Poor oppressed white people tangent

[Broomstick]

Why does his being Hispanic mean he can't possibly be racist?

Because there is a meme out there that ONLY white people can be racist, everyone else is an oppressed brown person. Brown people can't be racist towards each other, it would violate the physical laws of the universe. There is also a corollary that all white people are inherently and inescapably racist.

Personally, I think it's all just various flavors of bigotry. But then I'm white, so I must be wrong.

[Flagg]

Why does his being Hispanic mean he can't possibly be racist?

Because there is a meme out there that ONLY white people can be racist, everyone else is an oppressed brown person. Brown people can't be racist towards each other, it would violate the physical laws of the universe. There is also a corollary that all white people are inherently and inescapably racist.

Personally, I think it's all just various flavors of bigotry. But then I'm white, so I must be wrong.

Oh the poor oppressed white people who are the single most privileged race in human history! Cry me a fucking river.

[Simon_Jester]

though white fat, and jewish I would probably point out that being inter racial does not mean your not prejudiced, hell there are some who are even more becsuse of harasmenet in school growing up, and there are others who are raised to be incredably ttolerant. I remember being part of a neighborhood watch program, we were never armed and kicked the Korean War Vet out for wanntibg to be armed

Hm. Correct me if I'm wrong, but neighborhood watch programs probably don't get to do all that much testing or training to screen out lunatics. In that case, I can see how the sort of person who really wants to carry a gun on a neighborhood watch program is likely to be an accident waiting to happen.

Why does his being Hispanic mean he can't possibly be racist?

Because there is a meme out there that ONLY white people can be racist, everyone else is an oppressed brown person. Brown people can't be racist towards each other, it would violate the physical laws of the universe. There is also a corollary that all white people are inherently and inescapably racist.

Personally, I think it's all just various flavors of bigotry. But then I'm white, so I must be wrong.

Oh the poor oppressed white people who are the single most privileged race in human history! Cry me a fucking river.

I'm not even seeing how this makes sense as a response. If she thinks there are people who refuse to believe 'brown people' can be racists, does that mean she is crying about some kind of oppression suffered by whites?

I'm seeing some very bad logic here. Arguably, you're confirming her own damn complaint- oh, that might explain it, maybe it's Zen humor and I didn't get the joke. Sorry. Nevermind.

[Flagg]

Because there is a meme out there that ONLY white people can be racist, everyone else is an oppressed brown person. Brown people can't be racist towards each other, it would violate the physical laws of the universe. There is also a corollary that all white people are inherently and inescapably racist.

Personally, I think it's all just various flavors of bigotry. But then I'm white, so I must be wrong.

Oh the poor oppressed white people who are the single most privileged race in human history! Cry me a fucking river.

I'm not even seeing how this makes sense as a response. If she thinks there are people who refuse to believe 'brown people' can be racists, does that mean she is crying about some kind of oppression suffered by whites?

I'm seeing some very bad logic here. Arguably, you're confirming her own damn complaint- oh, that might explain it, maybe it's Zen humor and I didn't get the joke. Sorry. Nevermind.

You're a fucking illiterate idiot. Let me quote broomies mewling for you in nice big easy to read format:

But then I'm white, so I must be wrong

Make things clear you goddamned imbecile?

[Simon_Jester]

The Justice Department is investigating, but it may be difficult for them to make their case. It's a tough standard to nail someone on federal civil rights charges, and the "stand your ground" BS apparently makes prosecuting this guy ridiculously difficult in Florida.

Miami Herald

“The department will conduct a thorough and independent review of all of the evidence and take appropriate action at the conclusion of the investigation,” the Justice Department said in a statement. “The department also is providing assistance to and cooperating with the state officials in their investigation into the incident. With all federal civil rights crimes, the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person acted intentionally and with the specific intent to do something which the law forbids — the highest level of intent in criminal law.

“Negligence, recklessness, mistakes and accidents are not prosecutable under the federal criminal civil rights laws.”

I would think that there is more than enough evidence at this point to destroy Zimmerman's self-defense story, considering "Several witnesses said they heard cries that sounded like a boy wailing — howling silenced by the crack of gunfire — and were shocked to hear police later portray the cries as Zimmerman’s. One witness said police ignored her repeated phone calls." Another thing I've read several times (not in this story) is that a witness was pressured to change her testimony by a cop on the scene from Martin crying out to Zimmerman crying out.

This story is getting a LOT of attention, so there's hope.

"Stand your ground" laws strike me as dangerous, because they make it easy for you to justify a killing as 'self-defense' when it was in fact 'fighting.' People can feel threatened and think "what if the scary person chases after me and attacks me?" in situations where that fear is totally irrational, and where all they would have to do to prevent violence is just back off instead of standing and sneering and going "go ahead, make my day!"

