarist, pro-colonialist, anti-socialist politics will doubtless appeal to a certain right wing neo-conservative demographic, and a lot of people probably won't pay much attention to those things as long as there's a lot of action and special effects and some partial nudity. Though the scene where Spoiler
Honor's troops slaughter the uprising alien natives
will probably be altered or cut to avoid accusations of political incorrectness. The one thing in all that that's really difficult to get around, I think, is the shear length of the series. Its the same damn problem you'd have with trying to adapt The Wheel of Time or The Dresden Files to film. Projects of that scope, I think, are better suited to television.
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Fortunately, On Basilisk Station is quite self-contained, so you don't have to wrap the whole series into one book.
Nephtys wrote:I'm shocked it even got this far. I mean. Can you imagine whoever pitched this to the execs?

"Okay, so like. There's this 15-book long series about this space captain. And it's a WOMAN. But it's not a big deal, since it takes place in the future where sexes are super equal. Okay, with me so far? So there's this SPACE WAR that's a lot like the war with Napoleon, or the one before that, only SPACE ENGLAND is ruled by a black lady, and SPACE FRANCE is ruled by welfare liberal spendocrats who later become commie welfare liberal spendocrats. So the Captain HONORABLE HONOR HONORTON and her psychic spider-cat go and have to save Space England's Space India colonial holdings from being torn apart by unruly Space Natives, while she gets revenge on a douche who assaulted her during school."
From the sound of it, at least some of the execs read the books, Nephtys. That helps with the pitch.

They may also tone down the deliberate Napoleonic Wars references- this wound up happening anyway. Weber never really replicated the context of Napoleonic society or anything. If you want to see that, the way Napoleonic-era characters might actually think and behave in a space opera environment, go read David Drake's Lieutenant Leary series.

Actually, do that anyway, they're better novels, and Leary and his friends are better characters. A lot more three-dimensional, and when Drake writes he can resist the temptation to make his protagonists out to be angels.
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Books getting pitched and optioned to studios happens all the time. Usually it's just extra money for the authors and nothing else ever comes of it. Only a few of them get made into movies. Neuromancer's rights have been out there since the mid 80s, for example
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Imperial Overlord wrote:Books getting pitched and optioned to studios happens all the time. Usually it's just extra money for the authors and nothing else ever comes of it. Only a few of them get made into movies. Neuromancer's rights have been out there since the mid 80s, for example
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Yeah, what we need is more movies about grubby drug addicts having sex in warehouses.

That AREN'T Strange Days or any of dozens of genre 90s films. :lol:
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I demand more movies that depict the bleak lifestyle of drug addicts in a glamourous light :lol:

Not really - I only ever read Neuromancer once and didn't think too much of it to be honest.
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Well I'm glad to see this. It'd never work as a huge series, but just Basilisk Station? i can live with that, it even sounds like fun.

They really need to make a movie of the Black Company.
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The Black Company would work far better as a miniseries, what with it being mostly episodic. It'd basically be "Band of Brothers: Amoral Fantasy Edition".

I'm kind of curious as to how they're going to make the space battles look visually interesting. My money is on the standard space opera shtick of just putting everything really close together and not talking about it.
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Kingmaker wrote:The Black Company would work far better as a miniseries, what with it being mostly episodic. It'd basically be "Band of Brothers: Amoral Fantasy Edition".

I'm kind of curious as to how they're going to make the space battles look visually interesting. My money is on the standard space opera shtick of just putting everything really close together and not talking about it.
I'm thinking the sub movie route. Have someone at a panel cry out the missiles are closing, building tension music, a second person says they're launching counter-missiles, show that, then show the laser clusters picking off a couple missiles right before detonation.
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Hopefully they'll avoid cliche close-up fighting. I'd prefer they just do it as in the books- and don't say it would be boring. We would see the effects on the inside of the ship when the enemy scored a hit. Fireballs ripping through corridors, shrapnel wounds, people being sucked out into space...

In any case, its perfectly possible to film a good space battle without showing the two ships next to each other. I refer you to Star Trek: TOS's Balance of Terror as an excellent example.

If the audience doesn't like it because they expect to see both ships in the same shot, well, fuck them and their cliche, derivative expectations.

One more thing: space should be silent. During scenes inside the ship, there'd be alarms blaring, people screaming, explosions going off... but when they cut to the outside, it should go silent. The contrast would make it all the more dramatic. JJ Abrams did this at one point in the fight between Narada and Kelvin in the new Star Trek film, and I liked it. Here's a link to a clip of the bit in question:

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Seriously, I'd love to see someone film a space battle this way. Realism isn't boring.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:Hopefully they'll avoid cliche close-up fighting. I'd prefer they just do it as in the books- and don't say it would be boring. We would see the effects on the inside of the ship when the enemy scored a hit. Fireballs ripping through corridors, shrapnel wounds, people being sucked out into space...

In any case, its perfectly possible to film a good space battle without showing the two ships next to each other. I refer you to Star Trek: TOS's Balance of Terror as an excellent example.
Nor is that a lost art. You mention the recent Trek film? While the battles may have been pretty close-ranged in some sense, I remember a lot of "exchange fire with only one ship in the frame at a time" events. And they certainly did a good job of keeping the tension up, if you ask me.
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Yes, it would definitely be possible to depict the battles the same way as in the books. That said, I hope they tone down the Napoleonic garbage and don't get bogged down in describing the details of how combat works the way Webber does.
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They're going to have to invest at least a little time explaining the mechanics of space battle for the movie to work. The space battle at the end hinges on it.
Kingmaker wrote:The Black Company would work far better as a miniseries, what with it being mostly episodic. It'd basically be "Band of Brothers: Amoral Fantasy Edition".
Depends on the book. That would work for the first book, but Shadow's Linger, for example, is one long story.
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Aren't there some non-military types in On Basilisk Station? Hopefully they could fulfill the "Stephen Maturin" role - to be there so the military types can deliver their exposition.
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andrewgpaul wrote:Aren't there some non-military types in On Basilisk Station? Hopefully they could fulfill the "Stephen Maturin" role - to be there so the military types can deliver their exposition.
Yes. Of the top of my head the people in charge of the customs station would probably be the most appropriate.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:*snip stuff*
Actually, as far as I know there is sound in space, but it doesn't travel fast enough to be heard over long distances. This means you'll only hear something in space if you're basically right next to it.
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KhorneFlakes wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:*snip stuff*
Actually, as far as I know there is sound in space, but it doesn't travel fast enough to be heard over long distances. This means you'll only hear something in space if you're basically right next to it.
It would amount to the same thing, for film purposes, wouldn't it?
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