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Non Catenatum · Post by **Non Catenatum** » 2003-03-05 03:22pm

Its been a while, but I recall a topic devoted to the logical falacy's on my site (http://www.DoLord.com). I realized that many of them written were true, and I must admit the site's undergone a lot of change (both theological and the structure). And since I know how much you guys like this kinda stuff, I invite you to search the site and tell me if you see anything you may take as a logical falacy.

P.S., the World Religions sect is the only part of the site not run by me, so if you list any from that, I may change it but don't blame me

BTW, does anyone know of a cheaper web-hosting service then geocities? This account takes 12.50 a month, and only has 50 MB of space.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-03-05 03:30pm

Your entire perception of life is based off of pseudoreasoning. You say that God exists? You have the budron of proof.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-03-05 03:33pm

creationistalltheway wrote:Its been a while, but I recall a topic devoted to the logical falacy's on my site (http://www.DoLord.com). I realized that many of them written were true, and I must admit the site's undergone a lot of change (both theological and the structure). And since I know how much you guys like this kinda stuff, I invite you to search the site and tell me if you see anything you may take as a logical falacy.

P.S., the World Religions sect is the only part of the site not run by me, so if you list any from that, I may change it but don't blame me

BTW, does anyone know of a cheaper web-hosting service then geocities? This account takes 12.50 a month, and only has 50 MB of space.

Add your site to your profile. That way, we can link to it with a button at the bottom of your posts (like mine).

Non Catenatum · Post by **Non Catenatum** » 2003-03-05 03:41pm

Superman wrote:Your entire perception of life is based off of pseudoreasoning. You say that God exists? You have the budron of proof.

The burden of proof is only on me if I'd intended to objectively prove God to you, which I have not.

Captain Jack · Post by **Captain Jack** » 2003-03-05 03:41pm

Or you could use the URL button like this:
http://www.DoLord.com

Non Catenatum · Post by **Non Catenatum** » 2003-03-05 03:44pm

Sorry, I'd assumed it would show up as a hyperlink if I typed it normally. That's usually what happens when you post something with an http:// before it.

Captain Jack · Post by **Captain Jack** » 2003-03-05 03:51pm

As you type your post you will see some buttons above the aria you type in, click on url, type you link and click url to close the tag.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-03-05 03:52pm

Here is a typical debate with a fundie. I will put the fallacies into parentheses.

Fundie: "Don't you want Jesus as your Savior?"

Me: "Prove Jesus"

Fundie: "Millions of people believe in Jesus! (Appeal to Belief fallacy) Could they be wrong?"

Me: "Yes, they could."

Fundie: "Where did the world come from?" (Red Herring Fallacy, (he said nothing about Jesus here), Burdon of Proof (because of what he is implying) and the False Dilemma fallacy)

Fundie: "The Bible says that God created the world in seven days!" (Appeal to authority fallacy).

Me: "That's nice, so why do you believe that the Bible is correct?"

Fundie: "The Bible says so!" (Appeal to Authority fallacy and Begging the Question (circular))

We could go on and on...

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-03-05 03:53pm

Hey CATW, tell the guy doing the world religions page that Buddha was from India, not China. And the back button on that page was broken.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-03-05 03:53pm

The burden of proof is only on me if I'd intended to objectively prove God to you, which I have not.

Creationist, that is called the "subjectivist fallacy" and it is still a fallacy. Things are not true for one or the other. Claims are either true or false.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-03-05 03:53pm

Oh crap, I could never use the quote button correctly.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-03-05 03:56pm

Superman wrote:Here is a typical debate with a fundie. I will put the fallacies into parentheses.

Fundie: "Don't you want Jesus as your Savior?"

Me: "Prove Jesus"

Fundie: "Millions of people believe in Jesus! (Appeal to Belief fallacy) Could they be wrong?"

Me: "Yes, they could."

Fundie: "Where did the world come from?" (Red Herring Fallacy, (he said nothing about Jesus here), Burdon of Proof (because of what he is implying) and the False Dilemma fallacy)

Fundie: "The Bible says that God created the world in seven days!" (Appeal to authority fallacy).

Me: "That's nice, so why do you believe that the Bible is correct?"

Fundie: "The Bible says so!" (Appeal to Authority fallacy and Begging the Question (circular))

We could go on and on...

Mine is more simple:

Me: "Jesus paid for your sins, and if you accept him as Lord and Savior, you are saved from the penalty of sin."

Other: "Prove Jesus."

Me: "No. Exercise faith or don't. Christianity is based on faith."

Non Catenatum · Post by **Non Catenatum** » 2003-03-05 03:58pm

lol, superman I"m not trying to say that what I believe is true for me and not for you. I am in noi way appealing to moral reletavism. What I mean, is I was asking if the site itself hass logical falacies (sp), and your post was speaking as if I had told you to believe it, which I had not.

