Do we still need unions?

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Re: Do we still need unions?

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Okay, aieeegrunt, I was wrong about where you lived and so on.

That said, I do wonder how stable the labor laws are without the unions to back them up. Laws that don't have an organized interest group promoting them certainly don't last long in the US; do they last better in other developed countries?
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Re: Do we still need unions?

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Simon_Jester wrote:Okay, aieeegrunt, I was wrong about where you lived and so on.

That said, I do wonder how stable the labor laws are without the unions to back them up. Laws that don't have an organized interest group promoting them certainly don't last long in the US; do they last better in other developed countries?
What evidence do we have that unions provide crucial support to worker protection laws right now? This assumption underlies a lot of pro-union arguments and everyone seems to state it as if it is self-evident. It might be true, but simply assuming it's true is bad reasoning.
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Re: Do we still need unions?

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Simon,the strength of the unions here were effectively broken or coopted back in the seventies. any gain in worker protection here is mostly government intervention,with unions serving as a mouthpiece.of course,one might attribute the poor working conditions of foreign and migrant workers to non unionisation but hey,they don't vote either.
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