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On mobile, so not full quote of the article, but the picture says a lot.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/austr ... 1qjt1.html
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INDIGENOUS leaders have promised more protests in the wake of a fiery clash between demonstrators and police that trapped Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott in a Canberra restaurant before they were dragged to safety and bundled into waiting cars.

The protest was sparked by comments made by Mr Abbott about ''moving on'' the Aboriginal tent embassy, which celebrated its 40th anniversary yesterday.

There were violent scenes outside the Lobby Restaurant several hundred metres from Parliament House - where Ms Gillard and Mr Abbott were presenting the inaugural National Emergency Medals - after at least 200 people from the nearby Aboriginal tent embassy surrounded the building for more than 20 minutes.

The situation was so volatile that Ms Gillard's federal police escort decided to rush the Prime Minister from the event, and after she stumbled they dragged her from the restaurant to a waiting car.

There were violent clashes between the 50 police - including the ACT police riot squad brandishing batons and plastic shields - and the angry crowd, amid chants of ''Shame'', ''Racist'' and ''Always was, will be, Aboriginal land'' and protesters banging on the glass walls.

As the Prime Minister presented the last of the 26 emergency services workers with their medals, a woman in traditional Aboriginal body paint wrested a side door open and threw a handful of rose petals inside, shouting abuse at the nation's leaders.

A conversation between Ms Gillard and her security detail was caught by Nine Network cameras, with the Prime Minister's bodyguards concerned the glass walls would collapse under the weight of protesters' banging.

''We feel that the situation is deteriorating and can't stay much longer,'' a member of Ms Gillard's security team said.

The protesters had reacted to reports of Mr Abbott's response to a question at the Sydney Opera House yesterday morning about the tent embassy's 40th anniversary, which coincides with Australia Day.

When asked if the tent embassy was ''still relevant or should it move'', Mr Abbott said: ''I think the indigenous people of Australia can be very proud of the respect in which they are held by every Australian and, yes, I think a lot has changed since then and I think it probably is time to move on from that.''

His comment was replayed on television and was heard by the 1000 people who had gathered at the tent embassy to celebrate its 40th anniversary.

The chairman of the Northern Basin Aboriginal Nations, Fred Hooper, said: ''We were peacefully celebrating the 40th anniversary of the Aboriginal tent embassy. The Opposition Leader on national television made a comment to tear down something that [we] have built over 40 years, which is sacred to us.

''So what do you expect us to do when we are 200 yards away from the person that makes that comment? Do you expect us to say, 'Yeah, Tony, we're gonna do that now. We're gonna rip it down.' ''

However, the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Social Justice Commissioner, Mick Gooda, said he was appalled at the level of disrespect and aggression shown towards Ms Gillard and Mr Abbott.

"An aggressive, divisive and frightening protest such as this has no place in debates about the affairs of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples or in any circumstances," Commissioner Gooda said.

"While we need to acknowledge that there's a real anger, frustration and hurt that exists in some Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities around Australia, we must not give in to aggressive and disrespectful actions ourselves.''

Several of the embassy's leaders, including Sean Gordon from the Darkinjung Aboriginal Land Council in north-west New South Wales, said they planned to protest again on Saturday and in the future for Aboriginal rights.

''There will be more protests on this. You can be sure this will go on for some time,'' Mr Gordon said.

''Abbott has started this [and] we're going to keep the fight going. We are standing up here and we are not going away.

''To come here on the 40th anniversary to say these things. What does he expect? We are not going to go away. We will not forget this … Our people are dying of depression, of the grog, and we have this bloke talking about tearing us down, taking us away. Well, we are not going to go away. There will be more.''

At an event at The Lodge several hours later, Ms Gillard said she had not been injured during the protest.

''The only thing that angers me is that it distracted from such a wonderful event with great people from the emergency services,'' she said.

Mr Abbott, Minister for Indigenous Affairs Jenny Macklin and opposition indigenous affairs spokesman Nigel Scullion were not willing to comment last night.

At the tent embassy after the violence there was both frivolity and outrage.

