Mass Effect 3 (Spoilers)

[Stofsk]

Speaking of bullies, that's tough talk from someone who accused someone he's debating with of being a Nazi lover.

EDIT- to clarify that's directed at zinegata

[Zinegata]

You jut demanded Chris provide specific examples because you didn't like his specific examples. Who is the bully here? Who is the one with the preconceptions that cannot brook dissent?

Uh, in all seriousness. Who's Chris? I'm only asking specific examples from YOU.

If you think I was asking for specific examples from Stosfk you're mistaken, as I was explaining why I asked for specific examples from you.

Speaking of bullies, that's tough talk from someone who accused someone he's debating with of being a Nazi lover

Why not? He literally threatened to inflict physical pain on me.

So really, don't pretend this isn't anything more than just buddies (on a first-name basis no less) backing up each other in bullying.

[Havok]

After the the fact. Cause and effect. Another concept you clearly don't understand.

[Zinegata]

After the the fact. Cause and effect. Another concept you clearly don't understand.

Then perhaps you shouldn't call people morons because you're too stupid to comprehend that the Catalyst's logic was flawed, and then whine and cry that you get compared to Nazis for trying to justify its actions?

Don't dish it if you can't take it.

[Stark]

Dude Hav likes mass effect and I hate it. We're not backin each other up - indeed Havs contrary opinion is the only reason I posted in this thread. Sharing ideas can be good, instead of just yelling like a lunatic.

Oh shit - now he's saying don't be rude? What the FUUUUUCK.

[Stofsk]

You jut demanded Chris provide specific examples because you didn't like his specific examples. Who is the bully here? Who is the one with the preconceptions that cannot brook dissent?

Uh, in all seriousness. Who's Chris? I'm only asking specific examples from YOU.

Me you idiot.

Speaking of bullies, that's tough talk from someone who accused someone he's debating with of being a Nazi lover

Why not? He literally threatened to inflict physical pain on me.

Seems to me that he only did that after you said he'd fit right in with the nazis.

Which is perfectly understandable, since you're provoking him in a fucking internet debate by calling him a nazi. How about I suggest you cool the fuck down?

So really, don't pretend this isn't anything more than just buddies backing up each other in bullying.

Lol hav's my buddy now? We barely interact with each other. So now you're basically insinuating that I'm somehow acting unethically as a moderator?

[Havok]

After the the fact. Cause and effect. Another concept you clearly don't understand.

Then perhaps you shouldn't call people morons because you're too stupid to comprehend that the Catalyst's logic was flawed, and then whine and cry that you get compared to Nazis for trying to justify its actions?

Don't dish it if you can't take it.

There is a difference between calling someone an idiot because they can't understand concepts in story telling, and saying they condone genocide and love a REAL group of people that killed members of your family.

I don't expect a dipshit like you that thinks more poignant evidence comes from a throw away, vague, 5 word statement that says NOTHING over an actual conversation about the topic at hand that provides actual data to understand that.

It's not about not being able to take it, it's about you being able to back up your claims, which you haven't done once.

[Zinegata]

Dude Hav likes mass effect and I hate it. We're not backin each other up - indeed Havs contrary opinion is the only reason I posted in this thread. Sharing ideas can be good, instead of just yelling like a lunatic.

Actually, Hav likes the ending. You don't want to change it either. That's not a contrary opinion.

[Zinegata]

Me you idiot.

Uh, hi Chris? :p

Seems to me that he only did that after you said he'd fit right in with the nazis.

Which is perfectly understandable, since you're provoking him in a fucking internet debate by calling him a nazi. How about I suggest you cool the fuck down?

Well, I was provoked when he started calling people morons too, but I guess that's less insulting than being called a Nazi-lover.

I'm not really pissed at the moment (I WAS pissed yesterday), but okay *vents heat sink*.

Lol hav's my buddy now? We barely interact with each other.

Well, that's the impression I got. But that's just me.

So now you're basically insinuating that I'm somehow acting unethically as a moderator?

No, I'm not the insinuating sort. It's a game discussion so I was just "Okay, I've got three people disagreeing with me. Not gonna change their minds. GIVE UP." That one of them as a mod wasn't meant to be an insinuation; just an admission that I'm outgunned and not gonna change anyone's mind.

[Dalton]

Someone is very lucky tonight that I checked my temper despite the fact that it's 3am and I'm at work.

The next Nazi/Hitler reference I see in this thread in regards to another poster, not to the game results in my flying off the fucking handle.

