The father of France’s suspected killer, Mohammed Merah, has hired a lawyer to sue the French police over his son’s death.
"Mr. [Mohammed Benalal] Merah came to our office in Algiers yesterday to formally ask us to sue the French security services (RAID) for not having followed procedure during the attempt to arrest Mohamed Merah and his murderer," Algerian lawyer Zahia Mokhtari told AFP on Wednesday.
"Mr. Merah thinks that his son was murdered. He has asked us to file a complaint against the French security services. We will begin the procedure once the burial is completed." she added.
Mohammed’s family has requested Algerian authorities to allow his burial in the North African country, but the authorities have reportedly not agreed with the request yet.
On March 22, the 23-year-old Mohammed, was killed after the French security forces laid a 30-hour-plus-long siege on the place where he had been holed up. Authorities claim he had admitted to having links to al-Qaeda before his death, about which there are conflicting reports.
French officials initially said Merah jumped to his death out of a window of his hideout, while they revised their report later, saying that he was shot and killed by security forces.
Mohamed was suspected of killing a rabbi and his 3-year-old and 6-year-old sons in a shooting spree at a Jewish school in Toulouse. The school principal’s 10-year-old daughter was also killed in the incident that left a fifth person injured.
The French police have linked the attack to two other shootings days before Mohamed’s death, in which three soldiers of North African or Caribbean descent were killed.
Police sources say the same gun has been used in all the attacks and that the modus operandi of the killings indicates military training.
Didn't the guy shoot three cops during the standoff?
From where I'm standing it's a testament to the police and their restraint that he didn't get shot SOONER.
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Shot three police in the standoff, then came out of his bathroom firing at police, jumped out a window and was shot by a sniper. Total frame job.
In longer articles I've seen it said that basically the father has claimed at varying times that 1) police never negotiated with his son, 2) police could have incapacitated him with sleeping gas, 3) French intelligence agents may have set him up or otherwise made him shot people and they wanted to kill him to hide this 4) police should have just waited longer. It looks like he's now focusing mainly on the sleeping gas claim when he talks to the media; which I assume is a product of ignorance and grief since only Russia has ever used such gas in a stand off, and it killed a great many people.
Interestingly, a treaty exists between France and Algeria which allow for lawsuits to be filed in either country, but pursued in both nations courts so its possible that two different rulings will come out of this; though I doubt it.
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He's grieving for his son (poor guy) and will get laughed out of court.
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I don't see how the police has any obligation to launch into whatever outlandish schemes (sleeping gas? really?) and increase the risk to their own lives and those of further civilians by bothering to show restraint with a multiple-murderer.
A friend of mine also mentioned that the guy had gas masks prepared; is that correct? That would make it a non-issue anyway.
Furtermore, isn't the perpetrator's brother praising the asshole's actions?
Well, if he can actually PROVE police violated procedure, then good for him. It doesn't look like he'll be able to, though: if anything, the cops went to extreme lengths to NOT kill him outright.
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Anything, except facing the fact that he didn't do a very good parenting job. Just how many chanses to kill more people should the psyco been given?
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CJvR wrote:Anything, except facing the fact that he didn't do a very good parenting job. Just how many chanses to kill more people should the psyco been given?
If the French courts allow this case to go to trial, they should also allow the victims' families to sue this lunatic for fathering a terrorist and murderer.
Those gun nuts do not understand the meaning of "overkill," and will simply use weapon after weapon of mass destruction (WMD) until the monster is dead, or until they run out of weapons.
They have more WMD than there are monsters for us to fight. (More insanity here.)
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loomer wrote:Yes, because that'd be entirely just.
Are you being sarcastic towards the idea of the murder victims' families suing the alleged murderer, or towards the idea of the alleged murderer's father suing the police for shooting his son?
Those gun nuts do not understand the meaning of "overkill," and will simply use weapon after weapon of mass destruction (WMD) until the monster is dead, or until they run out of weapons.
They have more WMD than there are monsters for us to fight. (More insanity here.)
Sidewinder wrote:
Are you being sarcastic towards the idea of the murder victims' families suing the alleged murderer, or towards the idea of the alleged murderer's father suing the police for shooting his son?
You said:
Sidewinder wrote:
If the French courts allow this case to go to trial, they should also allow the victims' families to sue this lunatic for fathering a terrorist and murderer.
IE. that someone suing the police for breach of procedure means the French court system should allow victims to sue RANDOM PEOPLE for something their goddamned children did.
Why the fuck should this follow?
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Because some people think the Judicial System role is to allow revenge (and spread suffering) instead of trying to work to get people living together as peacefully and harmoniously as possible ? [+1 troll point]
Anyway, I'm not going to excuse the guy, but he is grieving the loss of his son, and, well, you know how it is.. Parents who refuse to believe their babies could have done such horrible things, or that somehow, there must be someone or something else than their son/daughter to blame. That's only human.
*shrug* We'll see where it goes, but I don't expect this to go really far. More likely, the court will examine the case, do some hearing to get both sides' versions, and ultimately it will result in a non-lieu ("nothing to see here, move on").
loomer wrote:Yes, because that'd be entirely just.
