Crazed naked canibal eating live man's face shot by Miami PD

[Broomstick]

The only reason there is a market for this stuff in the first place is because of 'the war on drugs' creating artificial price inflation of better known substances.

The insanity will continue as long as the US insists on wasting its and everyone elses resources on something that cannot be won.

The US has no control over Russian drug laws and never has, so why the hell are you laying krokodil on America's doorstep? That shit got started in Siberia in the early '00's, it has nothing to do with any country in the western hemisphere.

I just wish it didn't exist at all.

[Sea Skimmer]

It was voodoo! Or maybe drugs.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... oodoo?lite
Girlfriend of face-eating attacker blames drugs or voodoo
By Karen Yi, NBCMiami.com
May 31, 2012, 8:54 pm
MSN.com

Miami-Dade Police Dept. / AP This photo from the Miami-Dade Police Department shows Rudy Eugene, 31, who was shot and killed by police.
The girlfriend of the face-eating attacker who mauled off most of another man’s face said her boyfriend was either unknowingly drugged or placed under a voodoo curse.

She told the Miami Herald the attacker, identified as 31-year-old Rudy Eugene, was “sweet and well-mannered.” The girlfriend, who asked that her name not be disclosed, said she was shocked to hear her boyfriend was the man everyone was calling the “Miami Zombie.”

“Something happened out of the ordinary that day. I don’t want him to be labeled the Miami Zombie,” she told the Herald. “He was a person. I don’t want him to go down like that.”

Read the original story at NBCMiami.com

Eugene was fatally shot by an officer as he chewed off more than 80 percent of a homeless man’s face. The victim, identified as 65-year-old Ronald Poppo, remains in critical condition at Jackson Memorial Hospital.

The Jackson Memorial Foundation said Thursday that it has set up a fund to help Poppo through its website, www.jmf.org.

Surveillance videos captured by security cameras at the Miami Herald building show Eugene walking on a pedestrian bridge near MacArthur Causeway Saturday and encountering his victim.


Handout / Reuters Ronald Poppo, who was savagely mauled by another man, is seen in a photo released by the Miami-Dade Police Department.
In the nearly 20-minute attack, Eugene dragged Poppo along the sidewalk and ripped his clothes off, the video showed.

Authorities said when the officer, identified as Jose Rivera, arrived, he was forced to open fire and kill Eugene when he continued to savagely attack Poppo’s face. Officials said Eugene growled at the officer and kept eating at the man’s face.

Eugene’s girlfriend said she was hysterical when she heard it was her boyfriend who had attacked the man on MacArthur Causeway.

“I thought to myself, ‘Oh my God, that’s crazy,’ she told the Herald. “I didn’t know that it was Rudy.”

She said Eugene was never violent around her and though he smoked marijuana, didn’t use stronger drugs, the newspaper said.

Records showed Eugene was arrested for a variety of charges between 2004 and 2008, including battery and trespassing. He also served time for selling and possessing marijuana.

The girlfriend said the day he died Eugene kissed her goodbye, told her "I love you" and left early in the morning with his Bible in his hand.

She said Eugene, who worked at a car wash, would always read the Bible to her and carried it with him everywhere.

Eugene's brother told NBC 6 Wednesday that he was also a little shocked when he heard about what happened.

“Pretty uncharacteristic of him. It was real weird – kind of mixed emotions, I think,” said the brother, who only gave his first name, Thompson. “Through the whole thing I was mostly thinking about my mom.”

Eugene's girlfriend said though she’s never believed in voodoo, she does now.

“I don’t know how else to explain this,” she told the Herald.

The Jackson Memorial Foundation said those interested in contributing to Poppo's fund should click the "Take Action Now" tab on its site, then click donations, select "others" under contribution details, and type in Ronald Poppo.

Checks made out to Jackson Memorial Foundation can also be mailed to Jackson Memorial Foundation, Park Plaza East, Suite G, 901 NW 17th Street, Miami, FL 33136.

[NettiWelho]

The US has no control over Russian drug laws and never has

Personal drug use in soviet union was not punishable until soviets adopted the UN conventions on narcotics pushed by US. And, if I remember right the soviets were given some political leeway with some other issues for backing US on this.

Also, United States has threatened smaller countries unwilling to buy into their scheme by blackmailing them with trade blacklisting, Finland, for example only criminalized cannabis possession in 1970's by parlamentary vote(which was a tie -> "randomed yes" by ballot box draw.) only after the US ambassador had some closed door talks with the cabinet.

Same with anyone talking about legalizing, they get pressured by US to stay the course.