So having a law that violent idiots will understand to mean "It's okay to kill people when I feel threatened" will make for a lot of unjust and unnecessary killings.

Oh the poor oppressed white people who are the single most privileged race in human history! Cry me a fucking river.

I'm not even seeing how this makes sense as a response. If she thinks there are people who refuse to believe 'brown people' can be racists, does that mean she is crying about some kind of oppression suffered by whites?

I'm seeing some very bad logic here. Arguably, you're confirming her own damn complaint- oh, that might explain it, maybe it's Zen humor and I didn't get the joke. Sorry. Nevermind.

You're a fucking illiterate idiot. Let me quote broomies mewling for you in nice big easy to read format:

But then I'm white, so I must be wrong

Make things clear you goddamned imbecile?

No. I mean, if she'd said "why does everybody hate on white people" or something along those lines, I would understand. But instead she's saying "there are people who automatically ignore racism from 'brown' people and who automatically attribute racism to 'white' people," which doesn't mean white people are oppressed. And she's saying "there are people who automatically jeer at anything a white (such as me) says on matters of race, because they are white: I am white, so I must be wrong [if I say there are people who ignore anything whites say about race.]"

And on that subject you're making Broomstick's case for her, because you personally are doing exactly the sort of thing someone would predict from reading Broomstick's post. As soon as she says "my point will be ignored because I'm white," you leap in with a pointless -1 post, a counterattack that doesn't actually refute her point, or even notice that it exists as far as I can tell.

[Flagg]

I'm not even seeing how this makes sense as a response. If she thinks there are people who refuse to believe 'brown people' can be racists, does that mean she is crying about some kind of oppression suffered by whites?

I'm seeing some very bad logic here. Arguably, you're confirming her own damn complaint- oh, that might explain it, maybe it's Zen humor and I didn't get the joke. Sorry. Nevermind.

You're a fucking illiterate idiot. Let me quote broomies mewling for you in nice big easy to read format:

But then I'm white, so I must be wrong

Make things clear you goddamned imbecile?

No. I mean, if she'd said "why does everybody hate on white people" or something along those lines, I would understand. But instead she's saying "there are people who automatically ignore racism from 'brown' people and who automatically attribute racism to 'white' people," which doesn't mean white people are oppressed. And she's saying "there are people who automatically jeer at anything a white (such as me) says on matters of race, because they are white: I am white, so I must be wrong [if I say there are people who ignore anything whites say about race.]"

And on that subject you're making Broomstick's case for her, because you personally are doing exactly the sort of thing someone would predict from reading Broomstick's post. As soon as she says "my point will be ignored because I'm white," you leap in with a pointless -1 post, a counterattack that doesn't actually refute her point, or even notice that it exists as far as I can tell.

Her point got lost in the "woe is me I'm white" bullshit I fucking emboldened, enlarged, and colored for you so maybe you'd read it. I see my efforts were futile as you're still an illiterate, useless, bloviating cunt.

[TheHammer]

No. I mean, if she'd said "why does everybody hate on white people" or something along those lines, I would understand. But instead she's saying "there are people who automatically ignore racism from 'brown' people and who automatically attribute racism to 'white' people," which doesn't mean white people are oppressed. And she's saying "there are people who automatically jeer at anything a white (such as me) says on matters of race, because they are white: I am white, so I must be wrong [if I say there are people who ignore anything whites say about race.]"

And on that subject you're making Broomstick's case for her, because you personally are doing exactly the sort of thing someone would predict from reading Broomstick's post. As soon as she says "my point will be ignored because I'm white," you leap in with a pointless -1 post, a counterattack that doesn't actually refute her point, or even notice that it exists as far as I can tell.

Her point got lost in the "woe is me I'm white" bullshit I fucking emboldened, enlarged, and colored for you so maybe you'd read it. I see my efforts were futile as you're still an illiterate, useless, bloviating cunt.

Actually I think you're the one with the fucking problem and that problem is a complete lack of reading comprehension.

I understood completely what both of them said and "woe is me I'm white" isn't even a factor in any of it. I'd try to put it in terms simple enough for you to understand but I think it would be a waste of my time.

[Flagg]

No. I mean, if she'd said "why does everybody hate on white people" or something along those lines, I would understand. But instead she's saying "there are people who automatically ignore racism from 'brown' people and who automatically attribute racism to 'white' people," which doesn't mean white people are oppressed. And she's saying "there are people who automatically jeer at anything a white (such as me) says on matters of race, because they are white: I am white, so I must be wrong [if I say there are people who ignore anything whites say about race.]"