By the way, that common "debate" witha fundie was entertaining, and I admit often so many christians go out debating before having a clue what they're talking about...look at some earlier debates I had on this board for an example

Non Catenatum · Post by **Non Catenatum** » 2003-03-05 03:59pm

Exactly jegs. I used to be the kind of person that said "I can prove God to you!" Till I realized it wasn't a matter of salvation being in the hands of misinformation, and some startling new evidence could be the turning point from hell to heaven.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-03-05 04:00pm

I assume you took the Evolution/Creation debate, and science in general, out of your site, as I can't see it. It's basically moralism and apologetics, now.

Skimming through it, I noticed this.

Islam is much different than Christianity, as they do not accept Christ as a deity, but as a prophet. They believe that salvation is through belief AND works. The fact that they believe such makes them not the same as Christians, and thus they are not saved.

Once again, your God is very cruel if a good man, having led a compassionate life, goes to hell simply because he has never heard of the Bible or Christ, or was taught otherwise.

Also, small children who die without having had the chance to learn about Christ are obliterated, too.

I'm betting that, if God does exist, is not the vindictive SOB some people try to make him.

Non Catenatum · Post by **Non Catenatum** » 2003-03-05 04:01pm

Anyway, X box calls. If you see any more, please tell me., By the way, I'll fix the China/India thing, and since I've just added that top frame I'm slowly fixing all the links. Thanks for notifying me of the one in the Religions section.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-03-05 04:01pm

A theory with no scientific evidence isn't a theory at all moron.

And omnipotence is impossible, yet you still attribute it to God.

And you still use the Bible to validate Christianity. That's circular reasoning.

Ah, and the ole "I'm to stupid to figure it out and instead of conceding I'll just chalk it up to God's mysterious ways."

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-03-05 04:02pm

"lol, superman" (Horse laugh fallacy?)

Seriously, why believe in such nonsense? Do you need this control mechanism in your life? Is this your way of "standing out" of the crowd?

David · Post by **David** » 2003-03-05 04:06pm

creationistalltheway wrote:Its been a while, but I recall a topic devoted to the logical falacy's on my site (http://www.DoLord.com). I realized that many of them written were true, and I must admit the site's undergone a lot of change (both theological and the structure). And since I know how much you guys like this kinda stuff, I invite you to search the site and tell me if you see anything you may take as a logical falacy.

P.S., the World Religions sect is the only part of the site not run by me, so if you list any from that, I may change it but don't blame me

BTW, does anyone know of a cheaper web-hosting service then geocities? This account takes 12.50 a month, and only has 50 MB of space.

As jegs said, please post homepages in your profile or sig, so that forums do not get filled with site whores.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-03-05 04:06pm

Here are my custom fallacies...

Fundie: "Why don't you believe in god?" (Too retarded live without and invisible friend fallacy)

Me: "Which god? There are thousands!"

Fundie: "The true God!" (Too much of an idiot to realize that his god is relative to western culture fallacy)

Me: "How do you come to these conclusions?"

Fundie: "The Bible is the most hisorically accurate book known to man! Even Darwin said that it was accurate on his death bed!" (How does this idiot remember to stay alive by breathing fallacy...)

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-03-05 04:07pm

Oh yeah, you are also working off the assumption that God exists.

Whether or not you are debating, you still work off that assumption and therefore have to prove it.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-03-05 04:25pm

Oh, creationist, subjectivist arguments are not the same as "moral relativism," dumb ass.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-03-05 05:28pm

jegs2 wrote:Me: "No. Exercise faith or don't. Christianity is based on faith."

Me: Why have faith? Worshipping an entity when you have no evidence of it's existance what so ever simply because your mommy, daddy, priest and a book written thousands of years a go, advocating rather questionable morals, tell to have faith in christ is pretty foolish. In children credulity serves a purpose, it allows them to learn new things switly, but adults should employ at least a moderate amount of healthy scepticism.
Grow up, your not a kid anymore.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-03-05 05:36pm

Colonel Olrik wrote:Once again, your God is very cruel if a good man, having led a compassionate life, goes to hell simply because he has never heard of the Bible or Christ, or was taught otherwise.

Also, small children who die without having had the chance to learn about Christ are obliterated, too.

I'm betting that, if God does exist, is not the vindictive SOB some people try to make him.

I've always wondered about that. If God created the whole world and all the peoples on it, why did he only choose to send his message of love and all that to a tiny portion of it in the Middle East? Is everyone else damned by default? If so - some God...

Ravencrow · Post by **Ravencrow** » 2003-03-05 05:56pm

How can faith ever try to justify itself as 'logical' is beyond me.

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