After Ms Gillard was bundled into a waiting car and whisked away, a protester displayed one of Ms Gillard's blue high-heel shoes, which had fallen off during her hasty exit, and shouted: ''Gingerella, come get your shoe!''
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seriously man

nothing sums up australia more than needlessly stirring the racism pot just because you want to be prime minister like your dad john howard

professional politicians people :V
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oh shit ando the comments are gooooooooooold
It was a shameful display of thuggery by those who continually nuture the notion that they are hard done by. I know the soft centred do-gooders out there will come to the defence of these thugs but I suggest the police get into action and tear down the tent embassy disgrace and arrest those who do not vacate the site immediately, enough is enough.
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Stark wrote:seriously man

nothing sums up australia more than needlessly stirring the racism pot just because you want to be prime minister like your dad john howard

professional politicians people :V
RT @JohnBirmingham Julia Gillard needs to do a bit of rugby training. Tony Abbott needs to... I dunno... Learn when to shut the fuck up, I suppose.
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My god.

Image 13 in the gallery on that article with Abbott looking smug beyond belief in the departing car is too good.

Well played you evil genius, well played.
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Yesterday when I told sherry this was a huge vote-winning stunt she didn't believe me, didn't see how I would work.

Now she can see the overwhelmingly positive response for Abbott and she's just stunned.

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Random aside - this incident happens and instead of AFP it's USSS. What's the bodycount?
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weemadando wrote:Random aside - this incident happens and instead of AFP it's USSS. What's the bodycount?
We honestly don't know; to my knowledge such a thing has never happened. If it's USSS, the security cordon probably stopped it from getting to that point in the first place, honestly.
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Some places are suggesting it was a massive overreaction by security forces to a few angry people.

On the other hand he President doesn't wear heels.

Oh man Americans are a lol.
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I edited in the article, but to be honest, from the responses so far, this thread is trending somewhat towards Testing territory.

For now, I'll let it stay here and see if it improves.
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The dude holding a stick/bar in the background of that picture tells me it wasn't a total overreaction.
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I bet Howard go worse every time he went for a jog. :)

From he perspective of Abbott, the man prepared to destroy the country to rule it free a decade as second fiddle, his payout on some statements he can later call 'misunderstood' is amazing. He has successfully reopened issues that will help him push or policies once he comes to power and puts Jesus in charge.
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Can someone summarise the issue for me? As in, what are the current grievances of the Aboriginal people and what are the grumblings of those opposed to them? A primer of a link will do, too, I don't know where to look.
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Specifically it's to do with the tent embassy - the idea being Aboriginal people are sovereign and as a sovereign people should have a diplomatic mission to the Australian government. It was a pretty powerful idea when it began in the early 1970s, but TBH I think a lot of the reconciliation process has moved beyond it. I go past it most days and it's two or three tents on the lawn opposite Old Parliament House, with a sign saying 'sovereignty' in between them.

Abbott was questioned earlier in the week about it and said basically 'don't think it has much point anymore'. He and the PM then showed up at the cafe next to the lawn where said tent embassy is. The occupants of the embassy went over and got a bit rowdy, PM's security detail bundles her out, and the whole process is captured by a news team. I actually think it'll give the PM a bit of a bump given the way she reacted inside the building.
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The issue isn't a specific greivance. There's a site felt as a memorial of aboriginal political action in the capital. Its a symbol of what could be termed the Australian civil rights movement, taking aboriginies from sub-human to recognition of native title and other rights across 40-50 years.

Abbott (and much of white Australia, being massively racist) think they should just take it away and get over it because pshaw all that business is over now, right? Its the liberal/racist angle that either nothing was ever done that was wrong, or since we personally didn't do it that it is now irrelevant and aboriginal people should just grow up and stop mentioning any of it.

Since the native population is almost vanishingly small and yet beset by all manner of serious problems, this kind of dismissal is obviously pretty offensive to a whole generation. Its particularly offensive to me because I work with mining companies (one of the biggest groups that interact with native title holders) and nobody has any of the scaremongering reactions these guys had to fight against for decades for white people to condescend to admit maybe they stole their country.
The comments in the article Ando linked to are a good representation of exactly how ignorant, racist and unwilling to take responsibility white Australia is.