[Zinegata]

There is a difference between calling someone an idiot because they can't understand concepts in story telling, and saying they condone genocide and love a REAL group of people that killed members of your family.

Okay, fine. For whatever it's worth, I apologize.

So let's start over with just factual stuff:

I don't expect a dipshit like you that thinks more poignant evidence comes from a throw away, vague, 5 word statement that says NOTHING over an actual conversation about the topic at hand that provides actual data to understand that.

Dude, again: If you take both of our clips AND the wiki statement, they are NOT contradictory. Are you denying this? Why are you insistent that we should ignore a statement that it was a DIFFERENT race that created the Zha'Til?

[Havok]

Lets continue with showing how incapable you at comprehending words and sentences you are though...

MAJOR PLOT POINT and a few kinda important missions in Mass Effect 2. Oh man.

Does someone else want to field this? I'm getting tired from hitting all these softballs.

Uh, what the hell are you lying about now? It was established way back in ME1 that the Citadel did enable to shutdown of all relays. The only other way to mess up the relays is to either make a special relay (i.e. Omega) which also has suicidal defenses right past it, or to blow it up (which Shep did) - but the Reapers don't necessarily want the latter since they apparently use the relays too.

So you didn't have enough of your own stupid... you needed more from someone else? OK.

The major plot point that sparky, and apparently you, missed was that the Reapers were able to take a specific relay and make it ONLY accessible to the people they wanted to use it. THAT is why you spend a quarter of the game trying to get the Reaper IFF so that you can also use the relay they have closed off to everyone but themselves and the Collectors.

Hence it is a DUMB FUCKING STATEMENT to say the Reapers should just turn off the relays and travel around leisurely at light speed. So what am I lying about again?

Havok tries to be smug and all, but all he's doing is trolling because he's a goddamn fucking Little-Hitler loving moron.

And this has WHAT to do with this specific argument with another board member? Just another baseless, personal attack. Who is it that can't take it?
P.S. You don't try to be smug. You are either smug or you aren't.

And how would the Reapers do anything with the Citadel if it closed and they no longer had remote access to it? Especially considering the AAI has shown no propensity to help the Reapers.

Uh, right. This is literally the fourth time you ignore the fact that he said he created the Reapers as the solution to the problem, and that he frowns upon destroying them because it claims that it will cause the cycle to continue. That's not "no propensity to help the Reapers" when the ONLY solution that he has qualms about is the one that results in their destruction.

I haven't ignored it once. You don't have reading comprehension skills of any kind.
You realize that that the AAI could have created the Reapers and yet still never actually directly help them? In fact, the EVIDENCE (not re-purposing the Keepers back to their assigned original tasks, allowing the Protheans to lock out remote control of the Citadel and then not restoring it, not assisting Sovereign, his creation, as he was destroyed within arms reach) shows that it indeed, does not take an active role in the Reapers duties and mission.

Wall of Ignorance Mk IV.

You not paying attention to the games and ignoring evidence so you can scream HITLLLLLERRRRR!!! Mk MCMVII

This is utterly bullshit - you have no way of guessing the reapers motives to not taking the citadel, Hell you don't even know what is the exact nature of the crucible-catalyst-reaper relationship.

And yet you keep foisting this bullshit notion that "The Catalyst can't control the Reapers!" on us. There is actually nothing to support your notion that the Catalyst has no control over the Reapers either. In fact, the implications that it was able to make a control mechanism for Shepard means that it does know how to control the Reapers - otherwise no "Control" scenario would be possible.

Every post and argument you make is just a horrible attempt to twist what people say to suit your own made up "evidence".
Please CITE the SPECIFIC post where I said, "The Catalyst can't control the Reapers!" This is a direct request for you to provide evidence in a debate and per the rules of the board, you will comply or concede the point.

So really, stop being such a troll because you're a psycopath who threatens other forum-goers with physical harm due to your retardedness.

It's not a threat, but as you don't know me or anything about me off this board, it is understandable that you would see it that way.
You do have to appreciate people that call one a retard and then show they can't even spell their insults correctly.

[Zinegata]

Dude, again, I am sorry. And I'll just ignore the above for now as you're clearly still angry.

[Stark]

Hav's opinion is contrary to the thread's tone, dude. A bunch of nerds whining that SHOCK HORROR a Bioware game has a shit ending doesn't interest me at all, but Hav talking abou how he sees it tying into things from the other games is interesting. Hav and I have totally different attitudes as a starting point, but talking about it and hearing different things is more interesting than another page of AI BRAT OMG WORSE THAN HITLER.

