Bringing B5 and ST universe to its knee's, weapon of CHOICE

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-03-01 01:50am

For each universe, you are given a task to bring each to its knees for the empire. One at a time of course, however the Emperor is only letting you use a few weapons, so which would you use, you can only use 1, and use it wisely at that. You can use probe droids to scout out each galaxy, in addition to the super weapons.

-Completed Second Deathstar
-Suncrusher
-Galaxy Gun
-25,000 Star Destroyers

You can only use the same option for both universes if you want. I dont think the stardestroyers would be a good choice for the Startrek universe, I wouldn't want the borg or 8472 getting their hands on any dmg'ed ships, or even worse assimilate one.

The deathstar would be nice, but can fall into a trap, suncrusher can only destroy entire systems, so you can't be picky. I think my choice for BOTH universes would be the galaxy gun. Park it 100,000 LY out of the galaxy, out in the void, and fire them in.

What do you people think?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-03-01 01:52am

25,000 ISD's could wipe out 25,000 worlds in less than one day. They couldn't SHATTER them, but that's unnecessary. The ability to distribute their destructive payload across such a broad range of targets makes them the most destructive force in terms of killing power per day.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-03-01 01:56am

Like Mr.wong stated, 25,000 ISDs can cause more collective damage than any one DS, Sun crusher or Galaxy Gun.

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-03-01 01:59am

This is basically a 'which scifi is the bigger technowank' thread. Well I can answer that. SW ownzoxxors with any of these ships. Hell a single ISD could probably wipe the floor with both universes.

What does the galaxy gun fire? Hyperspatial missles that cause uber explosions, or is it a really really fast 'laser?'

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2003-03-01 05:40am

The Second Death Star, why, I would have more fun that way. Yes the fleet of Stardestroyer would get things done quicker, but where is the fun in that? I would want then begging and pleaing before I zapped the planet, or letting them think they have more of a chance.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-03-01 09:37am

25,000 ISD's. The Borg and Species 8472 probably wouldn't even be able to damage them, and even if they could eventually harm the Imperials, the Empire could freely disengage.

Brian Young · Post by **Brian Young** » 2003-03-01 10:15am

You don't need any of those useless wastes of resources.
Vader's fleet of 5 ISDs and Executor would make very quick work of everyone in Star Trek. Except species insert numbers. Their home isn't in this dimension, so it would be impossible to destroy their homeworld. But even if they were involved, they would be only a nuissance. Their weapons had a bit of trouble penetrating Voyager's shields.
Vader's fleet would also make quick work of everyone in B5.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-03-01 10:22am

I would take the 25.000 ISD and pulverise the Star Trek universe,and brind the Babylon 5 universe to the right side

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2003-03-03 11:02am

For B5, I wouldn't even need that much, just give me the Executor. I would destroy the Vorlon homeworld. That would convince everyone else to fall into line.

For ST, I would obliterate Earth with a BDZ. If there was still resistence, Vulcan would be next. After that, Qo'nos. If there was still resistance, Romulus would be next.

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-03-04 02:48am

I would use the galaxy gun, there is absolutely no threat at all. Even if there was complete power failure for some strange reason, you are 100,000 LY or so outside the galaxy, nothing is going to get out that far. As for the others, they are close, so if they suffer a problem, there could be some trouble

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-03-04 01:21pm

SyntaxVorlon wrote:This is basically a 'which scifi is the bigger technowank' thread. Well I can answer that. SW ownzoxxors with any of these ships. Hell a single ISD could probably wipe the floor with both universes.

You're just jealous because you have to resort to unseen mythical uber-races from a game in order to pretend that B5 has a chance.

What does the galaxy gun fire? Hyperspatial missles that cause uber explosions, or is it a really really fast 'laser?'

Huge missiles the size of a small starship. It can fire them across galactic ranges, and the missiles destroy a whole planet through some kind of ultra-powered NDF-style reaction. It also seems to have the ability to penetrate planetary shields, although I'm not sure how. A much different approach than the Death Star's brute-force method, although I prefer the Death Star for many reasons. Relying on a chain reaction is dangerous; if a planet could shoot down the missile as it comes out of hyperspace or build a shield which it can't punch through, then it becomes immune to the Galaxy Gun. The Death Star, on the other hand, just uses raw power and there's no countermeasure.

