Star Trek vs Star Wars --- The two greatest sci-fi legends

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-03-06 11:59pm

Tohonaca wrote:ok on the warp theory i believe that elimster was right. I saw on another discussion on another website that star wars ships go at the speed of light. Warp 9.99 which is the highest that ST ships can go without the crews being changed into lizards is over 10 times the speed of light. Warp 1 is the speed of light. The higher warp speed is the only thing that fed ships have going for them. I still say SW would win.

P.S I know I'm a newbie but please just listen to the arguement without being conviced that your view is supreme over all others. This means you trekkies.

Ok, I'll be gentle here:

How could the Millenium Falcon go from the outer rim of the galaxy to the core of the galaxy in 6 hours at only the speed of light?

How could Maul go from Coruscant to Tatooine in 12 hours at 3E8 m/sec?

How could Anakin and Padme go one parsec to Geonosis in a few hours at C?

Simple answer: they can't. If Tatooine is 50,000 LYs from Coruscant (as stated in Inside the worlds of episode 1), and we assme 12 hours (as it was day on Tatooine when he left and night when he arrived), that means he had to be going at least 4167 lightyears per hour. And he was using a tpe 3 hyperdrive, which is far slower then a type 1 (which an ISD uses).

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-03-07 12:34am

How did I miss this flame fest for so long?

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2003-03-07 01:55am

Tohonaca wrote:ok on the warp theory i believe that elimster was right.

Seeing has how, after being here for 3 days without posting, you dig up a several week-old thread, just to agree with the other guy who just 'showed up' one day, I wouldn't be surpirsed if you were from the same site, had elminster point the thread out to you, or were the exact same person. It's a bit suspicious, You know.

I saw on another discussion on another website that star wars ships go at the speed of light.

Well, they were wrong. Hopelessly wrong and uninformed. SW ships have demonstrated travel times of millions of times c. To cross 40,000-60,000ly in days or even hours would be impossible without it.

Warp 9.99 which is the highest that ST ships can go without the crews being changed into lizards is over 10 times the speed of light.

Made-up nonsense. Warp 9 to 9.99 ranges in the thousands of c. Again, the travel times they've demonstrated would be impossible at a mere 10c. Don't you even know that it'd take months to get to the next star at 10c? That's an elementary concept for anyone who knows that the nearest star is 4.5ly away, so why don't you realize how absurd your statement is? I'm being as polite as I possibly can here, but you really should have figured out that even Warp 5 is way more than 10c.

Warp 1 is the speed of light.

I actually agree with you on that one. Warp 1 is indeed 1c, but Warp is significantly scaled after that, with Warp 2 at 14c, iirc.

The higher warp speed is the only thing that fed ships have going for them. I still say SW would win.

That's a totally unsupported claim. I'd almost want to know why you think that, but seeing the misinformation of the previous points, I'd rather not.

P.S I know I'm a newbie but please just listen to the arguement without being conviced that your view is supreme over all others. This means you trekkies.

This quote just throws me off. Not only are you acting like people are going to get mindlessly rabid or debunk your argument without picking it apart rationally, but you address Trekkies, for hte wierdest of reasons.

Do you think this board is full of Trekkies, or are you that uninformed as to think that's the term for rabid Star Wars fans?

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, which normally isn't my style. Though if you come back here and act like Elminster's angry, insane second post, I will have to whip out the insulting photoshop retorts.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-03-07 09:46am

Tohonaca wrote:ok on the warp theory i believe that elimster was right. I saw on another discussion on another website that star wars ships go at the speed of light.

Since we all noticed how it took Han and Luke several years to go from Tatooine to Alderaan and then to Yavin, we must assume this is true.

Warp 9.99 which is the highest that ST ships can go without the crews being changed into lizards is over 10 times the speed of light.

So, when traveling from Earth to the nearest star, the trip would take months instead of years! Neat... I wonder how many trips you can do in a single season. 3? 4?

Warp 1 is the speed of light. The higher warp speed is the only thing that fed ships have going for them. I still say SW would win.

P.S I know I'm a newbie but please just listen to the arguement without being conviced that your view is supreme over all others. This means you trekkies.

