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Eagle Scout Challenges Boy Scouts' Anti-Gay Policy

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Eagle Scout Zach Wahls challenged the Boy Scouts of America's anti-gay policy today when he delivered three boxes of petitions demanding change, signed by more than 275,000 people.

Wahls, 20, presented the petitions during the Boy Scouts' National Annual Meeting in Orlando, Fla., on behalf of Jennifer Tyrrell, an Ohio mom who was removed as the den leader of her 7-year-old son's Cub Scout troop in April because of her sexual orientation. The Boy Scouts are the parent organization of the Cub Scouts.

Wahls is the author of "My Two Moms" and a video of his three-minute speech before Iowa legislators urging them not to pass a constitutional amendment that would ban gay marriage and civil unions went viral in February.

The Change.org petition called for Tyrrell's reinstatement and a change in policy for the organization.
"It is time for the Boy Scouts of America to reconsider its policy of exclusivity against gay youth and leaders," the petition reads. "Please sign this petition to call for an end of discrimination in an organization that is shaping the future."

The petition has garnered support from celebrities including Ellen DeGeneres, Julianne Moore, Ricky Martin, Jesse Tyler Ferguson and "Hunger Games" star Josh Hutcherson among others.

After delivering the petitions, Wahls met privately with three Boy Scout representatives.
"It went well. It was an honest conversation, but a productive one," Wahls told ABCNews.com today. "The fact that the meeting happened is a really positive indicator."

Wahls said the Boy Scout leaders were "receptive" of his ideas and he believes the conversation is a positive first step in overcoming cultural prejudices.
"It's a dialogue that continues to be difficult for many people," he said. "But the members of our community are the ones that pay the price, not the organization as a whole."

Following the meeting, the Boy Scouts released a statement that said they have "no plans" to change their policy.
"The Boy Scouts of America teaches its members to treat those with different opinions with courtesy and respect at all times," Deron Smith, BSA director of public relations, said in a statement. "Today, Scouting officials accepted signatures from an online petition and shared the purpose of its membership policy."

"Scouting maintains that is youth development program is not the appropriate environment to introduce or discuss, in any way, same-sex attraction," he wrote. "Parents and caregivers should have the right to decide when and how to discuss the issue with their children."
Wahls is not deterred by the statement.

"President Obama said the exact same thing up until the day he endorsed same-sex marriage. I expect we'll see a similar progression from the Boy Scouts," he said. "Obviously, this is a very long-standing policy and I don't think it we'll see a change today, this week or even this year. But over the coming months, we'll continue to take steps in this evolution."

Tyrrell, 32, was not in Florida for the delivery of the petitions, but will join Wahls at the GLAAD Media Awards in San Francisco on Saturday. She told ABCNews.com she is grateful for all of the support.

"I didn't expect it, of course," she said. "It's been humbling. It's been terrifying. It's been exciting. It's been a whole bag of mixed emotions."
Tyrrell started the petition when she was removed from her year-long position as den leader because of her sexuality.
"I actually felt devastated. I was heartbroken. I cried a lot. I still feel sad about it a lot," she said. "It's 2012 and nobody deserved to be treated like that."
She said that all of this is mostly sad for her 7-year-old son Cruz who is missing out on all of the positive elements of the Boy Scouts.

When asked if Cruz understands what is happening and that one of his moms has become the face of a movement, Tyrrell said, "To the extent of his ability, he knows what's going on. He's kind of like, 'Boo the Boy Scouts.' He doesn't understand discrimination. He's never been taught that. He doesn't see people by the color of their skin or who they love. He just loves everyone and doesn't understand how others couldn't."
On the one hand, American Boy Scouts have been dominated by Religious groups for ages that often try to indoctrinate young kinds into a christian mindset. Many other large institution are allowing gays in with no problems, and we aren't seeing armageddon.
On the OTHER Hand, it IS a private institution, as much as I hate to admit it.
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*shrug* Scouts Canada has no issue with them. They can either adapt or die out, fuck'em if they don't want to live in the 21st century.
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Crossroads Inc. wrote:On the OTHER Hand, it IS a private institution, as much as I hate to admit it.
On the gripping hand, it is a private institution that frequently uses public space and accepts public money, so they can put up or shut up.
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Around six years ago when i was working on my eagle, after completing the service project, I was interviewed by the scoutmaster and some other parents, part of the interview process asked me about what I would change in scouting. I mentioned that I was unhappy with the degree of homophobia and the influence that religion had over the organization.

This was in a relatively liberal area, so I thought I could speak my piece. Turns out the scoutmaster was a reactionary twit, and manufactured an excuse with another parent to decline my application. I ended up contesting it to the local council and got the badge.

Yay.

Today, that badge doesn't mean anything about scouting to me. It makes me proud of the service project I planned years ago, the other ways I helped the community through the program, and it makes me glad that I stuck to my guns. But I didn't do anything like Zach Wahls did.

It's a brave thing to do, especially when confronting an institution that is so widespread, and traditionally well-regarded.

Best of luck to him, and I wish I'd been louder years ago.
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On the OTHER Hand, it IS a private institution, as much as I hate to admit it.

The Boy Scout National Jamboree is held on a army base, at taxpayers expense.
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Other than creating a "Boy Scouts and Guides living in the the 21th century" branch, I think there is little to do. Regardless of how much money they receive they have no obbligation to change their mind.

Hell, here in Italy there is AGESCI, an acronym where the "C" stands for catholic, and the CNGEI, where they don't give a shit about religion.
Not that most AGESCI scouts give a shit about religion either, it just means they go to Mass every now and then.

A funny sidenote Wikipedia quotes a guy that speculates about the movement's founder repressed homosexuality.
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Crossroads Inc wrote:On the one hand, American Boy Scouts have been dominated by Religious groups for ages that often try to indoctrinate young kinds into a christian mindset. Many other large institution are allowing gays in with no problems, and we aren't seeing armageddon.
I was a Boy Scout in the mid 80s and early 90s outside of Philadelphia (Troop 219, Wayne, Pennsylvania). The troop was (and still is) attached to the Catholic grade school I attended for 8 years. Aside from the mention of "God" in the Oath (that part of which I eventually stopped saying and was never called on it) and the troop's occasional attendance at the school's church when an activity happened to fall on a Sunday, there was never any overt or implied religious content or teachings. I don't even recall attending a mass during summer camp. Perhaps it was the area (hardly the Bible Belt) and the times and things may well be different now, but there wasn't a whole lot of God talk back then.
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We always had a non-demonominational chapel at summer camps, and services were available for anyone who could be bothered to attend.

When I stood for my Eagle Board, I was told that I had it in the bag and the only possible way to screw up at this point was to say I was gay or say I was an atheist. That is the only time I remember any sort of discrimination. Then agian, I live in a liberal bastion. And if anyone in my Troop was gay, they never told me, so it's possible I simply never encountered it.

Good for this kid. I wish him the best of luck.
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