Thus, United States is responsible for human suffering caused by their extremist policies imposed by them on other countries. (If it wasnt for US policies, there WOULDNT BE A MEXICAN DRUG WAR.)

so why the hell are you laying krokodil on America's doorstep? That shit got started in Siberia in the early '00's, it
has nothing to do with any country in the western hemisphere.

When you criminalize less harmful substances you also move their sources of supply to organized crime also trading in more harmul substances. Meaning in order to obtain the said less harmful substances you need to solicit people who will also try to make you try the more harmful stuff.

One could for example legalize cannabis and after production costs(which are less than 1$ per gram) add 50% profit margin and on top of that add 50% tax and still undercut the current black market prices by a metric fuckton.

That said krokodil does differ a bit in that all the precursor substances are legally available, but still, the safer stuff remains illegal.

[Broomstick]

The US has no control over Russian drug laws and never has

Personal drug use in soviet union was not punishable until soviets adopted the UN conventions on narcotics pushed by US. And, if I remember right the soviets were given some political leeway with some other issues for backing US on this.

That's called "negotiation". If the Russians didn't want to pass drug laws they didn't have to.

Thus, United States is responsible for human suffering caused by their extremist policies imposed by them on other countries. (If it wasnt for US policies, there WOULDNT BE A MEXICAN DRUG WAR.)

Yeah, yeah, yeah -the US is responsible for everything bad/wrong with the world. We're not talking about Mexico on this point, we're talking abut RUSSIA.

Russia has long had a problem with drug use. Don't blame the US for what has been a problem of the human race since someone first fermented stuff in to beer and mead.

so why the hell are you laying krokodil on America's doorstep? That shit got started in Siberia in the early '00's, it
has nothing to do with any country in the western hemisphere.

When you criminalize less harmful substances you also move their sources of supply to organized crime also trading in more harmul substances....[snip]...That said krokodil does differ a bit in that all the precursor substances are legally available, but still, the safer stuff remains illegal.

Opium poppies grow wild throughout Europe and Asia, just like marijuana is a weed in the Americas. Getting psychoactive substances from either raw plant is trivially easy. I've met three current/former addicts from Russia who used to grow their own. On top of that, codeine is OTC in those regions and you can get high off of that and addicted. If Russia really was copying US drug laws verbatim codeine wouldn't be OTC. I don't know how people got into fucked up shit like krokodil but please, get a grip. Not every bad drug thing is because of Evil America - the Siberians cooked this bad idea up on their own.

[Enigma]

<snip>
Opium poppies grow wild throughout Europe and Asia, just like marijuana is a weed in the Americas. Getting psychoactive substances from either raw plant is trivially easy. I've met three current/former addicts from Russia who used to grow their own. On top of that, codeine is OTC in those regions and you can get high off of that and addicted. If Russia really was copying US drug laws verbatim codeine wouldn't be OTC. I don't know how people got into fucked up shit like krokodil but please, get a grip. Not every bad drug thing is because of Evil America - the Siberians cooked this bad idea up on their own.

If I may be a semantics whore, the main ingredient in krokodil is Desomorphine, an opiate analog invented in the '30s in the U.S.. If there was no Desomorphine then there's no krokodil.........

Bah, that's stretching it but then again some might actually be serious and make that claim.

[CaptHawkeye]

The zombie sensationalism this murder has started is amazing. Nerds everywhere are collectively jizzing their pants at the idea of going into a world where they won't have to learn real social skills!

[Broomstick]

<snip>
Opium poppies grow wild throughout Europe and Asia, just like marijuana is a weed in the Americas. Getting psychoactive substances from either raw plant is trivially easy. I've met three current/former addicts from Russia who used to grow their own. On top of that, codeine is OTC in those regions and you can get high off of that and addicted. If Russia really was copying US drug laws verbatim codeine wouldn't be OTC. I don't know how people got into fucked up shit like krokodil but please, get a grip. Not every bad drug thing is because of Evil America - the Siberians cooked this bad idea up on their own.

If I may be a semantics whore, the main ingredient in krokodil is Desomorphine, an opiate analog invented in the '30s in the U.S.. If there was no Desomorphine then there's no krokodil.........

Bah, that's stretching it but then again some might actually be serious and make that claim.

Ah, but it was the Swedes who actually brought it to market and sold it... so it's their fault?

As for the US forcing other countries to copy their drug laws or Suffer the Consequences.... yeah, that multi-decade embargo the Netherlands have been laboring under due to permitting the recreational use of cannabis has really wrecked their country.... Oh, wait, it hasn't.

[NettiWelho]

As for the US forcing other countries to copy their drug laws or Suffer the Consequences.... yeah, that multi-decade embargo the Netherlands have been laboring under due to permitting the recreational use of cannabis has really wrecked their country.... Oh, wait, it hasn't.