I've noticed that the average IQ level of this board has lowered considerably. Please stop posting so it gets back to normal

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-03-07 06:20pm

Tohonaca wrote:ok on the warp theory i believe that elimster was right. I saw on another discussion on another website that star wars ships go at the speed of light. Warp 9.99 which is the highest that ST ships can go without the crews being changed into lizards is over 10 times the speed of light. Warp 1 is the speed of light. The higher warp speed is the only thing that fed ships have going for them. I still say SW would win.

P.S I know I'm a newbie but please just listen to the arguement without being conviced that your view is supreme over all others. This means you trekkies.

Hmmm, no. Hyperspace is several measures faster than the fastest warp. There's enough material out there on which to choke a horse that goes into painful detail on the vast superiority of hyperdrive over warp-engines. I don't think even Darkstar disputes that. Have you looked at the links I posted for Elminster (before he received several hundred HEAT rounds in the chest from less-polite members).

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-03-07 06:23pm

Darth Utsanomiko wrote:Then again, it's basic netiquette to know that you'll get a harsh reception on a Linux newsgroup.

Boy did I learn that the hard way! Those Linux types are some cold bastards...

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-03-09 09:44am

Tohonaca wrote:ok on the warp theory i believe that elimster was right. I saw on another discussion on another website that star wars ships go at the speed of light. Warp 9.99 which is the highest that ST ships can go without the crews being changed into lizards is over 10 times the speed of light. Warp 1 is the speed of light. The higher warp speed is the only thing that fed ships have going for them. I still say SW would win.

P.S I know I'm a newbie but please just listen to the arguement without being conviced that your view is supreme over all others. This means you trekkies.

You're the most stupid lifeform I've encountered in a long time. In a thread where people are going READ THE SITE you spout the oldest, must beaten down myth.

At 1c is would take YEARS to travel between systems you fucking idiot. Grow a brain dumbass.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-03-09 06:38pm

Tohonaca wrote:ok on the warp theory i believe that elimster was right.

You've either been misinformed, or you are an idiot.

I saw on another discussion on another website that star wars ships go at the speed of light.

That discussion on the "other website" was quite obviously wrong. Post a link to it so that some of us may educate the morons.

Warp 9.99 which is the highest that ST ships can go without the crews being changed into lizards is over 10 times the speed of light.

That's not even true. Transwarp is faster than that. Even some standard warp drives travel substantially faster, at warp 9.999 or even better.

Warp 1 is the speed of light. The higher warp speed is the only thing that fed ships have going for them. I still say SW would win.

Obviously, but hyperdrive is MUCH faster than conventional warp drives.

P.S I know I'm a newbie but please just listen to the arguement without being conviced that your view is supreme over all others. This means you trekkies.

My view takes more into account than yours. You are a newb. I am not obligated to listen to your alleged argument, which is based COMPLETELY around the laughable principle that hyperdrive is the speed of light. Hyperdrives have covered Galactically significant distances in a SINGLE DAY. Compare this to Voyager, which would have taken decades to limp through about the same distance that Darth Maul's ship covered in hours. Compare this to the Rebel fleet at Endor, which travelled hundreds of light years in what was at most a single day, and was more realistically a few hours.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-03-09 06:41pm

jegs2 wrote:Hyperspace is several measures faster than the fastest warp. There's enough material out there on which to choke a horse that goes into painful detail on the vast superiority of hyperdrive over warp-engines. I don't think even Darkstar disputes that. Have you looked at the links I posted for Elminster (before he received several hundred HEAT rounds in the chest from less-polite members).

Actually, DarkStar does dispute that. Observe the part of his website when he ignores canonical data to claim that hyperdrive is arguably as fast as warp, and only potentially faster. I particularly found his excuse funny about how the Rebel strike force took more than a day to move to the "other side of the ridge" and mount their attack.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-03-09 08:35pm

SCI-Fi_Freak wrote:Whoopsies, I meant Trekkies *realizes he's a newbie* Uh-oh *ducks*

Duck all you want little newbie...for soon you shall realize that the duck and cover method does not protect you from a....

HADOKEN!!!

*Watches the newbie vaporize*