AH-64 vs Ka-50

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which one will emerge victorious?

Ah-64
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Ka-50
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Vympel wrote:
Actually, they seem the same age- Mi-28N HAVOC-B made it's first flight in 1997- it's a generation ahead of the original. The Russian Army may prefer the HAVOC after all.

But fuck just hurry up and choose one!

Cobra? Bah! HIND-F!
Did Russia recently decommission its entire Hind-F fleet, leaving hundreds of well perserved aircraft ready for sale? I thought not.

The HAVOC-B is recent, however the basic design remains early 1980's. Still perfectly good though.
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People still fly Cobras?

Hell, my uncle's restoring a 1934 Ford...

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Coyote wrote:People still fly Cobras?

Hell, my uncle's restoring a 1934 Ford...

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The Cobra is still an excellent design (kinda poor-man's Apache), and it's getting a new face-lift in it's AH-1Z model.
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Coyote wrote:People still fly Cobras?

Hell, my uncle's restoring a 1934 Ford...

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The US Army was flying the things through the middle of 2002, and only retired them to save money. The US Marine corps still fly's them and is upgrading, and it looks like Turkey will be buying 50 AH-1Z's.
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Sea Skimmer wrote: The US Army was flying the things through the middle of 2002, and only retired them to save money. The US Marine corps still fly's them and is upgrading, and it looks like Turkey will be buying 50 AH-1Z's.
Aren't the Army Cobras a lot older?
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Oh, and I used by Sith powers to edit the title of this thread.

Apace designation is AH-64, not Ah-64.
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Vympel wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote: The US Army was flying the things through the middle of 2002, and only retired them to save money. The US Marine corps still fly's them and is upgrading, and it looks like Turkey will be buying 50 AH-1Z's.
Aren't the Army Cobras a lot older?

By a few years maybe. The oldest where phased out in favor of Apaches. However most where never upgraded very much and where basically obsolete. So while they had plenty of life left, without upgrades the money was thought to be better spent increasing the availability of the Apache fleet. It was a similar story with the UH-1's and UH-60's.

Problem is, the US doesn't have enough Apaches to fill all requirements, course that’s the story with a lot of aircraft. But it means a lot of units won't have attack battalions until RAH-66 shows up, and of course its being cut as well. While one Longbow Apache is easily worth a flight of TOW armed Cobras hunting armor, against soft targets its greatly inferior.
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The primary roles of Commanche are recon and "limited combat", not fighting against hordes of armour IIRC. Because of the budget cuts isn't the number of RAH-66s going to be quite low, at least compared to Apaches?


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Completely OT: Is that a Swedish soldier in your new avatar, Sea Skimmer? His BDU looks similar to the one used by their army.
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Oberleutnant wrote:The primary roles of Commanche are recon and "limited combat", not fighting against hordes of armour IIRC. Because of the budget cuts isn't the number of RAH-66s going to be quite low, at least compared to Apaches?


Thanks for answering the question Warspite and SS.

Completely OT: Is that a Swedish soldier in your new avatar, Sea Skimmer? His BDU looks similar to the one used by their army.
Even in the reduced form, the US Army will be getting more Commanche's then it has Apaches. Its limited in its armament without stub wings, but still much better then the OH-58, and with stub wings fitted its superior to a Cobra, up to 14 Hellfires vs. 8 TOW


I'm pretty sure he's Swedish, the missile system he has is a Swedish/UK project
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Sea Skimmer wrote: Even in the reduced form, the US Army will be getting more Commanche's then it has Apaches. Its limited in its armament without stub wings, but still much better then the OH-58, and with stub wings fitted its superior to a Cobra, up to 14 Hellfires vs. 8 TOW
But the US Army is buying 650 Commanches (for now, it might go further down), and has over 800 Apaches in inventory.
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