The Acceptability of Using Disabilities to Insult

[Ford Prefect]

There is no history of violence behind it.

Go look up Buck v Bell, then you get back to me about the mentally ill and violence.

[Flagg]

There is no history of violence behind it.

Go look up Buck v Bell, then you get back to me about the mentally ill and violence.

Do your own work. You want to make an argument then fucking make it. And prove that the word retard is a loaded term that incites violence.

[Losonti Tokash]

That's fucking bullshit. I specifically said multiple times it helps normalize an attitude of derision for people with a developmental disability and it does have a history of violence and hate behind it. I literally cannot fathom how you think a slur referring to people that historically have been the victims of genocide and forced sterilizations and continue to be widely victimized by violence, rape, and other forms of discrimination doesn't have a negative history.

Here, since you're fucking lazy as balls:

Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927), was the United States Supreme Court ruling that upheld a statute instituting compulsory sterilization of the unfit, including the mentally retarded, "for the protection and health of the state." It was largely seen as an endorsement of negative eugenics—the attempt to improve the human race by eliminating "defectives" from the gene pool.

[Thanas]

Maybe a better question would be if using "retard" is as offensive as "cocksucker" or other derogatory terms for gays? Is it as offensive as if I would say "suck my dick" to someone?

[Flagg]

That's fucking bullshit. I specifically said multiple times it helps normalize an attitude of derision for people with a developmental disability and it does have a history of violence and hate behind it. I literally cannot fathom how you think a slur referring to people that historically have been the victims of genocide and forced sterilizations and continue to be widely victimized by violence, rape, and other forms of discrimination doesn't have a negative history.

Here, since you're fucking lazy as balls:

Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927), was the United States Supreme Court ruling that upheld a statute instituting compulsory sterilization of the unfit, including the mentally retarded, "for the protection and health of the state." It was largely seen as an endorsement of negative eugenics—the attempt to improve the human race by eliminating "defectives" from the gene pool.

Yeah, that's horrible. And exactly what does it have to do with calling someone a retard as an insult? How does me calling you a retard make me a bigot? Face it, if retard is a bigoted word then so is idiot.

Edit: Oh, and lazy is telling me to go look something up rather than taking the time to post it for all to see.

[Flagg]

Maybe a better question would be if using "retard" is as offensive as "cocksucker" or other derogatory terms for gays? Is it as offensive as if I would say "suck my dick" to someone?

Well both of those terms can be used to describe a woman. Society doesn't seem to view either of those statements as bigoted. But there is an equal case for those terms to be considered bigoted against gays as retard is against the mentally disabled.

[Losonti Tokash]

"Retard isn't a hateful word."
"Uh, yeah it is. It's pretty fucking horrible to say to anybody, particularly anybody with a developmental disability."
"Well, uh...there's no history of violence behind it!"
"Bullfuckingshit, they've been murdered and sterilized in huge numbers for being who they are."
"Well, it's not hateful!"

[Flagg]

BTW, here's the definition of bigot:

big·ot
   [big-uht]
noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

Oddly the mentally disabled don't seem to fall under any of those categories. So it would seem it's impossible to be bigoted against the mentally handicapped. Not to say that you can't be a total cunt about them.

[Losonti Tokash]

Gee, according to yet another of your pedantic, cherry picked definitions that completely ignores commonly accepted uses of a term, it is also impossible to be a bigot against racial minorities.

Edit: Or women! Or gays!

I'm sorry we're telling you that your inalienable right to be a total asshole makes you, in fact, a total asshole.

[Flagg]

"Retard isn't a hateful word."
"Uh, yeah it is. It's pretty fucking horrible to say to anybody, particularly anybody with a developmental disability."
"Well, uh...there's no history of violence behind it!"
"Bullfuckingshit, they've been murdered and sterilized in huge numbers for being who they are."
"Well, it's not hateful!"

You're a dishonest shitwit, you know that? Retard isn't a hateful word and it doesn't incite violence the way racial and homophobic epithets do. Your entire argument is that it makes the mentally disabled feel bad.

[Flagg]

Gee, according to yet another of your pedantic, cherry picked definitions that completely ignores commonly accepted uses of a term, it is also impossible to be a bigot against racial minorities.

Edit: Or women! Or gays!

I'm sorry we're telling you that your inalienable right to be a total asshole makes you, in fact, a total asshole.

My bad, I didn't see the rest of the definition.

a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race

Still nothing about the mentally disabled.

[Losonti Tokash]

"Retard isn't a hateful word."
"Uh, yeah it is. It's pretty fucking horrible to say to anybody, particularly anybody with a developmental disability."
"Well, uh...there's no history of violence behind it!"
"Bullfuckingshit, they've been murdered and sterilized in huge numbers for being who they are."
"Well, it's not hateful!"

You're a dishonest shitwit, you know that? Retard isn't a hateful word and it doesn't incite violence the way racial and homophobic epithets do. Your entire argument is that it makes the mentally disabled feel bad.

It's a word used to hurt people. It's a word used to incite violence and ridicule against a particular group. How is it not hateful just because you're a douchebag?

PS your extended definition still doesn't include gays or women, guess it's impossible to be bigoted against them too. But yeah, thanks for letting us know that the dictionary and popular media are the arbiters of what is and is not acceptable.