And on that subject you're making Broomstick's case for her, because you personally are doing exactly the sort of thing someone would predict from reading Broomstick's post. As soon as she says "my point will be ignored because I'm white," you leap in with a pointless -1 post, a counterattack that doesn't actually refute her point, or even notice that it exists as far as I can tell.

Her point got lost in the "woe is me I'm white" bullshit I fucking emboldened, enlarged, and colored for you so maybe you'd read it. I see my efforts were futile as you're still an illiterate, useless, bloviating cunt.

Actually I think you're the one with the fucking problem and that problem is a complete lack of reading comprehension.

I understood completely what both of them said and "woe is me I'm white" isn't even a factor in any of it. I'd try to put it in terms simple enough for you to understand but I think it would be a waste of my time.

Oh please enlighten me wise one. This should be funny. I get to take on the full retard brigade today.

[TheHammer]

Actually I think you're the one with the fucking problem and that problem is a complete lack of reading comprehension.

I understood completely what both of them said and "woe is me I'm white" isn't even a factor in any of it. I'd try to put it in terms simple enough for you to understand but I think it would be a waste of my time.

Oh please enlighten me wise one. This should be funny. I get to take on the full retard brigade today.

Honestly if you haven't gotten it already then you aren't going to. But I'll give it a shot. I'll bullet point so you don't have to try and comprehend and the same time you are reading - that seems to be a problem for you.

See, there were actually TWO points to be addressed.

[*] As Broom noted, there is a prevalent meme that "racism" is a perpetration of whites on to minority races.
[*] Whenever someone white talks about racism their comments are often dismissed because white people could never be victims of nor understand racism regardless of their personal life experiences.

The statement given that Zimmerman "'Can't be racist because he's hispanic" is proof of the premise for the first point.

Your asinine comments about "oppressed white people" are proof of the second. Which is what Simon was trying to tell you.

[Flagg]

Actually I think you're the one with the fucking problem and that problem is a complete lack of reading comprehension.

I understood completely what both of them said and "woe is me I'm white" isn't even a factor in any of it. I'd try to put it in terms simple enough for you to understand but I think it would be a waste of my time.

Oh please enlighten me wise one. This should be funny. I get to take on the full retard brigade today.

Honestly if you haven't gotten it already then you aren't going to. But I'll give it a shot. I'll bullet point so you don't have to try and comprehend and the same time you are reading - that seems to be a problem for you.

See, there were actually TWO points to be addressed.

[*] As Broom noted, there is a prevalent meme that "racism" is a perpetration of whites on to minority races.
[*] Whenever someone white talks about racism their comments are often dismissed because white people could never be victims of nor understand racism regardless of their personal life experiences.

The statement given that Zimmerman "'Can't be racist because he's hispanic" is proof of the premise for the first point.

Your asinine comments about "oppressed white people" are proof of the second. Which is what Simon was trying to tell you.

Oh man, that's better than I could have hoped for. The first is completely true. Of morons.

The second is just funny as hell, and is the "point" I chose to respond to. I use point in parentheses since it was just more of Broomies "woe is me" routine. But I digress. No, if the worst thing the white race has to put up with is having it assumed that they are the fount from which racism flows then they have it pretty fucking good. Which was my point. The one that sailed right over the heads of you retards.

[Simon_Jester]

"Stand Your Ground" seems reasonable on the surface, and considering just how out of line Zimmerman was, it might not save his ass (it's certainly not meant to, according to the bill's architects here). But it is a damned strong defense that wouldn't normally be available, and it probably contributed to the feeling of the cops on the scene that their buddy could probably be off the hook.

Like I was saying, what worries me with things like 'castle' laws is the way they get interpreted by people who have issues and preconceptions about violence. "Stand your ground" is too easy for trigger-happy idiots to think of as "License to shoot people who need killing as soon as they look at me cross-eyed."

Her point got lost in the "woe is me I'm white" bullshit I fucking emboldened, enlarged, and colored for you so maybe you'd read it. I see my efforts were futile as you're still an illiterate, useless, bloviating cunt.

Okay, that explains it. Now I understand what happened.

You lost her point as soon as you saw that last sentence, and so decided a -1 post was called for, because you saw only that sentence.

I did not forget everything else she said the moment I read the last sentence, and it didn't occur to me that you would have that short an attention span. Because that would be like someone reading one of your posts and forgetting everything else you said the moment you use the word "cunt." Although you might be happier if people did that more often, for all I know. It would explain why you do it so much- maybe it's like Men in Black and neuralyzers, only with bad logic and hyperventilating and "how DARE you!" canned outrage to keep out of the public eye, instead of aliens.

[TheHammer]

Honestly if you haven't gotten it already then you aren't going to. But I'll give it a shot. I'll bullet point so you don't have to try and comprehend and the same time you are reading - that seems to be a problem for you.

