The Borg To Appear On 'Enterprise'!!!

Setesh · Post by **Setesh** » 2003-02-25 02:41pm

At the moment she wants control, she apparently still believes trek is worthwhile but needs to be run by someone with a clue.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-02-25 02:48pm

George Takai and Scott Backula are who now?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-02-25 03:07pm

Mr Bean wrote:George Takai and Scott Backula are who now?

Sulu from TOS and Archer from Enterprise (or Sam Beckett from Quantum Leap as I prefer to think of him).

I would recommend that people go here http://www.tvguide.com/features/startrek/index.asp not only does it show the decline in trek has been noticed by those not inside the Scifi Geek realm but you could also submit your ideas for saving trek.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-02-25 05:12pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Dark Primus wrote:George Lucas would never lower Star Wars to this kind of level B&B have done to Star Trek.
However, I dread the day that Lucas kicks the bucket. Whoever inherits the franchise will certainly turn it into the spin-off circus that Trek has become.

George Lucas will probably freeze the Franchise in his will so that this won't happen. The thing is that Berman claimes that Gene turn Star Trek over to him and so what he does is with the creators blessing

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-25 05:23pm

Isolder74 wrote:George Lucas will probably freeze the Franchise in his will so that this won't happen.

Fuck, does that mean no more EU? Crap! It had better not, or Star Wars dies with Lucas.

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2003-02-25 08:39pm

So the question is, if it comes down to more EU with a similar decline in quality to what B&B have done to Trek, or Star Wars dying with Lucas, what's your call?

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-02-25 08:40pm

Raoul Duke, Jr. wrote:
Setesh wrote:A little bird has told me that Majel Rodenberry is on the warpath about B&B complete fuckup. She's trying to regain the rights to star trek (backed up by PatrickStewert, Jonathan Frakes, and of all people Scott Backula) so she can salvage it.
Fucking A! About time somebody in an effective position did something about those fuckwits. I'm a little surprised Bakula put his lot in, though; after all, if Mrs. Roddenberry is faced with the option of letting those fuckers run or killing Trek completely, I'm guessing she'd choose the latter option, and Bakula would be out of a job.

Not necessarily. Paramount might be convinced to let B&B go in favor of new blood, but I personally doubt they could be convinced to up and *drop* a show into which they've invested a chunk of cash for advertising, sets, and merchandise.

If this were to succeed in any form (which I unfortunately don't see happening) it would probably be in the form of B&B being overseen by someone to ensure quality on Enterprise, while new blood completely takes over the feature films.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2003-03-04 08:22pm

The Only logical way this can ever work is to have a Borg Sphere go back in time to destroy Enterprise, probably from the 25th-26th century. Have a new Enterprise F follow them in and try to avert further contamination of the past.

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2003-03-04 09:26pm

THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:The Only logical way this can ever work is to have a Borg Sphere go back in time to destroy Enterprise, probably from the 25th-26th century. Have a new Enterprise F follow them in and try to avert further contamination of the past.

Shhhh...... Dont give them any ideas.

el blanco · Post by **el blanco** » 2003-03-04 10:18pm

I don't watch that often, but most of my friends who aren't scifi fans actually love it.

Anyway, what would stop the government from keeping it confidential? Then burrying it and forgetting? Wouldn't be unprecedented.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-03-04 10:20pm

el blanco wrote:Anyway, what would stop the government from keeping it confidential? Then burrying it and forgetting? Wouldn't be unprecedented.

The Borg sphere would've been COMPLETLEY INCINERATED in Earth's atmosphere. There wouldn't be anything left to bury.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-03-04 10:30pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:
el blanco wrote:Anyway, what would stop the government from keeping it confidential? Then burrying it and forgetting? Wouldn't be unprecedented.
The Borg sphere would've been COMPLETLEY INCINERATED in Earth's atmosphere. There wouldn't be anything left to bury.

There could be. Remember this is Trek science. Where event horizons have cracks and you can extrapolate the path of evolution.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-03-04 10:35pm

neoolong wrote:There could be. Remember this is Trek science. Where event horizons have cracks and you can extrapolate the path of evolution.

*Thwaps Technobabble* Quiet you!

I really don't see how you can explain thousands of tiny ass shards all blown to hell are supposed to survive re-entry, much less with living Borg drones! Fuck there shouldn't even be corpses.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-03-04 10:47pm

Setesh wrote:A little bird has told me that Majel Rodenberry is on the warpath about B&B complete fuckup. She's trying to regain the rights to star trek (backed up by PatrickStewert, Jonathan Frakes, and of all people Scott Backula) so she can salvage it.

Well it's about bloody time. I'm surprised Bakula's helping her out, but I guess I owe him more respect than I've shown him in the past, seeing as how he recognizes that something is wrong, now.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-03-05 12:04am

I sincerely doubt Bakula is involved with this (if it's even happening and not just a hopeful rumor). That would be the equivilant of pubically going to the CEO and trying to get your boss fired. Stewart and Frakes could probably get away with it (rumor has it Frakes is pissed that TPTB kept meddling in "Insurrection", and it's not like they're going to fire Captain Picard), but how hard would it be for B&B to kill off Captain Archer and then blame Bakula for the show's dismal ratings when asked to explain?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-03-05 08:24am

el blanco wrote:I don't watch that often, but most of my friends who aren't scifi fans actually love it.

Anyway, what would stop the government from keeping it confidential? Then burrying it and forgetting? Wouldn't be unprecedented.

There are no organised govts around, only 'factions' example the eastern coalition.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-03-05 05:46pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Setesh wrote:A little bird has told me that Majel Rodenberry is on the warpath about B&B complete fuckup. She's trying to regain the rights to star trek (backed up by PatrickStewert, Jonathan Frakes, and of all people Scott Backula) so she can salvage it.
Well it's about bloody time. I'm surprised Bakula's helping her out, but I guess I owe him more respect than I've shown him in the past, seeing as how he recognizes that something is wrong, now.

The question is if the fans will return if B&B are removed. I still am having trouble understanding why Paramount won't remove B&B after Nemisis and the fall in Ent.'s rating? It just doesn't make sence. They know they are losing money and that they can salvage the franchise if they get some good people.

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2003-03-05 08:26pm

Admiral Johnason wrote: The question is if the fans will return if B&B are removed. I still am having trouble understanding why Paramount won't remove B&B after Nemisis and the fall in Ent.'s rating? It just doesn't make sence. They know they are losing money and that they can salvage the franchise if they get some good people.

Its simple really, B&B have access to Paramounts execs, the fans dont. The execs probably believe that B&B are the best people to relate to the fan base, because they are in charge of it. So everything Paramount knows reguarding the state of the fan-base comes from those two. So its easy for them to make up excuses to explain why Trek isnt doing to well.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-03-06 06:36pm

Those sick bastards.