Viability of anarchocapitalism

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Re: Viability of anarchocapitalism

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CrateriaA wrote:
Stas Bush wrote: Right-wing anarchists can do that too, if they openly acknowledge they are going to rely on corporations and allow corporations to dominate the society, creating an alternate mechanism to ensure stability. However, they're so high on their "we're anti-corporatist! corporations are evil manifestations of the state!" horse that they basically squander their only strong argument: that corporations as huge hierarchical structures can replace the nation-state and its various branches.
Indeed. It makes me wonder though. Had corporations far less incentive to screw over their workers for profit and/or mass production, how might an anarcho-capitalist society that revolved around them exist?
You don't need to make the corporations more benigh, just as you don't need the government to be benigh to function. Ancap society with corporations running it would look like an oligarchy, except without a formal "power" - they'd be ruled by the leaders of the corporations who would bicker and struggle among themselves. Corporations would provide their more reliable and necessary workers with healthcare, housing, access to luxuries. Proles would be expendable and live in shit conditions, but that has never been a problem and did not automatically render a society dysfunctional.

What is scary about anarcho-capitalism is not how "crazy" it is, oh no. It is the fact that it is more or less workable, except not in the way anarcho-capitalists like to imagine or talk about it in their propaganda.

Corporations would take care of law enforcement as well; of course, this would mean a certain problem, and a lot of areas except corporate property protection won't be really cared about at all (like I said, more valuable workers would be protected as "corporate property" which in an ancap world they indeed are). So law enforcement would shrink to the dream of libertarian philosophers: protection of private property. Except of course with a caveat: the private property would be protected according to one's buying power. Megacorporations, rich shareholders, managers, skilled staff would see to the protection of their property very well. The rest - not so much, because they wouldn't be able to afford the "services" of such protection. Retirement will be a problem for many, except the rich/skilled.

I am not sure an anarcho-capitalist system with corporations is going to "fail" - it will work. It will be ugly and repugnant, for a person like me, but it is pretty clear that corporations can replace the government. They have enough resources.
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Do you people even understand what the fuck a Corporation is? It is a legal shield granted by a STATE. If there is no State, there cannot be limited liability.
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BrooklynRedLeg wrote::sigh:

Do you people even understand what the fuck a Corporation is? It is a legal shield granted by a STATE. If there is no State, there cannot be limited liability.

Yes idiot. And it is irrelevant. We use the word corporation because it is the word we know. In practice, a corporation in an anarchistic society would have "limited liability" in the sense that they would have "security contractors" to enforce their "limited liability". They could, for example, be producing industrial chemicals and cut corners on safety. When a leak happens and 5000 people are killed, there is no law so they cannot be sued, and violent redress can and will be fought off by their "security contractors", leaving their liability for the murders of 5000 people limited indeed. Leaving out the concept that the notion of civil or criminal liability just wont exist.

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Stas Bush wrote:
CrateriaA wrote:
Indeed. It makes me wonder though. Had corporations far less incentive to screw over their workers for profit and/or mass production, how might an anarcho-capitalist society that revolved around them exist?
You don't need to make the corporations more benigh, just as you don't need the government to be benigh to function. Ancap society with corporations running it would look like an oligarchy, except without a formal "power" - they'd be ruled by the leaders of the corporations who would bicker and struggle among themselves. Corporations would provide their more reliable and necessary workers with healthcare, housing, access to luxuries. Proles would be expendable and live in shit conditions, but that has never been a problem and did not automatically render a society dysfunctional.

What is scary about anarcho-capitalism is not how "crazy" it is, oh no. It is the fact that it is more or less workable, except not in the way anarcho-capitalists like to imagine or talk about it in their propaganda.

Corporations would take care of law enforcement as well; of course, this would mean a certain problem, and a lot of areas except corporate property protection won't be really cared about at all (like I said, more valuable workers would be protected as "corporate property" which in an ancap world they indeed are). So law enforcement would shrink to the dream of libertarian philosophers: protection of private property. Except of course with a caveat: the private property would be protected according to one's buying power. Megacorporations, rich shareholders, managers, skilled staff would see to the protection of their property very well. The rest - not so much, because they wouldn't be able to afford the "services" of such protection. Retirement will be a problem for many, except the rich/skilled.

I am not sure an anarcho-capitalist system with corporations is going to "fail" - it will work. It will be ugly and repugnant, for a person like me, but it is pretty clear that corporations can replace the government. They have enough resources.
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BrooklynRedLeg wrote::sigh:

Do you people even understand what the fuck a Corporation is? It is a legal shield granted by a STATE. If there is no State, there cannot be limited liability.
Corporations exist even in Somalia, which is pretty much as lawless as you can get. "Limited liability" will be enforced by contractors if there is enough property to protect. Contractors which you hire just like every other hired goon.

You can't really "sue" a Somalian company for something either because if you do, a party van of their favorite contractors comes in and tells you to shut the fuck up.

Yes, it is a corrupt system but it functions. Corporations work in places where "liability" means nothing and law is nonexistent. That puts to rest the myth that "corporations" wouldn't exist if the government would not.

You could argue that oligopolies wouldn't exist but that's fucking bullshit. Somalia's telecom market (which anarchists have been drooling over, well, before the famine started killing Somalians in the hundreds of thousands recently) is controlled by an oligopoly of three. They have even set up a joint internet service, meaning they are the perfect defition of a cartel.

Note how all of this occured without any government interference in perfect anarchy. Tell me again how bodies corporate are not going to "survive" without a government? Do tell? :lol:
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The companies of Somalia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... of_Somalia

You have Dahabshiil, a money transfer company although it is now based in Dubai.
Golis Telecom Somalia, which offers the cheapest international calling rates in the world.
Most of the companies on the list are telecom, media and airlines, which makes sense- you can't import them and it is difficult to do them on a small scale.

Heck, the pirates there even have a stock exchange!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/12/ ... 01?sp=true
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