Really unfortunate, isn't it?Google removes 'paedophile' claim on review website
By Claire Marshall
BBC News Midlands correspondent
Toni Bennett said he tried for months to get Google to remove the allegations
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A business owner accused in a Google review of being a paedophile and a thief has said he is delighted that the search giant has removed the entry.
The message was placed on Google's Places review service 18 months ago.
Toni Bennett said he had planned legal action to force Google to delete the false posting after the firm said it did not qualify for removal.
The move comes amid calls on the internet giant to address the rapidly growing problem of fake online reviews.
Online reputation consultants say Google should review its policies and take part in an "honest web summit".
Accusation
A comment by "Paul" was posted on Google's site about Mr Bennett's business - That Computer Chap - on 26 April 2010.
A few days later, Mr Bennett saw it while checking his listings.
"I had to re-read it a few times, to check it was talking about me," he told the BBC.
"I was absolutely gobsmacked."
The review said: "Robbed My RAM and Touched 9 Year Old What a scam artist, he stole RAM from my computer and replaced it with smaller chips hoping I wouldnt notice and also I later found out touched my 9 year old inappropriately. A Violator and a rogue trader. DO NOT DO TRADE WITH THIS MAN!"
Mr Bennett contacted Google on numerous occasions through email.
The IT consultant, from Bridgnorth in the West Midlands, said that he asked a directory assistance service for a contact number, but when he called it no-one answered.
He went to the police, but he said that while they acknowledged the allegations against him were false, they were powerless to intervene.
"It's mad, it's just mad that someone can do this and it's so anonymous that someone can put on something about a crime against a child - you can't get any worse than that, bar killing somebody. And they can get away with it."
Legal action
Mr Bennett estimated that he has lost 80% of his local business. As a result, he said he had intended to sue Google for defamation.
Google told the BBC that it did not comment on individual cases.
"We have rules against things like hate speech or impersonation, but we're not in a position to arbitrate disputes," a company statement said.
"However, we've built a free system that allows business owners to claim their listing, which means that they can then respond to reviews and share their side of the story."
However, the company later removed the posting. It told the BBC that from time to time it re-reviews comments flagged as inappropriate.
Reputation
Chris Emmins set up Kwikchex eight months ago.
The firm offers businesses and consumers help tackling inaccurate feedback posted online and other reputation issues. It is part of a growing industry.
So far Kwikcheck said it had dealt with 3,000 cases of online defamation. Mr Emmins added that it was possible to sabotage a business within five minutes, and that the problem was widespread.
"I think of all the review resources we're looking at at the moment, we are particularly critical of Google," he said.
"You can't really trust anything. There is no verification process whatsoever... There is no easy way of having falsehoods removed."
It is difficult to know how many review sites there are on the web.
From Tripadvisor and badtattoos.com to yetanotherreviewsite.co.uk, tens of thousands spring up every year.
Mr Emmins wants the internet firms to take more responsibility for their content.
He called for Google, Tripadvisor and other review sites to get together for an "honest web summit."
A change in the law could be needed. The relevant statutes were drafted back in the 1990s, when review sites didn't even exist.
"Freedom of speech is a fantastically valuable thing," Mr Emmins said, "but at the moment it's being corrupted entirely... through lack of diligence and possibly lack of ethics."
"The resolutions aren't that difficult."
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From BBC, a look at a disturbing trend that is on the rise on the internet right now:
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Before I answer your question, I want you to state your position and give an argument to defend it. You have said essentially nothing and then asked people to agree with you.SpaceMarine93 wrote:From BBC, a look at a disturbing trend that is on the rise on the internet right now:
Really unfortunate, isn't it?
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Re: Google removes 'paedophile' claim on review website
his position is that 'it's unfortunate, isn't it?'
as in 'it's not a good thing, but I can't see anyway around it.'
possibly with 'any suggestions' implicitly tagged on. A lot of people post OP's without comment. It's the talking point for the thread, not laying out the OPs argument.
About the only thing I can see would be suing 'paul' for defamation and lost business. and then you need to find out who 'paul' was...
as in 'it's not a good thing, but I can't see anyway around it.'
possibly with 'any suggestions' implicitly tagged on. A lot of people post OP's without comment. It's the talking point for the thread, not laying out the OPs argument.
About the only thing I can see would be suing 'paul' for defamation and lost business. and then you need to find out who 'paul' was...
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Problem is, I'm not sure what he thinks is unfortunate.
Is it unfortunate that Google can be convinced to remove bullshit reviews which accuse you of being a pedophile and ruin your business? Not at all, unless you're a goddamn moron who likes wrecking people's lives for momentary giggles.
Is it unfortunate that people do post that kind of review? Yes.
Is it unfortunate that Google can be convinced to remove bullshit reviews which accuse you of being a pedophile and ruin your business? Not at all, unless you're a goddamn moron who likes wrecking people's lives for momentary giggles.
Is it unfortunate that people do post that kind of review? Yes.
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i thought it was unfortunate it took so long, and seems to have been google independently reviewing the flagged comment, not as a result of his complaints.
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It's unfortunate that the poor guy could be put out of business through no fault of his own, and morons believe everything they read on the internet, If he did indeed touch a nine year old why did "Paul" not call the police?
I hope the shitlick gets hunted down.
I hope the shitlick gets hunted down.
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Don't strain yourself puffing out your chest like that.Eulogy wrote:I hope the shitlick gets hunted down.
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Haha, still got it Dalton.
A local tourism operator down here whose ferry cruise business has been figuratively sinking called for the Tourism Industry Council to get Trip Advisor banned after negative reviews which he felt were unfair. His argument was essentially that it wasn't sporting to allow customers to publicly have a say. Strangely, his views coincide with ebay, but I suppose the illustration here is of the other side of the coin.
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tim31 wrote:His argument was essentially that it wasn't sporting to allow customers to publicly have a say.
Customers are going to have their public say whether or not the business owners like it, or think it sporting; thus it is more or less futile to try and prevent word of mouth. Why does he think the reviews are not fair? Does he really think he's being slandered, or is he just being petulant?
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Isn't there a site out there that actively hunts for negative reviews and finds ways to get them deleted? That kinda creeps me out, that you can pay to have legit reviews deleted.
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Fake reviews are sadly just part of the internet and anonymity. I suspect less extreme cases being part of the problem too.
For example, what's stopping a company from hiring someone to go out and write false reviews on sites like Amazon? Reviews that essentially give highest score possible but only say the same thing as a marketing browsure does.
For example, what's stopping a company from hiring someone to go out and write false reviews on sites like Amazon? Reviews that essentially give highest score possible but only say the same thing as a marketing browsure does.
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Reputation.com specializes in this. They sponsor NPR and their sponsorship spot tends to air right after Angie's List. It creeps me out too.Block wrote:Isn't there a site out there that actively hunts for negative reviews and finds ways to get them deleted? That kinda creeps me out, that you can pay to have legit reviews deleted.
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Yeah, that's who I was thinking of. I get wanting to get rid of fake reviews, but if you get a legit negative, that's your fault, not the internet's/Rogue 9 wrote:Reputation.com specializes in this. They sponsor NPR and their sponsorship spot tends to air right after Angie's List. It creeps me out too.Block wrote:Isn't there a site out there that actively hunts for negative reviews and finds ways to get them deleted? That kinda creeps me out, that you can pay to have legit reviews deleted.