The House on Tuesday passed a non-binding resolution reaffirming "In God We Trust" as the national motto.
The measure sponsored by Rep. Randy Forbes, R-Va., supports and encourages the motto's display in all public schools and government buildings. It was approved 396-9, with 2 abstentions.
Forbes said the resolution was needed because President Obama had once called "E pluribus unum" the national motto, and the Latin phrase meaning "from many one" was engraved in the new Capitol Visitors Center until Congress ordered that it be corrected.
Great work, guys! Obviously this pissing contest that is a DIRECT FUCKING CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATION is far more important than Obama's silly little jobs bill.
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On the more petty side, the Republicans violated the rules they created and said they'd follow about no more "useless, time-wasting non-binding resolutions." If memory serves the only time they've actually "followed" this rule is when they refused to make a resolution recognizing Pres. Obama and the other's involved in the death of Osama Bin Laden.
If it said "One nation under Allah" there would be an instant screaming shitfit from the right, left, and center. Lets not kid ourselves: the phrase is intended to refer to the Christian god, always has, always will. Only Christians have the arrogance to refer to God with the generic noun (like I just did there), rather than name a specific deity.
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eion wrote:On the more petty side, the Republicans violated the rules they created and said they'd follow about no more "useless, time-wasting non-binding resolutions." If memory serves the only time they've actually "followed" this rule is when they refused to make a resolution recognizing Pres. Obama and the other's involved in the death of Osama Bin Laden.
Formless wrote:If it said "One nation under Allah" there would be an instant screaming shitfit from the right, left, and center. Lets not kid ourselves: the phrase is intended to refer to the Christian god, always has, always will. Only Christians have the arrogance to refer to God with the generic noun (like I just did there), rather than name a specific deity.
Nitpick: Allah is simply the Arabic word for 'God'; Arabic-speaking Christians will say that they worship Allah. So it's not only Christians that 'have the arrogance to use the generic noun'.
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That may technically be true, but then again like you noticed they tend to use the Arabic word even when speaking English. People clearly understand that Allah is the Islamic deity, God indicates the Christian concept. I say the Christian use is arrogant because they make no effort to make such distinctions. They just expect that if they refer to god you will understand there is only one god-- their God. Muslims might believe the same, but they don't play linguistic games to make that point.
Come to think, how do they refer to the Christian or Jewish god concepts when speaking arabic? Does anyone know? Or do they just call him Allah too, because he's supposed to be the same deity in Islam? If so, that makes it doubly ironic that there would almost certainly be outrage if we re-worded the national motto.
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Formless wrote:Come to think, how do they refer to the Christian or Jewish god concepts when speaking arabic? Does anyone know? Or do they just call him Allah too, because he's supposed to be the same deity in Islam? If so, that makes it doubly ironic that there would almost certainly be outrage if we re-worded the national motto.
fgalkin wrote:Technically, they're right. "In God We Trust" has been the official motto of the United States since 1956.
Yes, and they spent $215,000 pointlessly shoving Obama's nose in it.
Destructionator XIII wrote:Where's the direct fucking constitutional violation? The courts have upheld this, and similar, phrases over and over again as not being an establishment of religion nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
But it creates a de facto establishment of religion.
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Destructionator XIII wrote:Where's the direct fucking constitutional violation? The courts have upheld this, and similar, phrases over and over again as not being an establishment of religion nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
But it creates a de facto establishment of religion.
Actually, it does not. Non-binding resolutions have no force in law. They are a statement on the sentiments of the legislature at a particular moment in time but are not enforceable as legal code. That it was indeed a waste of time and taxpayer money to make Obama look even worse to a red-meat GOP voter base that already has long ago dismissed him as a foreign-born vegan Islamocommunist is knee-jerk reactionary behaviour and simply pathetic.
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eion wrote:On the more petty side, the Republicans violated the rules they created and said they'd follow about no more "useless, time-wasting non-binding resolutions." If memory serves the only time they've actually "followed" this rule is when they refused to make a resolution recognizing Pres. Obama and the other's involved in the death of Osama Bin Laden.
Destructionator XIII wrote:Where's the direct fucking constitutional violation? The courts have upheld this, and similar, phrases over and over again as not being an establishment of religion nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
But it creates a de facto establishment of religion.
Actually, it does not. Non-binding resolutions have no force in law. They are a statement on the sentiments of the legislature at a particular moment in time but are not enforceable as legal code. That it was indeed a waste of time and taxpayer money to make Obama look even worse to a red-meat GOP voter base that already has long ago dismissed him as a foreign-born vegan Islamocommunist is knee-jerk reactionary behaviour and simply pathetic.
While this may have no real standing, the original law clearly violates the first amendment. Just because the courts uphold it doesn't mean a thing. Dread Scott anyone?
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Thank God. With the motto defended, the godless commie horde is held back another day. Surely, we will win this Cold War.
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Formless wrote:That may technically be true, but then again like you noticed they tend to use the Arabic word even when speaking English. People clearly understand that Allah is the Islamic deity, God indicates the Christian concept. I say the Christian use is arrogant because they make no effort to make such distinctions. They just expect that if they refer to god you will understand there is only one god-- their God. Muslims might believe the same, but they don't play linguistic games to make that point.
Come to think, how do they refer to the Christian or Jewish god concepts when speaking arabic? Does anyone know? Or do they just call him Allah too, because he's supposed to be the same deity in Islam? If so, that makes it doubly ironic that there would almost certainly be outrage if we re-worded the national motto.
All the Arab Christians and Egyptian Christians I know say God in English and Allah in Arabic. How does that fit in your scheme?
Formless wrote:That may technically be true, but then again like you noticed they tend to use the Arabic word even when speaking English. People clearly understand that Allah is the Islamic deity, God indicates the Christian concept. I say the Christian use is arrogant because they make no effort to make such distinctions. They just expect that if they refer to god you will understand there is only one god-- their God. Muslims might believe the same, but they don't play linguistic games to make that point.
Come to think, how do they refer to the Christian or Jewish god concepts when speaking arabic? Does anyone know? Or do they just call him Allah too, because he's supposed to be the same deity in Islam? If so, that makes it doubly ironic that there would almost certainly be outrage if we re-worded the national motto.
All the Arab Christians and Egyptian Christians I know say God in English and Allah in Arabic. How does that fit in your scheme?
It is time for an experiment. Walk up to an american christian and start talking about God, but dont describe their deity. Talk about a deity with properties and legends not the same as the christian God. Make them up, or pull from a different religion. Start general, and then Deviate. See their reaction.
What is your hypothesis for how they will react? Will they object to their noun being used? I think so.
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Then do this with literally any other religion and what you will discover is that people will likely start being confused and irritated until they understand you're not talking about the same entity. Congratulations, you've been an obtuse jerk for the fun of it.