[Flagg]

Gee, according to yet another of your pedantic, cherry picked definitions that completely ignores commonly accepted uses of a term, it is also impossible to be a bigot against racial minorities.

Edit: Or women! Or gays!

I'm sorry we're telling you that your inalienable right to be a total asshole makes you, in fact, a total asshole.

You have utterly failed to prove your point.

Either admit that the word idiot is as offensive as the word retard or concede.

[Losonti Tokash]

Gee, according to yet another of your pedantic, cherry picked definitions that completely ignores commonly accepted uses of a term, it is also impossible to be a bigot against racial minorities.

Edit: Or women! Or gays!

I'm sorry we're telling you that your inalienable right to be a total asshole makes you, in fact, a total asshole.

You have utterly failed to prove your point.

Either admit that the word idiot is as offensive as the word retard or concede.

It's not. It doesn't get used the same way at all, it doesn't have the same connotation, it doesn't get shouted at people with a developmental disability as they're walking down the street or being beaten/raped. Retard does.

[Flagg]

"Retard isn't a hateful word."
"Uh, yeah it is. It's pretty fucking horrible to say to anybody, particularly anybody with a developmental disability."
"Well, uh...there's no history of violence behind it!"
"Bullfuckingshit, they've been murdered and sterilized in huge numbers for being who they are."
"Well, it's not hateful!"

You're a dishonest shitwit, you know that? Retard isn't a hateful word and it doesn't incite violence the way racial and homophobic epithets do. Your entire argument is that it makes the mentally disabled feel bad.

It's a word used to hurt people. It's a word used to incite violence and ridicule against a particular group. How is it not hateful just because you're a douchebag?

Who uses retard to incite violence against the mentally disabled? And of course it's used to hurt people. All insults are.

PS your extended definition still doesn't include gays or women, guess it's impossible to be bigoted against them too.

No, it does. You must be too retarded to understand that when it says "esp" it's inclusive not exclusive.

[Losonti Tokash]

Who uses retard to incite violence against the mentally disabled? And of course it's used to hurt people. All insults are.

This is an insult aimed at a specific group for a trait they have no control over and does not reflect upon their value as a human being.

PS your extended definition still doesn't include gays or women, guess it's impossible to be bigoted against them too.

No, it does. You must be too retarded to understand that when it says "esp" it's inclusive not exclusive.

Then that means it can include people with a developmental disability, dumbass.

[Flagg]

Gee, according to yet another of your pedantic, cherry picked definitions that completely ignores commonly accepted uses of a term, it is also impossible to be a bigot against racial minorities.

Edit: Or women! Or gays!

I'm sorry we're telling you that your inalienable right to be a total asshole makes you, in fact, a total asshole.

You have utterly failed to prove your point.

Either admit that the word idiot is as offensive as the word retard or concede.

It's not. It doesn't get used the same way at all, it doesn't have the same connotation, it doesn't get shouted at people with a developmental disability as they're walking down the street or being beaten/raped. Retard does.

It has the same meaning so it must be just as bad, right? Is bitch now a bigoted word? Because women are called that while walking down the street or being beaten/raped.

[Losonti Tokash]

Yeah, actually, bitch is a misogynist word. Good job.

[Flagg]

Who uses retard to incite violence against the mentally disabled? And of course it's used to hurt people. All insults are.

This is an insult aimed at a specific group for a trait they have no control over and does not reflect upon their value as a human being.

So is bitch, cunt, whore...

PS your extended definition still doesn't include gays or women, guess it's impossible to be bigoted against them too.

No, it does. You must be too retarded to understand that when it says "esp" it's inclusive not exclusive.

Then that means it can include people with a developmental disability, dumbass.

True.

[Flagg]

Yeah, actually, bitch is a misogynist word. Good job.

So we can include bitch on the list of los's no-no words?

[Losonti Tokash]

So is bitch, cunt, whore...

Yeah, and people shouldn't use those either. Holy fuckin shit.

Then that means it can include people with a developmental disability, dumbass.

True.

So then that was a complete waste of time and accomplished nothing other than to be amazingly pedantic yet again. Awesome!

[Flagg]

So is bitch, cunt, whore...

Yeah, and people shouldn't use those either. Holy fuckin shit.

So basically your custom title should be miss manners.

[Losonti Tokash]

So is bitch, cunt, whore...

Yeah, and people shouldn't use those either. Holy fuckin shit.

So basically your custom title should be miss manners.

I am grievously wounded by your assertion that I don't feel the need to degrade human beings based on qualities that have nothing to do with who they are.

[Ford Prefect]

Maybe a better question would be if using "retard" is as offensive as "cocksucker" or other derogatory terms for gays? Is it as offensive as if I would say "suck my dick" to someone?

I'm not sure it's really helpful to come to these sorts of conclusions. 'Who has it worse' is a pretty morbid question to ask, and when you consider the implied inverse I don't think it would be a very comfortable one.

[Flagg]

I am grievously wounded by your assertion that I don't feel the need to degrade human beings based on qualities that have nothing to do with who they are.

Why are you on this board which not only tolerates, but celebrates insulting people, miss manners?