Akm72 · Post by **Akm72** » 2003-03-04 02:00pm

Darth Wong wrote:The Death Star, on the other hand, just uses raw power and there's no countermeasure.

Except a planetary shield strong enough to withstand that level of firepower I guess

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-03-04 02:07pm

The Galaxy Gun is nice and the added effect of it essentially being the equivalent of a submerged SSN launching Tomahawks at unsuspecting foes is cool, but I would prefer 25,000 ISDs too since they could attack all targets required and do so quicker than the other options.

The Sun Crusher is wasteful since it takes care of entire systems that could otherwise be exploited and tech that could be assimilated.

The Death Star was a psychological weapon, to me it has little if any real strategic usefulness in this conquest unless everyone dropped their weapons as a planet was popped (doubtful).

Personally, I always like the idea of breaking down the organisations from the inside using agents, much like Special Circumstances would, I'd simply crumble their gov'ts before they knew what was going on. I mean, look at the Clark era in B5 or the quarrels between the UFP and others.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-03-04 02:08pm

Darth Wong wrote: You're just jealous because you have to resort to unseen mythical uber-races from a game in order to pretend that B5 has a chance.

Thats just for certain segments and is largely due to fabrication.

The usual tactic is that the FO's dont even need to use planets and can hide in specially constructed hidden "bases" where they can crank out many Planetkillers a day by fabricating the matter from pure energy. The SW forces wont be able to find them and destroying/BDZ'ing the planets won't affect their production. The FO's will then resort to the B5 equivalent of "warp strafing" to win (usually accompanying claims about jump point tactics or bonehead manuvers or "hyper-phasing" a planetkiller either under planetary shields or inside X Imperial superweapon and destroying it from the inside.)

Geez Mike, I would have thought you would have seen the truth by now

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2003-03-04 02:19pm

25,000 ISDs is the best choice. It offers the most flexibility ranging from invasions of planets to outright destrustion.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-03-04 02:43pm

DS2. If even only for psycological value. Think about it....if something the size of Austrailia dropped out of hyperspace, blew up a heavily defended planet with one shot and goes back from whence it came without batting an eyelash, it would be a crushing blow for morale to say the least.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-03-04 03:50pm

The ISDs because I would be able to deal with a lot of targets at once.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-03-04 09:37pm

a GAADRA or a GAAHFA could chunk any galaxy beneath wars tech level in under an hour.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-03-05 03:01am

Col. Crackpot wrote:DS2. If even only for psycological value. Think about it....if something the size of Austrailia dropped out of hyperspace, blew up a heavily defended planet with one shot and goes back from whence it came without batting an eyelash, it would be a crushing blow for morale to say the least.

The quantity factor of 25000 ISD's is just as good as this too.

FOOM!!! I can wipe out 3 civilisations in B5 in one day with this kind of firepower, and still have a military day for the rest of the races.

"...Step right up and see this masssive ISD, which can crush your pathetic planet in hors..."

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-03-05 03:27am

Wait, is the goal total destruction or just crippling? Either way I'd take 25,000 ISD's. All options are overkill, though the eleven missile load would be limiting.

The defensive lasers on Galaxy gun missile alone could probably damage and destroy significant ships in both universes..

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-03-05 03:33am

hmmmm what about transmitting Janeway-Jabba porn?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-03-05 01:01pm

Typhonis 1 wrote:hmmmm what about transmitting Janeway-Jabba porn?

um, saddam hussien called. he said to tell you that even he finds the use of janeway jabba porn as a weapon morally wrong.

VadimC · Post by **VadimC** » 2003-03-11 05:34pm

Can i have a mantrid drone? just give me one, and i'll take out B5, ST, AND SW.

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2003-03-11 07:19pm

I would take the death star. I think it would be more fun. Blowing up a random planet, then let everyone live in fear for a couple of days and strike again.

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2003-03-11 08:35pm

I'd take the DS, siply to show everybody else what a real Planet Killer can do.