See, there were actually TWO points to be addressed.

[*] As Broom noted, there is a prevalent meme that "racism" is a perpetration of whites on to minority races.
[*] Whenever someone white talks about racism their comments are often dismissed because white people could never be victims of nor understand racism regardless of their personal life experiences.

The statement given that Zimmerman "'Can't be racist because he's hispanic" is proof of the premise for the first point.

Your asinine comments about "oppressed white people" are proof of the second. Which is what Simon was trying to tell you.

Oh man, that's better than I could have hoped for. The first is completely true. Of morons.

The second is just funny as hell, and is the "point" I chose to respond to. I use point in parentheses since it was just more of Broomies "woe is me" routine. But I digress. No, if the worst thing the white race has to put up with is having it assumed that they are the fount from which racism flows then they have it pretty fucking good. Which was my point. The one that sailed right over the heads of you retards.

I think Simon hit the nail on the head... Your "canned outrage" is fucking laughable. In fact, I find it hilarious that you chose to get tunnel vision on a throw away sarcastic comment as though it invalidates everything that was said. And it's even more hilarious how obvious you are to the fact that you continue to prove the very point broomstick was making.

[Flagg]

Her point got lost in the "woe is me I'm white" bullshit I fucking emboldened, enlarged, and colored for you so maybe you'd read it. I see my efforts were futile as you're still an illiterate, useless, bloviating cunt.

Okay, that explains it. Now I understand what happened.

You lost her point as soon as you saw that last sentence, and so decided a -1 post was called for, because you saw only that sentence.

I did not forget everything else she said the moment I read the last sentence, and it didn't occur to me that you would have that short an attention span. Because that would be like someone reading one of your posts and forgetting everything else you said the moment you use the word "cunt." Although you might be happier if people did that more often, for all I know. It would explain why you do it so much- maybe it's like Men in Black and neuralyzers, only with bad logic and hyperventilating and "how DARE you!" canned outrage to keep out of the public eye, instead of aliens.

I didn't lose shit, retard. She lost when she added that bullshit white mans burden garbage into her post. And just to prove you're a fucking retard, if you weren't permanently afflicted with head-up-ass syndrome and your baseless assumptions about my motivations for posting were correct, it would have been a +1 post, not a -1 post. Christ on a cracker you're a dumbshit.

Now, on to the next member of the League of Extraordinarily Stupid Gentlemen...

I think Simon hit the nail on the head... Your "canned outrage" is fucking laughable. In fact, I find it hilarious that you chose to get tunnel vision on a throw away sarcastic comment as though it invalidates everything that was said. And it's even more hilarious how obvious you are to the fact that you continue to prove the very point broomstick was making.

Do you have anything of substance to add or are you white knighting here? You seem to think you're somehow correct in this post (which is the very definition of a +1 post Simon, if you're paying attention) despite the fact that I never actually said the point she made in the early part of her ridiculous post was moot, simply that it got lost in her last bit of bullshit. If you cannot or will not understand that, then there's no help for you and I'm certainly not going to hold your hand and help you figure shit out.

[Thanas]

Hammerleinichen, Flagg, Jester - stop this crap.

Anybody who continues this will face consequences.

[Broomstick]

Why does his being Hispanic mean he can't possibly be racist?

Because there is a meme out there that ONLY white people can be racist, everyone else is an oppressed brown person. Brown people can't be racist towards each other, it would violate the physical laws of the universe. There is also a corollary that all white people are inherently and inescapably racist.

Personally, I think it's all just various flavors of bigotry. But then I'm white, so I must be wrong.

Oh the poor oppressed white people who are the single most privileged race in human history! Cry me a fucking river.

No, dumbshit, the point is that white folks don't have a monopoly on bigotry, and various other colors can be just as bigoted and oppressive towards various shades of human beings as any white person ever has been. But hey, just keep completely missing the point. Also, ya'll can keep missing that it was Zimmerman's father and not someone in this thread who first brought up the notion that he can't be prejudiced against a black man because he's Hispanic.

Reading comprehension. Ya'll might try it some time.

ETA: Did not see Thanas's comment before posting. Apologies if that was jumping the gun.

[Thanas]

ETA: Did not see Thanas's comment before posting. Apologies if that was jumping the gun.

You could have edited out your entire message, but I guess the temptation to get in a last shot was too hard for you to resist, huh?

I don't give a crap about your apologies. I also fail to see how you could miss a comment that was posted over 2 hours before your posts. You get a warning for disobeying mod orders.

[Thanas]

When one claims that she did not see the warning due to not reading the whole thread before replying nor using the preview function, one is to be given the benefit of the doubt. As such, the warning will be rescinded.

[Thanas]

Split and locked as ordered by Dalton.