Aww, ain't that so cute! (Aircraft Carriers)
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Aww, ain't that so cute! (Aircraft Carriers)
The Nimitz (I think) next to a British carrier:
What's her bust size!?
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Gah, what a beautiful, beautiful machine. THAT is how my tax dollars should be spent.
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Re: Aww, ain't that so cute! (Aircraft Carriers)
Correction, Nimitz next to Helicopter cruiser with idea's above its station.Shinova wrote:The Nimitz (I think) next to a British carrier:
"Do you know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I get and beat you with, until you understand whose in f***ing command here!" Jayne : Firefly
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Re: Aww, ain't that so cute! (Aircraft Carriers)
Here, for the first time, we see a Nimitz herding its calf out into the deeper waters, where with luck it will grow to become an adult Carrier.
"Do you know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I get and beat you with, until you understand whose in f***ing command here!" Jayne : Firefly
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One day son, when you grow up, all this will be yours.
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They got through the budget at the time of building by being classified as Helicopter Cruisers. The fact that the Government then had the balls to try and pass them off as Aircraft Carriers just staggers the mind. The USMC has Support craft that are bigger than these and carry more aircraft (and 1000+ Marines and their equipment). That piddling little thing is not a Carrier! It's an embarrassment.Shinova wrote:IG-88E wrote:<snip>
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To Rob: The small one's not a carrier?
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Well the orginal design would have carried Exocets and Seawolf as well. Much more of a cruiser then the Sea Dart only that got fitted. Bad sign when your carrier needs an area defence missile system because its fighters cant do the job.Rob Wilson wrote:They got through the budget at the time of building by being classified as Helicopter Cruisers. The fact that the Government then had the balls to try and pass them off as Aircraft Carriers just staggers the mind. The USMC has Support craft that are bigger than these and carry more aircraft (and 1000+ Marines and their equipment). That piddling little thing is not a Carrier! It's an embarrassment.Shinova wrote:IG-88E wrote:<snip>
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To Rob: The small one's not a carrier?
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Thank god it's being replaced, though I'm hearing a lot of talk that even these new ones are gradually having their teeth drawn during the building as well.Sea Skimmer wrote:Rob Wilson wrote: Well the orginal design would have carried Exocets and Seawolf as well. Much more of a cruiser then the Sea Dart only that got fitted. Bad sign when your carrier needs an area defence missile system because its fighters cant do the job.
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Well all hope for a third one is dead, and the air groups may be shrinking. But overall they seem okay. While a contract has been awarded, I wouldn't be surprised if a future government canceled one of them as happened to the French navy.Rob Wilson wrote:Sea Skimmer wrote:Thank god it's being replaced, though I'm hearing a lot of talk that even these new ones are gradually having their teeth drawn during the building as well.Rob Wilson wrote: Well the orginal design would have carried Exocets and Seawolf as well. Much more of a cruiser then the Sea Dart only that got fitted. Bad sign when your carrier needs an area defence missile system because its fighters cant do the job.
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Apparently they'll be initially fitted for STOVL operations and catapults installed later, turning it into a CTOL carrier.Rob Wilson wrote:Thank god it's being replaced, though I'm hearing a lot of talk that even these new ones are gradually having their teeth drawn during the building as well.Sea Skimmer wrote:Well the orginal design would have carried Exocets and Seawolf as well. Much more of a cruiser then the Sea Dart only that got fitted. Bad sign when your carrier needs an area defence missile system because its fighters cant do the job.
Didn't they rip out the Sea Dart launcher (since the later Sea Harriers could carry the AMRAAM...except the GR9 is now replacing the FRS2)Sea Skimmer wrote:Well the orginal design would have carried Exocets and Seawolf as well. Much more of a cruiser then the Sea Dart only that got fitted. Bad sign when your carrier needs an area defence missile system because its fighters cant do the job.
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They are not only spliting the contracts between britih and foriegn builders, they have reduced the overall budget per ship. Plus only having two means longer endurance patrols per vessel, or times when there won't be a vessel at sea, add to that the reduced Airgroup per ship and Crew shrinkages as well and these things are looking ready to cause headaches rather than pride for the RN.Sea Skimmer wrote:Well all hope for a third one is dead, and the air groups may be shrinking. But overall they seem okay. While a contract has been awarded, I wouldn't be surprised if a future government canceled one of them as happened to the French navy.Rob Wilson wrote:
Thank god it's being replaced, though I'm hearing a lot of talk that even these new ones are gradually having their teeth drawn during the building as well.