Man captain mood swing says calm down. What a lol.

[Zinegata]

Stark->

Isn't your tone contrary too? You're the one saying that the better ending DLC idea was silly.

And yeah, I'm moody. Character flaw.

But anyway, minor point. Back to regular programming.

[Stark]

I don't know what you mean. I think the attitude of 'make the game more like what I want' is a bit juvenile, but reading Hav's posts and talking to others has me thinking the reaction is also overblown. But then I think ME writing has always been juvenile trash, so I'm not invested in the setting the way you and Hav are.

[Zinegata]

I don't know what you mean. I think the attitude of 'make the game more like what I want' is a bit juvenile, but reading Hav's posts and talking to others has me thinking the reaction is also overblown. But then I think ME writing has always been juvenile trash, so I'm not invested in the setting the way you and Hav are.

I meant that the general feeling of most players is that there should be a better ending; hence the tone being contrary. Also, that the general theme is about people coming together, not that it's about racism and stuff. I'd go further and say that the latter opinion (ME is racist and juvenile) arises because you haven't played ME2 wherein the writing is much improved.

What you're saying is that there is a nuance in your contrary opinion - Hav likes the current ending and tries to fit it with the rest of the series, while you felt the series was bad anyway so there was no point in changing it.

[Havok]

There is a difference between calling someone an idiot because they can't understand concepts in story telling, and saying they condone genocide and love a REAL group of people that killed members of your family.

Okay, fine. For whatever it's worth, I apologize.

It's not worth anything.

So let's start over with just factual stuff:

This outta be interesting.

I don't expect a dipshit like you that thinks more poignant evidence comes from a throw away, vague, 5 word statement that says NOTHING over an actual conversation about the topic at hand that provides actual data to understand that.

Dude, again: If you take both of our clips AND the wiki statement, they are NOT contradictory. Are you denying this? Why are you insistent that we should ignore a statement that it was a DIFFERENT race that created the Zha'Til?

I never said they were contradictory. I said they were not the same Synthetics that Javik was talking about AND that it is fully possible that more than one race could develop AI, just as has been shown in the current/our cycle.

Your assertion that the Zha were one of the races that considered themselves Protheans is even more absurd when you actually read the wiki article stub on them...

Zha'til

The zha'til were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the Protheans. They originated when a race known as the zha implanted themselves with AI technology to enhance their intelligence in order to survive as their homeworld became inhospitable. The AIs seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters, the zha'til, and their offspring into slaves.

How would the Protheans fight a galaxy spanning war with a race that couldn't even survive on their home world, or apparently, leave it? So the Zha effectively ceased to exist in any form other than a slave race. Why would they become "Protheans" if they were just mindless creatures and slaves. Keep in mind that Javik specifically states that the War with the AI started and only after, did they bring everyone under the "Prothean" banner. There is no way chronologically that the Zha'til are the "machine intelligences" that he references in the first conversation with Sheppard and Liara.

Even if this is somehow who Javik was talking about (it is even more plain now that it isn't) it STILL REINFORCES the AAI's assertion that Synthetic life/AIs in the ME universe will attack and attempt to destroy their masters and vice versa.

Are you going to KEEP IGNORING EVIDENCE that what the AAI/Catalyst/Little Hitler says are his reasons have a basis in the facts about Synthetics/AIs that we know about and have been shown?
Keep in mind, since I know this confuses you a great deal, that acknowledging that while the AAI reasoning may have merit, or even evidence to back it up, that you can absolutely disagree with his "solution" to the problem. Can you understand that?

[PeZook]

I haven't ignored it once. You don't have reading comprehension skills of any kind.
You realize that that the AAI could have created the Reapers and yet still never actually directly help them? In fact, the EVIDENCE (not re-purposing the Keepers back to their assigned original tasks, allowing the Protheans to lock out remote control of the Citadel and then not restoring it, not assisting Sovereign, his creation, as he was destroyed within arms reach) shows that it indeed, does not take an active role in the Reapers duties and mission.

Yeha, but that's the dumb thing, isn't it? The Catalyst's objective is to have the Reapers blow up the galaxy ; Him not pursuing this objective when it would be trivial to do so is just terrible writing. Sure, we can make up in-universe justifications of various kinds, but the game doesn't seem to indicate he's some sort of impartial observer or anything. Especially since him killing off the Prothean team that boarded it wouldn't require him to reveal himself to the Reapers at all:just kill them, dispose of the bodies and continue business as usual.

