Brainfart. Not students, but kids on campus. But the point stands regardless: he was head coach, one his staff was molesting children in facilities under his jurisdiction, he learned of it and didn't act.Havok wrote:Sandusky was preying on CHILDREN from The Second Mile, which is a organization set up by HIM 30 years ago, with multiple locations in Pennsylvania. He simply used his access to Penn State to molest children there. To put it bluntly, college kids are too old for him.
If Penn State had never known a single thing about what he was doing and he hadn't stepped foot on the campus in 20 years, he would still be molesting children through the infrastructure he set up to facilitate it.
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And then.....he did nothing. (Nevermind the fact that both *superiors* were superior in name only.
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When it came to football stuff, and other things, but I imagine in security matters like this, they were most definitely his superiors. It's not like Paterno was directing campus police and accepting and denying admissions.Thanas wrote:And then.....he did nothing. (Nevermind the fact that both *superiors* were superior in name only.
At some point, despite what we all think, he is just a football coach and not some omniscient campus overseerer. He was immersed in football, and that took up pretty much his entire life.
In my earlier comments, when stating his importance, I should have noted that it was in the role of recruiting and in fundraising and in general figurehead status.
He's kinda like the Queen of England. Lots of influence, but no real sway, and there are people that don't want him involved in anything but being a public face.
Paterno's fault was in not using his influence to make sure Sandusky was never anywhere near Penn State again. Curely and Schultz should have pursued the police angle, and McQuarry should have covered the beat his face into the shower drain angle. They all failed.
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Paterno basically got to chose Spanier to become head, so I think the point is a bit moot.
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Again. Facts.Lord Zentei wrote:Brainfart. Not students, but kids on campus. But the point stands regardless: he was head coach, one his staff was molesting children in facilities under his jurisdiction, he learned of it and didn't act.Havok wrote:Sandusky was preying on CHILDREN from The Second Mile, which is a organization set up by HIM 30 years ago, with multiple locations in Pennsylvania. He simply used his access to Penn State to molest children there. To put it bluntly, college kids are too old for him.
If Penn State had never known a single thing about what he was doing and he hadn't stepped foot on the campus in 20 years, he would still be molesting children through the infrastructure he set up to facilitate it.
Sandusky had not been one of "his staff" since '99.
Everyone and their mother is coming out now saying that it was weird that Sandusky was always with young boys. No, it wasn't. He was the founder of a charity organization with the sole purpose of helping young children. He was seen taking these young boys to football games and facilities to see games, meet players and work out. There is nothing strange about that at all, as surprise, young boys love football. I would have been all about that when I was 10.
And again, he did act. The question STILL is, what did he know and when. The GJ believed what Paterno told them, which was that he had a vague description of what happened and he then relayed that description to Curely and Scultz, leaving it in their hands to handle. If what Paterno has said is true, then the actions he took make sense in the context of the situation.
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Paterno's "great" history.
Especially this email is telling.
So the great Paterno was demanding that campus code of conduct not apply to football players, that serious violations like beating people up would not be prosecuted, that only he had authority over disciplining students, that a different standard was applied to his precious athletes, that things were hushed up....and then blackmailed the faculty by threatening to not do fundraising.
What a piece of work.
Especially this email is telling.
So the great Paterno was demanding that campus code of conduct not apply to football players, that serious violations like beating people up would not be prosecuted, that only he had authority over disciplining students, that a different standard was applied to his precious athletes, that things were hushed up....and then blackmailed the faculty by threatening to not do fundraising.
What a piece of work.
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And, funny enough, sounds like boilerplate lifted from policy at the places whose idiotic elevation and special treatment of athletes I noted some pages ago, much to Havok's distaste.
Well, maybe Thanas and I are both working off resentment at having been picked last for dodgeball, or something. Because athletic programs are so great that no other possible basis for objection could exist.
Well, maybe Thanas and I are both working off resentment at having been picked last for dodgeball, or something. Because athletic programs are so great that no other possible basis for objection could exist.
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Even at high schools in Australia there's still special kid gloves treatment for kids who will win sports trophies for the school and get them mentioned in the paper.
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I recall 20+ years ago, when we had a serious scandel in my high school getting swept under the rug.
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How did they manage to cover that up?The Yosemite Bear wrote:I recall 20+ years ago, when we had a serious scandel in my high school getting swept under the rug.
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Fired the AV teacher, and suspened the honor student for attacking some football players with a homade stun gun...
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Yeah, I never said anything one way or the other about athletes receiving special treatment.Kanastrous wrote:And, funny enough, sounds like boilerplate lifted from policy at the places whose idiotic elevation and special treatment of athletes I noted some pages ago, much to Havok's distaste.
Well, maybe Thanas and I are both working off resentment at having been picked last for dodgeball, or something. Because athletic programs are so great that no other possible basis for objection could exist.
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