Contrary to popular belief cannabis is not legalized in Netherlands, personal consumption and possession are merely decriminalized up to certain quantities and growing remains criminalized.

[NettiWelho]

Hmm.. cant edit my message anymore, but quick googling came up with a few instances where a country actually ended up on the list.

http://cannabisnews.com/news/6/thread60.shtml

Panama Slams US for Drugs Blacklist!
Posted by FoM on December 15, 1998 at 07:51:47 PT
'We blame other countries and it's our problem!'
Panama City
A senior Panamanian congressman blasted the United States on Monday for including his country in a blacklist of nations that were failing to fight the drugs trade!

The United States was motivated to include Panama on its list because of the failure of bilateral talks to set up a multilateral anti-drugs center in Panama, Alberto Aleman Boyd, head of the Panamanian Congress Anti-Drug Committee, said on Monday.

He said the U.S. decision announced this weekend was "arbitrary" and contrary to evidence that Panama had implemented an anti-drugs policy.

In 1997, Panamanian authorities seized 14.2 tons of marijuana, and this year had confiscated about two tons of cocaine sent by Colombian cartels to the U.S. and European markets, he said.

In the past four years, Panama's narcotics police seized over 74 tons of drugs, mostly cocaine and marijuana, sending nearly 400 traffickers to jail.

http://www.venezuelaenglish.com/?p=34

Venezuela has categorically rejected a recent report issued by Washington accusing the South American nation of not cooperating with international anti-drug trafficking efforts

In an oficial statement released last week by Foreign Minister Nicolas Maduro, the Venezuelan government referred to the White House’s assessment of its efforts to combat the llegal drug trade as “irresponsible, unilateral and arbitrary”.

The statement condemns what Venezuelan officials consider a misinformed and biased attack against their nation, claiming that the US has no right to play the role of international judge in terms of drug enforcement.

.....

The annual report, released by the White House last week, identifies 20 countries which are, according to US President Barack Obama, “major transit or major illicit drug-producing countries”.

Per the US report, these nations are: Afghanistan, The Bahamas, Bolivia, Burma, Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, India, Jamaica, Laos, Mexico, Nicaragua, Pakistan, Panama, Peru, and Venezuela.

Bolivia, Burma and Venezuela have been designated by the US President as countries that “have failed demonstrably during the previous 12 months to adhere to their obligations under international counter-narcotics agreements”.

.....

And the most recent report itself can be downloaded here: http://www.state.gov/j/inl/rls/nrcrpt/2012/index.htm

The President determined, however, in accordance with provisions of Section 706(3)(A) of the FRAA, that continued support for bilateral programs in Bolivia and limited programs in Venezuela are vital to the national interests of the United States.

[Gil Hamilton]

The zombie sensationalism this murder has started is amazing. Nerds everywhere are collectively jizzing their pants at the idea of going into a world where they won't have to learn real social skills!

It is kind of amazing the reaction that people are having to a guy getting blasted out of his mind on drugs and eating someone's face off is extreme mirth about the coming zombie apocalypse.

[Simon_Jester]

Hmm.. cant edit my message anymore, but quick googling came up with a few instances where a country actually ended up on the list.

http://cannabisnews.com/news/6/thread60.shtml

...

http://www.venezuelaenglish.com/?p=34

.....

And the most recent report itself can be downloaded here: http://www.state.gov/j/inl/rls/nrcrpt/2012/index.htm

The President determined, however, in accordance with provisions of Section 706(3)(A) of the FRAA, that continued support for bilateral programs in Bolivia and limited programs in Venezuela are vital to the national interests of the United States.

[/quote]Excuse me, I must be missing something.

The US can make a list of countries whose anti-drug efforts it does not consider "good enough." But so what? What, exactly, are the consequences of this? Is Panama actually harmed in any significant way by this? And since Panama is apparently not even trying to legalize anything, how does this tie into whether drugs are made legal or illegal, which is what you were talking about?

As to the USSR and "krokodil"... are you trying to say that the USSR was so susceptible to American pressure that the US made them enact War on Drugs laws, thus ensuring that dangerous designer drugs would get invented?

I'm really not sure where you're trying to go with all this, aside from a general across-the-board condemnation of all US drug policy. You seem to jump around- what am I missing here?

[CaptHawkeye]

The zombie sensationalism this murder has started is amazing. Nerds everywhere are collectively jizzing their pants at the idea of going into a world where they won't have to learn real social skills!

It is kind of amazing the reaction that people are having to a guy getting blasted out of his mind on drugs and eating someone's face off is extreme mirth about the coming zombie apocalypse.

