Ted Nugent: Free Speech or Death Threat?

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Destructionator XIII wrote:
Flagg wrote:You guys are ignoring how he said he'd "either be dead or in jail this time next year". For what exactly?
King Obama's extrajudicial execution and indefinite detention programs are something that should worry anyone who is concerned about liberty or tyranny, which happens to include people like Nugent.
Funny how he didn't seem that concerned when Chimpus Caesar was doing much of the same shit.

In other news, he keeps digging that hole deeper.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:Now... go forward to only 1798 when the US first found itself at war with someone other then Indians, the French, and the SEDITION ACT was passed which made sedition a crime in speech and print. However it expired in 1801 and was never used.
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Destructionator XIII wrote:
Flagg wrote:You guys are ignoring how he said he'd "either be dead or in jail this time next year". For what exactly?
King Obama's extrajudicial execution and indefinite detention programs are something that should worry anyone who is concerned about liberty or tyranny, which happens to include people like Nugent.
Do you consider Nugent's prediction realistic?
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Anyone know how Nugent felt about Whistleblowers when WikiLeaks was in the news?
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I have a question more out of curiousity than trying to form any serious argument. Could theoretically Nugent make the argument that his public persona is his stage persona for interviews like this where overdrama is AWESOME? An example of this concept being enacted would be someone like Stephen Colbert who never seems to be outside his stage persona whether he's on his show or not.
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Personally, I'm more inclined to believe that Nugent is mentally unbalanced (not necessarily dangerously so, just not entirely in touch with reality) more than malicious. That or he's just trying to sound like he's far tougher than he really is. He's pretty much always run his mouth, near as I can tell, and has never actually tried to hurt anyone. He's just a blow-hard that thinks his opinion counts for something. Hell, he may have pulled this to attention whore. And the best policy for attention whores is to ignore them when it's not your responsibility to deal with the shit they say.

IMO, the Secret Service should talk to him, tell him that shooting his mouth off like that makes him look bad at best, make sure he's simply shooting his mouth off, then kinda keep an eye on him. Odds are they'll simply talk to him and find that he's just talking big and doesn't actually have the balls to do shit. For all we know he could be threatening to off himself or refuse to obey laws that will result in jail time. His comment about "dead or in jail" is vague enough the odds of him being convicted of anything are miniscule.


Though I'd agree he does deserve to be knocked upside the head and told to knock it off with the tough guy schtick. It makes gun owners and Conservatives in general look bad when one of their more vocal public figures behaves like an angry teenager.
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Update to the story:
Seems the Secret Service Are going to have a little "meeting" for Ted to explain himself.
Rocker and gun rights champion Ted Nugent says he will meet with the Secret Service on Thursday to explain his raucous remarks about what he called Barack Obama's "evil, America-hating administration" — comments some critics interpreted as a threat against the president.

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"The conclusion will be obvious that I threatened no one," Nugent told radio interviewer Glenn Beck on Wednesday. Nugent said he'd been contacted by the agency and would cooperate fully even though he found the complaints "silly."

The controversy erupted after the self-styled "Motor City Madman" made an impassioned plea for support for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney during the National Rifle Association meeting in St. Louis last weekend. "We need to ride into that battlefield and chop their heads off in November," Nugent said of the Obama administration.

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He also included a cryptic pronouncement: "If Barack Obama becomes the next president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year."

Outraged Democrats circulated the remarks and suggested they were threatening. Secret Service spokesman George Ogilvie confirmed that the agency was looking into the matter but declined to give details. "We are aware of the incident and we are taking appropriate follow-up," Ogilvie said.

Nugent said he was simply trying to galvanize voters. The hard rocker, best known for '70s hits like "Cat Scratch Fever," is a conservative activist and has a history of heated and sometimes vulgar criticism of Obama. Nugentendorsed Romney after speaking to him last month.

Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz called on Romney to "condemn Nugent's violent and hateful rhetoric."

Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul addressed the issue with a brief statement: "Divisive language is offensive no matter what side of the political aisle it comes from. Mitt Romney believes everyone needs to be civil."
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First of all, there's the Brandenberg vs Ohio case from 1969:
Appellant, a Ku Klux Klan leader, was convicted under the Ohio Criminal Syndicalism statute for "advocat[ing] . . . the duty, necessity, or propriety of crime, sabotage, violence, or unlawful methods of terrorism as a means of accomplishing industrial or political reform" and for "voluntarily assembl[ing] with any society, group or assemblage of persons formed to teach or advocate the doctrines of criminal syndicalism." Neither the indictment nor the trial judge's instructions refined the statute's definition of the crime in terms of mere advocacy not distinguished from incitement to imminent lawless action. Held: Since the statute, by its words and as applied, purports to punish mere advocacy and to forbid, on pain of criminal punishment, assembly with others merely to advocate the described type of action, it falls within the condemnation of the First and Fourteenth Amendments. Freedoms of speech and press do not permit a State to forbid advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action. Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 , overruled.

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Second, for all Nugent's bluster he's really just a sad, pathetic little pussy who likes to play the tough guy, so I doubt he would ever have the nerve to follow through on his tough talk, for reasons Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian spell out in this video:



A guy who literally shit his pants before facing the draft board isn't a threat to anyone.
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I'm more worried about the slackjaws standing around nodding their heads in agreement to everything Nugent was saying.
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purhaps he's got some degenerate condition from all those under aged groopies?
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Flagg wrote:I'm more worried about the slackjaws standing around nodding their heads in agreement to everything Nugent was saying.
Dude, it's a boarder line geriatric has been rocker who hasn't been musically relevant since I was in kindergarten spouting shit in an attempt to try and gain some publicity for his ass. That's all. For fuck's sake, we're talking about a guy who's so far gone musically that he spent the last twenty years playing up the "wildman" card doing lame, laughable, and occasionally dangerous hunting sows in order to make a buck. It's a cry for fucking help and the best the Secret Service could do to screw Nugent over this is just publicly state it was yet another false alarm case and let the motherfucker fade back into obscurity.


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So, how long until the media starts blasting Romney for actively seeking out and recruiting a serial paedophile to be a front man for him?
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