And naturally, Sovereign getting murdered means he loses some of the preserved species. Which he says he wants to preserve.

He was just hamfisted in, and then it got worse because OF COURSE the Citadel had to be involved in the finale

Now, all of that could actually be made into a GOOD thing, from an artistic perspective, if it was explored. Hell, the holes in his statements could be used as an alarm bell that seeds doubt in the player, much like on Tuchanka you get to listen to Wrex make plans for the Krogan after curing the genophage, which makes you doubt the decision to actually cure it. And so you have to make your call based on trust and your own convictions about what is right.

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As for people screaming on changing the ending: I think it actually speaks that the games were a stunning success and that people love the franchise. Part of it may be that in order to go through the three games you need to invest 100+ hours of your time, which is A LOT. It's like watching a series of thirty movies. So naturally people get more angry than they would if they watched a bad episode of Full House or whatever.

Also: movies tend to focus-test their endings before release just to avoid such terrible backlash from audiences (because movies make half or more of their revenue from merchandising, so they want to make people like the franchise ). "Entitlement" is just one facet of this, and IMHO a side-effect of people getting emotionally invested in Shepard. Again, not a bad thing, from the company's perspective. As I wrote before, I bet they could SELL the "better ending" DLC and people would buy it and be grateful.

The WORST thing Bioware can do now is say "Bah eat it nerds, fuck you, that's the ending how it's gonna stay". Of course, if they did that, people will calm down eventually and just swallow the bitter pill, but I don't think it's bad they feel so invested in the series. In fact, for a marketer, it's indicative of success and means you can further monetize the fan base in the future, if you play your cards JUST right

Your EMS score modifies the colours of space magic you can choose from and how blowed up the earth is. Also, if you have very high EMS score and choose the red space magic (and only the red space magic) Anderson and potentially Shepard will survive.

Yes, I know, but WHY?

Again, you brought 2 dreadnaughts = Reapers explode. You brought 40 dreadnaughts = Reapers fall over dead, don't explode.

How the fuck does this follow? It's another reason to feel your work in uniting the galaxy doesn't matter, it's just an arbitrary score, despite all the Codex descriptions of your war assets

They should've made the WA list way shorter, but have them actually show up and do things in the final battle, like in Alpha Protocol, where the allies you secure actually show up and make things easier for you here and there. But then in order to make it interesting, you'd have to include a lot more tough decisions, like the Krogan/Salarian thing, where you must figure out which assets you want and which you can dispense with. They did it with SOME things, like Aria and the Krogan, but in the end it doesn't matter.

That's just another reason why an epilogue is a must: show you consequences. Oh yeah the Terminus fleet was a huge boon in the war, but now Aria T'Loak is a warlord commanding a united warfleet and will cut a bloody swath across the galaxy. The Salarians did not participate, however, and can oppose her with their full strength. Krogan are making trouble, etc etc etc etc.

You know what? I don't think the particular "big" moral choice in the ending matters all that much. Gardeners, Dark Matter energy sinks, peacekeepers, whatever the Reapers are - It would've been great to just see the consequences of all your SMALLER choices playing out post-war.

Are you going to KEEP IGNORING EVIDENCE that what the AAI/Catalyst/Little Hitler says are his reasons have a basis in the facts about Synthetics/AIs that we know about and have been shown?

When Shep angrily blurts "What the fuck Kid, look out there! Quarians and the Geth working together!", the AI could even say, "Irrelevant. One data point does not invalidate a trend established over 1.5 million years. This is the most optimal solution."

Shep really should've been angrier about it all, though. Make him a champion of choice (you know, the theme bioware was trying to pretend was big in the game) and the AI a voice of reason, caution and conservatism. Play on the themes of chaos vs. order, showing the passionate side in Shepard and the cold ruthless one in the AI, without pushing one or the other.

[Omeganian]

Report from 5 000 000 000 BC to the Galactic President:

Per your request for a solution to the problem of AI uprisings, we have developed an AI which could oversee the galaxy and prevent such uprisings in the future. It is intended to be housed in the entire Mass Relay network, with the central node being in the currently constructed Capital Station. However, we would require 15 more credits for a debugging program.

Response:

Due to the current problems with refunding my toaster, we cannot afford to spare 15 credits. Just go ahead and install it. Nothing can go wrong.