Recently they've been running articles left and right about cannibalistic murders. Huffington Post even ran an article about the CDC "denying" the involvement of zombies in these murders. Their is literally so much wrong with even asking the CDC questions like that, but I think the stupidity of it mostly speaks for itself.

But hey brutal murder was unheard of before this face eater guy right?

[NettiWelho]

As to the USSR and "krokodil"... are you trying to say that the USSR was so susceptible to American pressure that the US made them enact War on Drugs laws, thus ensuring that dangerous designer drugs would get invented?

I was not the one to bring up krokodil or Russian legislation in this thread first, I merely made a sidenote to causes of perilious side effects of krokodil(brought up by someone else) while commenting on US(as on-topic) drug policy creating an environment where there is a market for increasing range of designer drugs to skirt around the laws in Western World(tm).

I'm really not sure where you're trying to go with all this, aside from a general across-the-board condemnation of all US drug policy. You seem to jump around- what am I missing here?

I heartily apologize if I didnt make it clear enough.

My original point was this:

When you restrict the availability of drugs you cause artificial inflation in prices, leading to few things:

1: Increased incentive to enter the supply side of the market of the restricted substance.

This effect leads to rise of organized criminal organizations like the drug cartels or similiar outfits during the alcohol prohibiton. When legal, the prices become deflated and the incentive for violent action goes away, the drug war south of US border would begin to wither away with legal sources undercutting black market prices.

Further, Mexico and the south american nations cannot solve this problem by legalizing themselves, because the primary markets for cartels exist in north america and europe.

2: Expanded market for alternative substances.

Most of the RC's(like the ones linked to few similiar incidents like in OP(eg. 'bath salts' and 'incenses')) currently in market wouldnt either exist at all or at such quantities as they currently do if there was lesser demand on them due to primary markets not demanding substitutes because of the said restrictions and their secondary effects.


Again, the thing about krokodil was not meant as a part of the rant against US drug policies, I thought it would be obvious enough, but appearently not. Again, my apologies.

[Losonti Tokash]

The zombie sensationalism this murder has started is amazing. Nerds everywhere are collectively jizzing their pants at the idea of going into a world where they won't have to learn real social skills!

It is kind of amazing the reaction that people are having to a guy getting blasted out of his mind on drugs and eating someone's face off is extreme mirth about the coming zombie apocalypse.

Recently they've been running articles left and right about cannibalistic murders. Huffington Post even ran an article about the CDC "denying" the involvement of zombies in these murders. Their is literally so much wrong with even asking the CDC questions like that, but I think the stupidity of it mostly speaks for itself.

But hey brutal murder was unheard of before this face eater guy right?

TBH I am pretty amused that the CDC felt it necessary to respond with an official denial of zombie involvement rather than a cold stare and a "Get out of my office."

[Broomstick]

As for the US forcing other countries to copy their drug laws or Suffer the Consequences.... yeah, that multi-decade embargo the Netherlands have been laboring under due to permitting the recreational use of cannabis has really wrecked their country.... Oh, wait, it hasn't.

Contrary to popular belief cannabis is not legalized in Netherlands, personal consumption and possession are merely decriminalized up to certain quantities and growing remains criminalized.

Try reading what I actually wrote: I didn't say a damn thing about growing it, I said recreational use.

Anyhow - I'm not about to get into an off-thread-topic debate with yet another drug apologist. We won't know for sure if this was drugs, batshit crazy, or a combo until the full autopsy results come in, assuming there was an autopsy in this case. Tox screens for dead guys usually take several weeks, so maybe in the meanwhile we can discuss the guy in New Jersey who gutted himself and started throwing his intestines at the police.

Really, it's almost enough to make one believe in a zombie apocalypse.

[Phantasee]

I'm surprised nobody knows about the severed foot delivered to Conservative Party of Canada headquarters earlier this week, or the severed hand that was discovered a at a Canada Post facility, intended to be delivered to the Liberal Party of Canada HQ, or the matching torso found in a briefcase in Montreal.

I guess I'll post it.

[loomer]

Don't feet just turn up every once in a while in Canada anyway, along the coast?

[General Zod]

TBH I am pretty amused that the CDC felt it necessary to respond with an official denial of zombie involvement rather than a cold stare and a "Get out of my office."

The CDC is probably one of the few government branches that has a sense of humor. But I guess you need one to stay sane in their line of work. http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm

[Phantasee]

Don't feet just turn up every once in a while in Canada anyway, along the coast?

And how is that relevant to someone deliberately mailing a foot and a hand and stuffing the torso in a suitcase?