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One proposal for the next LHD has it larger than even your newly-designed carriersRob Wilson wrote:They got through the budget at the time of building by being classified as Helicopter Cruisers. The fact that the Government then had the balls to try and pass them off as Aircraft Carriers just staggers the mind. The USMC has Support craft that are bigger than these and carry more aircraft (and 1000+ Marines and their equipment). That piddling little thing is not a Carrier! It's an embarrassment.
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yep on the Launchers, the Harriers are Gr7's with FA2's. (look at the bottom of the linked page)phongn wrote:Didn't they rip out the Sea Dart launcher (since the later Sea Harriers could carry the AMRAAM...except the GR9 is now replacing the FRS2)Sea Skimmer wrote:Well the orginal design would have carried Exocets and Seawolf as well. Much more of a cruiser then the Sea Dart only that got fitted. Bad sign when your carrier needs an area defence missile system because its fighters cant do the job.
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That wouldn't surprise me in the least, successive governments have fucked over the RN for the last 50 years. Oh and the other services as well, but the RN needs to have big money commitments made or it pays the price for years and years.phongn wrote:One proposal for the next LHD has it larger than even your newly-designed carriersRob Wilson wrote:They got through the budget at the time of building by being classified as Helicopter Cruisers. The fact that the Government then had the balls to try and pass them off as Aircraft Carriers just staggers the mind. The USMC has Support craft that are bigger than these and carry more aircraft (and 1000+ Marines and their equipment). That piddling little thing is not a Carrier! It's an embarrassment.
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It is classed as a carrier. It uses a contavercial jump deck rather then the standerd catapult. It is only armed with Harrier jump jets. It was the British idea of maintain "carrier" presence without the price of a large aircraft carrier. It compaires to the Nimits the same way a JP(escort) carrier from WWII compaired with the Lexington or enterprise. It has enough planes to deal with anti-submarine work but if and enemy fleet attacks kiss your butt goodbye
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The USN seems to be turning the LHDs into CVEs lately (abliet very large ones).Rob Wilson wrote:That wouldn't surprise me in the least, successive governments have fucked over the RN for the last 50 years. Oh and the other services as well, but the RN needs to have big money commitments made or it pays the price for years and years.phongn wrote:One proposal for the next LHD has it larger than even your newly-designed carriers
Yeah, your military spending needs to be higher (a good thing US military spending is up - NORAD was scouring eBay for spare parts and considering moving to a transponder-only system ). Same with Canada's (teh Sea Kings really need to go)
It's a de facto carrier. It's technically called a "through-deck cruiser" for funding purposes.Isolder74 wrote:It is classed as a carrier.
Ski-jump. With the aircraft carried on them there is no need for catapults. That, and it'd look suspicious if a cruiser suddenly sprouted cats.It uses a contavercial jump deck rather then the standerd catapult.
It has some helicopters as well, some defensive CIWS installations and used to have the Sea Dart area-defense SAM.It is only armed with Harrier jump jets.
There is no such thing as a JP carrier. "Jeep carriers" was just slang for the CVEs.It was the British idea of maintain "carrier" presence without the price of a large aircraft carrier. It compaires to the Nimits the same way a JP(escort) carrier from WWII compaired with the Lexington or enterprise.
It was never intended to be a big, bad strike platform (neither was the similar US Sea Control Ship that was later adapted by the Spanish). The design did face off against the Argentines and nearly got into a carrier battle.It has enough planes to deal with anti-submarine work but if and enemy fleet attacks kiss your butt goodbye
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No, it was the FAA which operated many of the radars NORAD used that wanted transponders only. NORAD was fighting it but the perceived lack of a threat made there position poor to politicians. That changed quickly after 9/11phongn wrote:The USN seems to be turning the LHDs into CVEs lately (abliet very large ones).Rob Wilson wrote:That wouldn't surprise me in the least, successive governments have fucked over the RN for the last 50 years. Oh and the other services as well, but the RN needs to have big money commitments made or it pays the price for years and years.phongn wrote:One proposal for the next LHD has it larger than even your newly-designed carriers
Yeah, your military spending needs to be higher (a good thing US military spending is up - NORAD was scouring eBay for spare parts and considering moving to a transponder-only system ). Same with Canada's (teh Sea Kings really need to go)
The Sea Kings will go, over the side most likely. One recently crashed on deck from total engine failure and I won't be surprised if we don't see more going down.
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