[Zinegata]

I never said they were contradictory. I said they were not the same Synthetics that Javik was talking about AND that it is fully possible that more than one race could develop AI, just as has been shown in the current/our cycle.

Why would you assume it was a different Synthetic race? The wiki entry on the Protheans only meantion the Zha'Til:

Eventually, the Protheans faced a hostile machine intelligence called the Zha'til which threatened to overwhelm them. To defeat the Zha'til, the Protheans decided to unite all of the galaxy's sentient organic life under their empire. Organic races that resisted the Protheans were soundly crushed. In time, each of the servant races assimilated into Prothean culture and came to think of themselves as Prothean. The Prothean Empire held its own against the Zha'til in a conflict known as the "Metacon War".

The Metacon War is the ONLY Synthetic-Organic war mentioned in the wiki; and I don't see Javik's statements regarding it contradicting that this when he referred to the war against the unnamed Synthetics.

Granted, having a another unknown Synthetic race is possible, but that's an untested assumption that needs more evidence.

As for your attempt to disprove that "Zha" considered themselves Protheans...

Your assertion that the Zha were one of the races that considered themselves Protheans is even more absurd when you actually read the wiki article stub on them...

Zha'til

The zha'til were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the Protheans. They originated when a race known as the zha implanted themselves with AI technology to enhance their intelligence in order to survive as their homeworld became inhospitable. The AIs seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters, the zha'til, and their offspring into slaves.

It does not mention that the Zha were wiped out by the Zha'Til, actually. So it is entirely possible that the Protheans encountered the Zha survivors and the Zha'Til, and then made the Zha part of the Prothean alliance. Or they freed the Zha from the Zha'Til at the conclusion of the war. We have no details to be sure.

Also, note from the wiki:

The Citadel was the Prothean seat of government, and the heart of their galaxy-wide empire. Although the Protheans were a single race, as they expanded and assimilated other spacefaring races into their empire, those servant races adopted the name "Prothean" for themselves as well.

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How would the Protheans fight a galaxy spanning war with a race that couldn't even survive on their home world, or apparently, leave it? So the Zha effectively ceased to exist in any form other than a slave race.

It says that the Zha home world became inhospitable. Protheans were well known for altering other races at the genetic level too, and for seeding worlds with life. Maybe they gen-modded the Zha to uplift them.

Keep in mind that Javik specifically states that the War with the AI started and only after, did they bring everyone under the "Prothean" banner. There is no way chronologically that the Zha'til are the "machine intelligences" that he references in the first conversation with Sheppard and Liara.

Yes, but Javik was speaking in hindsight - well after the creation of the Empire. When a Gaul has been a Roman province for years and Gauls think of themselves as Romans - then an attack on a "Gaul" can be seen as an attack on a "Roman" many years later.

Even if this is somehow who Javik was talking about (it is even more plain now that it isn't) it STILL REINFORCES the AAI's assertion that Synthetic life/AIs in the ME universe will attack and attempt to destroy their masters and vice versa.

Again, the contention that Synths and Organics sometimes fight is not being contested. I explicitly acknowledged there was some kind of Synth vs Prothean War. What I was contesting is whether or not it was the Protheans who created the rebel AI.

Our argument hre is much more simple: Are the Zha'Til the unnamed AIs that Javik mentions "rebelled against them"?

My contention is that they ARE. The wiki ONLY mentions the Zha'Til. The Zha'Til were created by another race, the Zha. It is entirely possible some members of the Zha race survived (perhaps gene-modded by the Protheans) and became part of the Prothean Empire, hence them falling under the "We" umbrella.

Your contention is not actively contradicted by any evidence, I'll grant you that. Maybe there's ANOTHER AI revolt that Javik was talking about. But if that's the case... why was it allowed to recur? You acknowledge that the Zha'Til revolt happened first - before the Prothean alliance. If they already knew that a Synth revolt was possible, then why did they ignore this lesson and found themseves fighting a SECOND revolt before founding an alliance?

Having a second revolt does not make sense. The Protheans encounter the Zha'Til, defeat them, then create more AI that revolt AGAIN? After which they finally create the alliance?

I'm much more inclined to agree with the wiki version: There was ONE revolt. The Zha'Til revolt. Called the Metacon War. After which the Protheans allied all organics. Why Javik would consider the Zha as part of the Prothean system is not stated expicitly - but again it may just be the "Gauls under Roman rule" thing.