Do you think we shouldn't be fazed by this because sometimes feet 'just turn up every once in a while [...] along the coast'?

[fgalkin]

Linky

It wasn't bath salts.

According to a statement on the full toxicology report by the Miami-Dade medical examiner, the only drug detected in the lifeless body of infamous Miami face-chewer Rudy Eugene was marijuana.

"The department's toxicology laboratory has identified the active components of marijuana," medical examiner Dr. Bruce Hyma said in a statement. "The laboratory has tested for but not detected any other street drugs, alcohol or prescription drugs...This includes cocaine, LSD, amphetamines (Extasy, Meth and others), phencyclidine (PCP or Angel Dust), heroin, oxycodone, Xanax, synthetic marijuana (Spice), and many other similar compounds."

A second forensic toxicology lab also confirmed the absence of the most common ingredients of bath salts, a synthetic amphetamine cocktail blamed in several recent incidents that bear some similarity to Eugene's attack.

"Within the limits of current technology by both laboratories," the statement read, "marijuana is the only drug identified in the body of Mr. Rudy Eugene."

The statement did not address previously reported autopsy findings of what appeared to be undigested pills in Eugene's stomach, and an expert told the Associate Press marijuana alone was not likely to cause such an attack:

"The problem today is that there is an almost an infinite number of chemical substances out there that can trigger unusual behavior," said Dr. Bruce Goldberger, Professor and Director of Toxicology at the University of Florida.
Goldberger said that the medical examiner's office in Miami is known for doing thorough work and that he's confident they and the independent lab covered as much ground as possible. But it's nearly impossible for toxicology testing to keep pace with new formulations of synthetic drugs.

"...The challenge today for the toxicology lab is to stay on top of these new chemicals and develop methodologies for them, but it's very difficult and very expensive." Goldberger said. "There is no one test or combination of tests that can detect every possible substance out there."


The medical examiner's office did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Eugene, 31, was widely speculated to have been on some form of synthetic drugs or suffering a drug-induced psychosis the afternoon of May 26 when he stripped naked and brutally attacked homeless resident Ronald Poppo in broad daylight along Miami's busy MacArthur Causeway, chewing and ripping off roughly half of the older man's face.

A police officer responding to multiple 911 calls shot and killed Eugene as he crouched over Poppo, reportedly refusing to stop the gruesome assault by growling at the officer with Poppo's flesh in his mouth.

The 18-minute attack and its aftermath were captured on surveillance video from the Miami Herald's parking garage, but it is still unknown what prompted Eugene to commit such a horrific crime.

According to Local10, the former North Miami Beach High School football player was once diagnosed as schizophrenic after an arrest, but authorities are not sure if he ever sought treatment.

Records show Eugene had been arrested 8 times since the age of 16, including 4 instances involving marijuana. But though he was once accused of threatening to kill his mother, friends and family members alike say they never expected such violence from Eugene, who was participating in a Bible study, reading the Koran, and telling friends he wanted to stop smoking marijuana.

"There's no answer for it, not really," Eugene's younger brother, Marckenson Charles, told the AP. "Anybody who knew him knows this wasn't the person we knew him to be. Whatever triggered him, there is no answer for this."

Poppo, meanwhile, is doing "well," according to doctors at Jackson Memorial Hospital's Ryder Trauma Center. The 65-year-old has lost one eye, is missing his nose, and faces a string of surgeries to repair his wounds and reconstruct his face.

"We have mental health professionals to help him with the coping, and he's coping remarkably well," said plastic surgeon Dr. Wrood Kassira

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Phantasee]

Well, so much for marijuana's safety arguments. Valid or not, this is going to be fought up every time legalization or even decriminalization is brought up.

[General Zod]

Well, so much for marijuana's safety arguments. Valid or not, this is going to be fought up every time legalization or even decriminalization is brought up.

I expect about as much as reefer madness is cited for factual accuracy.

[Phantasee]

Reefer Madness was a ridiculous propaganda film from almost a century ago. This was an international news story that happened basically yesterday.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Considering the level of accuracy and maturity in US anti-drug literature, I would expect this to be used as proof that Reefer Madness was a fully accurate movie.

[Alyrium Denryle]

synthetic marijuana (Spice)

In all seriousness, there are a lot of things that can cause a psychotic break. We had someone on this board last year who went bugfuck due to legal use of prescription meds (whether he ODed or not I dont recall). And then there are the non-drug related causes: Injuries old and new, diseases (syphilis comes to mind). Reefer madness was a hilarious propaganda film, but I cannot imagine anyone actually thinking it is accurate, even with this, because everyone and their mother knows someone who gets stoned occasionally...