Zinegata wrote:Many of them technically are citizens of Jordan/Egypt under occupation, just like how many Arabs who live in the Golan Heights still see themselves as Syrian citizens. And given that Israel actually has decent relationships with both Egypt and Jordan, it wouldn't have been hugely terrible idea if Israel simply gave back these territories along with their population back to Egypt and Jordan. Note that Israel handed back the Sinai along with its (admittedly small) population back to Egypt in exchange for peace after Yom Kippur.
Not quite. Jordan offered citizenship to some (or all, I can't remember), because it annexed the West Bank. Egypt did neither of those things. Post-war, neither wanted those areas back.
Didn't Jordan refuse the territories when offered?
They did post-war (and later rescinded their annexation).
Zinegata wrote:Eh? I'm pretty sure Gaza was sovereign Egyptian territory until it was captured by the Israelis. I can see the Egyptians not granting citizenships to refugees who fled from Israel, but the existing people who lived in Gaza before the war should have been Egyptian citizens.
Egypt didn't annex Gaza or grant its inhabitants citizenship. They actually set up a puppet government there, though it was short-lived AFAIR.
Zinegata wrote:Eh? I'm pretty sure Gaza was sovereign Egyptian territory until it was captured by the Israelis. I can see the Egyptians not granting citizenships to refugees who fled from Israel, but the existing people who lived in Gaza before the war should have been Egyptian citizens.
Egypt didn't annex Gaza or grant its inhabitants citizenship. They actually set up a puppet government there, though it was short-lived AFAIR.
Oh, so it was never actually part of Egypt's territory. Okay, that's gonna make things even more complicated.
When Israeli historians come out against Gingrich and are saying he is an idiot, I think the matter can be considered settled. Yes, I know Tom Segev is considered left-wing, but I haven't found anybody contradicting him yet.
"There is no intelligent person today who argues about the existence of the Palestinian people," Segev said."Nations are created gradually. I don't think the Palestinians are less of a nation than the Americans."
Whoever says "education does not matter" can try ignorance
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A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood
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Thanas wrote:When Israeli historians come out against Gingrich and are saying he is an idiot, I think the matter can be considered settled. Yes, I know Tom Segev is considered left-wing, but I haven't found anybody contradicting him yet.
"There is no intelligent person today who argues about the existence of the Palestinian people," Segev said."Nations are created gradually. I don't think the Palestinians are less of a nation than the Americans."
Not to mention that even if he were correct, it would be pretty much irrelevant anyway.
