ST vs. DS1

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-03-07 07:39pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:What about a microtorp?

Fuck knows. We've never seen a microtorp to my knowledge; they may not even be canon.

Captain Jack · Post by **Captain Jack** » 2003-03-07 07:55pm

KhyronTheBackstabber wrote:Wouldn’t Trek torps just impact on the surface even if they managed to bulls eye the exhaust port, because the torps are too big? I thought I saw Wong say something about this somewere on the main site.

This is DW take on the issue.
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/index.html

Captain Jack · Post by **Captain Jack** » 2003-03-07 07:58pm

Fuck I screwed up with the link.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-03-07 08:08pm

Howedar wrote:
Admiral Johnason wrote:What about a microtorp?
Fuck knows. We've never seen a microtorp to my knowledge; they may not even be canon.

They were used in several episodes of DS9. I think the one with the shruken runabout shows them firing them.

Captain Jack · Post by **Captain Jack** » 2003-03-07 08:11pm

Quote from the battles page to fix my screwup.

A third serious problem involves maneuverability. While we witnessed Luke's torpedo execute a hard turn in ANH requiring many tens of thousands of g's of acceleration, we've never witnessed such maneuverability from a photon torpedo. Photorp turning circles are in the range of hundreds of metres or even several kilometres, not one or two metres. They've never demonstrated the ability to execute anything remotely like the ANH maneuver, which was a 90 degree turn inside a turning circle of one metre.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-03-07 08:17pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:This thread has been done before, many times. One of the theortical battles in the battles area already answered this. Actually, I thought a couple of runabouts could pull off a successful trench run using micro quantom torps, if those have been invented. However, I could be wrong.

No it couldn't. Without the "Rebels? HA!" Tarkin thinking, all Tie Fighters would launch. The Runabouts would die. And the torpedoes can't turn.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-03-07 08:25pm

True, he might consider them alien and attempt to wipe them out in one swift storke.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-03-07 09:04pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:What about a microtorp?

It wouldn't eminiate the threats of the runabouts being destroyed by the surface cannons and TIE fighters, making it to the exhaust port, and firing the torps at the right time.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-03-07 10:56pm

Batman wrote:
Ender wrote:
McNum wrote:Speaking of the Trench Run. Is that a requirement?
More ort less, yeah. If they had come in from straight above the port, then almosty all the weaponry on that hemisphere can target them. If they come in via the trench, they only have to worry about a few turrets and TIES.
Um-all the weaponry on that hemisphere should be able to target them while they make their dive for the beginning of the trench.

The Death Star is a bloody sphere, so no matter what surface feature they're going for half the DS's weapons should have a clean line of fire until they get there

You can manuver getting into the trench, but have to stay in a straight line for that kind of bombing run dumbass.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-03-08 08:11am

Even if a feddie mini q-torp got in would it do anything? What is the power difference between even a conventional feddie torp and the torps that an X-Wing carries?

JodoForce · Post by **JodoForce** » 2003-03-08 01:00pm

Maybe they can rig up something incredible to just beam the torp into the core :rolleyes:

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2003-03-08 03:24pm

JodoForce wrote:Maybe they can rig up something incredible to just beam the torp into the core :rolleyes:

I have actually heard this argument in a debate before.

Of course, the guy also believed that a single Galaxy Class starship could destroy a planet like the Death Star just by useing its phasers to drill to the planets core.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-03-08 04:38pm

How can drilling to the core of a planet cause it to blow? I meqan sure its a great way to make new volcanoes but still blowing it up???

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2003-03-08 07:33pm

Typhonis 1 wrote:How can drilling to the core of a planet cause it to blow? I meqan sure its a great way to make new volcanoes but still blowing it up???

Because his Geography teacher said it would.

Seriously though, I left the debate after he brought out that little gem. I should have known better then to debate this guy. He thought that Han Solos "point 5 past Light Speed" remark meant that the Falcon was only capable of 1.5c.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-03-08 07:52pm

Darth Pounder wrote:Even if a feddie mini q-torp got in would it do anything? What is the power difference between even a conventional feddie torp and the torps that an X-Wing carries?

Since the core was not supposed to ever come under attack, it does not seem likely that it would be shielded beyond whatever may be necessary to protect the crew.

Galaxy · Post by **Galaxy** » 2003-03-09 01:26am

Where the hell do you get trek torps not being able to turn? And is everyone forgetting the peregrine fighters that the feds have? A few dozen Peregrines would beat the shit outta the entire death star fighter compliment.
This is just another bias debate. Have fun lying to yourselves.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-03-09 01:32am

Final solution, everyone.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-03-09 01:33am

Galaxy wrote:Where the hell do you get trek torps not being able to turn? And is everyone forgetting the peregrine fighters that the feds have? A few dozen Peregrines would beat the shit outta the entire death star fighter compliment.
This is just another bias debate. Have fun lying to yourselves.

SUPER POKE OF IMPENDING DOOM

If you had read correctly, the torps can not manuver WELL enought to hit the target. Second, a runabout is superior to a pergrine on most respects. Please don't question those who know what is being said. This padawan needs a master boys.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-03-09 01:54am

Galaxy wrote:Where the hell do you get trek torps not being able to turn? And is everyone forgetting the peregrine fighters that the feds have? A few dozen Peregrines would beat the shit outta the entire death star fighter compliment.
This is just another bias debate. Have fun lying to yourselves.

Hey, it's Galaxy! Haven't reared your head in while.

Anyway, you do realize that the DS had thousands of fighters, right? Assuming just 20% accuracy on the part of the TIEs, that's still 200x shots, with x being the number of thousands of fighters. Peregrines can't avoid those shots forever, not while the surface guns are firing as well.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-03-09 02:21am

am begining to think that Galaxy is one of those ople that is against this site. Galaxy, do you work for ayone? Prehaps he is one of Darkstar's lackys.

Galaxy · Post by **Galaxy** » 2003-03-09 06:24am

yeah i know... the death star has 7,000 tie fighters. I know about everything you know people. Except i'm not bias or brainwashed.

I'm not a darkstar lacky, but he must be a jolly good fellow if you people don't like him.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-03-09 06:29am

Galaxy wrote:yeah i know... the death star has 7,000 tie fighters. I know about everything you know people. Except i'm not bias or brainwashed.

No, you're a mindless brainwashed troilling dumbfuck who makes up his own calcs without support.

I'm not a darkstar lacky, but he must be a jolly good fellow if you people don't like him.

Why hasn't this dumbfuck been VI'd yet?

Post by **AdmiralKanos** » 2003-03-09 06:34am

Vympel wrote:Why hasn't this dumbfuck been VI'd yet?

That omission has been rectified.

Galaxy · Post by **Galaxy** » 2003-03-09 06:34am

VI'd?
i dunno bout that but my manners certainly aren't any worse than yours

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-03-09 06:35am

Galaxy wrote:VI'd?
i dunno bout that but my manners certainly aren't any worse than yours

It's not about manners, dumb-fuck. It's about people who debate like children, by simply repeating their beliefs when challenged instead of properly addressing rebuttals.