Are you being sarcastic towards the idea of the murder victims' families suing the alleged murderer, or towards the idea of the alleged murderer's father suing the police for shooting his son?
I just think your idea that the families should be able to sue the father is a crock of fucking shit. What justice would it accomplish? What goal would it serve (it won't serve any of the major functions in dealing with criminals since the perpetrator is fucking dead)?
It's a nasty piece of vindictiveness directed at a grieving father, and nothing else. That's what I'm being sarcastic about, you twat.
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PeZook wrote:IE. that someone suing the police for breach of procedure means the French court system should allow victims to sue RANDOM PEOPLE for something their goddamned children did.
Allowing victims to sue him for not following correct parenting procedure would be entirely in keeping with the spirit of EU human rights legislation. If they can prove he allowed his son to play with realistic toy guns or some similar henious act of child brainwashing, then unquestionably it was the father's fault.
It's a nasty piece of vindictiveness directed at a grieving father, and nothing else.
Seriously, said individual has exhibited precisely zero sympathy for the police and bystanders murdered by their spawn, so right now he gets an allocation of zero sympathy from me.
Starglider wrote:Seriously, said individual has exhibited precisely zero sympathy for the police and bystanders murdered by their spawn, so right now he gets an allocation of zero sympathy from me.
I won't deny the guy is a shithead, and on that I rather agree. However, as far as I know being a shithead isn't legally condemnable.
As long as he doesn't start holding discourses inciting hate or calling for acts of violence, that is. In this case it would justify legal pursuits.
Starglider wrote:Allowing victims to sue him for not following correct parenting procedure would be entirely in keeping with the spirit of EU human rights legislation. If they can prove he allowed his son to play with realistic toy guns or some similar henious act of child brainwashing, then unquestionably it was the father's fault.
Starglider wrote:Allowing victims to sue him for not following correct parenting procedure would be entirely in keeping with the spirit of EU human rights legislation. If they can prove he allowed his son to play with realistic toy guns or some similar henious act of child brainwashing, then unquestionably it was the father's fault.
What now? Explain yourself.
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PeZook wrote:IE. that someone suing the police for breach of procedure means the French court system should allow victims to sue RANDOM PEOPLE for something their goddamned children did.
Allowing victims to sue him for not following correct parenting procedure would be entirely in keeping with the spirit of EU human rights legislation. If they can prove he allowed his son to play with realistic toy guns or some similar henious act of child brainwashing, then unquestionably it was the father's fault.
It's a nasty piece of vindictiveness directed at a grieving father, and nothing else.
Seriously, said individual has exhibited precisely zero sympathy for the police and bystanders murdered by their spawn, so right now he gets an allocation of zero sympathy from me.
Are you fucking high, asshole? Prove it's in the spirit of the EU's human rights legislation right now. Find an actual source, too, and not 'well, it's clearly the intent'. While you're at it, find me proof that allowing a child to play with a toy gun is more likely to make them a violent terrorist when they grow up.
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evilsoup wrote:Are you seriously asking for a 'source' for a bit of sarcasm? What the hell would that even be?
Well, given starglider believes all sort of things about the eu (like how they are out to destroy the UK economy and finance sector) I am not so sure it was sarcasm. If it was, it was an extremely dumb attempt at it as only an idiot would find that funny so I'd rather think Starglider not to be an idiot and merely making a false statement gained from the torygraph.
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evilsoup wrote:Are you seriously asking for a 'source' for a bit of sarcasm? What the hell would that even be?
Well, some sort of logical argument based on sound premises would be a good start. Citing a legal case study or two might be even better!
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PeZook wrote:
IE. that someone suing the police for breach of procedure means the French court system should allow victims to sue RANDOM PEOPLE for something their goddamned children did.
Why the fuck should this follow?
My take is that he is saying if the courts allow one bullshit, then it should allow another unrelated bullshit (presumably in the interest of "fairness"). I could be wrong, but thats how I interpreted it. Before you go on, there are quite a few problems with both the premise and logic of what I believe he meant, so I am most likely going to agree with you.
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My take is that he is saying if the courts allow one bullshit, then it should allow another unrelated bullshit (presumably in the interest of "fairness"). I could be wrong, but thats how I interpreted it. Before you go on, there are quite a few problems with both the premise and logic of what I believe he meant, so I am most likely going to agree with you.
He's actually said about letting the suit "go to trial" (In an unrelated note, an American going all authoritative while thinking French courts use American legal procedure = gold). So it's not even about the court actually ruling in favor of the father, Sidewinder says that even CONSIDERING the lawsuit to have merit means the French have gone insane.
Too bad that if the guy can ACTUALLY PROVE a breach of procedure happened, then a ruling in his favor is exactly what should happen.
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It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small. - NEIL ARMSTRONG, MISSION COMMANDER, APOLLO 11
Signature dedicated to the greatest achievement of mankind.
MILDLY DERANGED PHYSICIST does not mind BREAKING the SOUND BARRIER, because it is INSURED. - Simon_Jester considering the problems of hypersonic flight for Team L.A.M.E.