Are you going to KEEP IGNORING EVIDENCE that what the AAI/Catalyst/Little Hitler says are his reasons have a basis in the facts about Synthetics/AIs that we know about and have been shown?

Absolutely. Because just because it happened to the Protheans does not mean it will always happen. You are mistaking one observation as representative of the entire cycle; and we don't even have full details about that cycle. Were the Protheans just being absolute bastards? Were they just forced against the wall? Were the Zha'Til iredeemably against organics? We don't know.

Your flaw is thinking that I am denying your evidence. I am not. I am showing that you are applying the wrong standards of proof to justify the cycle.

[Havok]

I don't know what you mean. I think the attitude of 'make the game more like what I want' is a bit juvenile, but reading Hav's posts and talking to others has me thinking the reaction is also overblown. But then I think ME writing has always been juvenile trash, so I'm not invested in the setting the way you and Hav are.

I haven't gotten to my "ME3 things I didn't like" post yet, but it is as I said.
There is a moral choice to be made, it is just a very basic one that all ends in the Reaper, AAI "deaths".
The differences are do the actual bodies of the Reapers get destroyed. A silly point to argue over as their primary reason for existing and I assume their thoughts and personalities are forever altered by Act Of Sheppard in the Control ending. He replaces the AAI, again, making an assumption here, erasing it and installing himself in the Citadel. The "race" of the Reapers effectively ceases to exist.

The other differences are as people say... the color of the magic beams based on the option of death you chose for the Reapers. Control/Destroy/Synthesis

This is the part of the ending I like.

The AAI and what he says and does as it shows that yes, there is something that we can't comprehend and fathom and justify that is controlling and driving the Reapers and their "mission" as they said from day one. That is shown and fleshed out in this thread for sure. It seems to be igniting FattynerdTM boards on fire all over the internet as well.
It would illicit the same responses in universe as well I imagine.

It's is almost as if Bioware did it on purpose, but I have lost confidence that they are that clever.

What people hate about it, is that it didn't illicit that response in Sheppard. Giving it thought though, he understands the Reapers the best out of any sentient organic in existence, and he has been brimming with anger at their atrocities first hand for three straight years. Character wise, he shouldn't be shocked anymore at anything they do or what their reasons are, and he wasn't. He was like,"man, you fucking guys... whelp, I'm here now, what's next."

This pissed off FNs for some some reason, even though to me, it is a case of good writing and portraying a character as he would probably act after charging a 2 mile tall walking laser beam, getting sent through a whacky transporter beam, taking a bullet in the gut and everything else he has endured in the last three years... like fucking dying and being brought back from the dead. He should be fucking blase about Reaper shit at this point.

Nope, he needed to rage and shake his fist and blast the Citadel and the new found AAI with his pistol.

That's one half of the anger... the other is, and I didn't really know this because I don't sit around waiting with bated breath over any Mass Effect news, apparently what was promised wasn't delivered as far as what they said the ending would be like in many people's opinions. That anger I get.

If you say your choices and actions are gonna matter then they should. They should have gone the extra mile and made more than 3, and that is stretching it, endings. It is just basically one ending with slight variations.

They should have done like, 10 distinct endings... I mean distinct. Like even have an ending where Sheppard is all, "Ahhhh I get it. Lets murder these organic fucks!"

Damnit... I gotta do my criticism post...

[Havok]

Report from 5 000 000 000 BC to the Galactic President:

Per your request for a solution to the problem of AI uprisings, we have developed an AI which could oversee the galaxy and prevent such uprisings in the future. It is intended to be housed in the entire Mass Relay network, with the central node being in the currently constructed Capital Station. However, we would require 15 more credits for a debugging program.

Response:

Due to the current problems with refunding my toaster, we cannot afford to spare 15 credits. Just go ahead and install it. Nothing can go wrong.

[Terralthra]

Also: movies tend to focus-test their endings before release just to avoid such terrible backlash from audiences (because movies make half or more of their revenue from merchandising, so they want to make people like the franchise ).

Game publishers focus group test the HELL out of their games. However, given that for the average single-player story game, no more than 60%-65% of the people who buy it actually finish it, it doesn't take much to guess where resources are and are not allocated and where focus group results are and are not prioritized.

[PeZook]

Chard wins the thread.

By the way, Hav was it you who said Javik was boring? I LOVE the guy! He's a total dick!

"Amusing. The Asari have mastered writing."

"The lizard people evolved? They used to eat flies!"

I wonder how Liara reacts to learning that Protheans were actually dickheads