But then, these ARE the people who refused to accept any non-white immigrants that weren't rich, and then wondered why people resented all the rich immigrants outperforming them!

Jester, remembering being a kid in the late 80s with all the rights business flying around up here in Queensland, Abbott's attitude is pretty dumb. But then I think he obviously only said it to get all the bigots out to vote for him. I've heard some of the PM's response (and that there is apparently no Abbott response at all) and I think she's doing ok, but Abbott'll have more up his sleeve.
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Last time I checked, diplomatic personnel weren't supposed to assault the head of state of the nation their embassy is to.

Might be wrong, but I doubt it. :razz:
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Just what is the situation for Aborigines like nowadays in Australia? Comparable to the situation of American Indians in the US nowadays? Or blacks? Or blacks before the civil rights movement?

I've heard some of the stuff done in the past (the stolen generation, as an example), but I'm honestly quite clueless about the situation nowadays.
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A real mix up of the worst of Indian reservations and urban marginalisation and ghettoisation.
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Since nobody was assaulted I guess you're just an idiot.

Its funny actually, because its pretty arguable that the representative or activist end of the reconcliation process has become disconnected with the social problems in the communities they represent. Clearly the solution is to get those pesky people out of the capital.

Turtle, there was pretty serious progress legally in the 70s-90s with recognition, and many of the issues these days are social or cultural, much as it is in America. However, the visibility of these people is so low that people can honestly group them all as 100% dole bludger welfare divas (as in the comments to Ando's article) without believing themselves racist. I think there's a lot of resentment from the white community just under the surface, and stunts like this bring it out.
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D.Turtle wrote:Just what is the situation for Aborigines like nowadays in Australia? Comparable to the situation of American Indians in the US nowadays? Or blacks? Or blacks before the civil rights movement?

I've heard some of the stuff done in the past (the stolen generation, as an example), but I'm honestly quite clueless about the situation nowadays.
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The regional communities can be real tragedies; north Queensland has some really fucked up places. The statistics on youth suicide are so high they are not published.
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Thanks for the elaboration. Sadly enough, the situation is pretty much what I expected. Turns out its almost always extremely difficult for disadvantaged groups to break out of the circle of misery - even after legal changes take place.

Looking at the comments on that article, at least there was also some push-back from others (though a minority), but I'm almost afraid of looking at what is posted on The Australian...
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Here is something interesting about the whole affair:
As she mixed with guests, her security point person approached her with two blemishes on his suit jacket from the growing protest outside.
"You right there, Humphrey," she quipped. "You been in the wars."

Humphrey (full name unknown, because we can't know the full names of such people) was way too exercised by the realisation that his "principal" (security jargon for the person in need of protection) was fast becoming trapped.

He quietly but bluntly told the Prime Minister that the "situation is deteriorating". They needed to leave quickly.

He turned to go, but was stopped in his tracks by Gillard's next comment.

"And what about Mr Abbott? Where have we got him?"

At that point, Humphrey was utterly betrayed by his expression. He did not say: "Why would I care about Tony Abbott? He's not my principal," but the line would have been quite at home as a subtitle across the bottom of frame.

As Jessop observes, Humphrey "had no idea" Abbott was in the equation until that instant.

Nor did Abbott. Gillard can also be seen in the footage approaching the man who has so effectively torn apart her first 18 months as Prime Minister and letting him know that both of them needed to leave quickly. Right or wrong, Abbott was about to be accused of comments that provoked the very protest that was now trapping them.
"So they would like us to go straight away?" Abbott lifts his eyebrows, slightly bemused, though you could hardly blame him. Gillard was organising his security and it was all going to be on national television very soon afterwards.
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Even better, apparently the "white lady" who had been reported by the 40yr anniversary march folks as starting the whole thing by coming over and telling an element of the crowd "Did you hear what Tony Abbott said ... well he's in there" was one of Gillard's media team who has now been fired.

Abbott's evil genius must be slipping.
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I just watched a few clips of the event/reactions to on youtube and the comments... Sigh.

This shit's never going to stop, never going to get any better, as long as we have jug-eared fuckwits like Abbott in the public eye.
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