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Well it's better then send troops to fight in a country over oil.
t’s taken years of determined lobbying by international aid groups, but the Pentagon is finally deploying 100 combat troops to do battle with Ugandan cult leader Joseph Kony and his brutal Lord’s Resistance Army rebel group in Central Africa. “These forces will act as advisers to partner forces that have the goal of removing from the battlefield Joseph Kony and other senior leadership of the LRA,” President Barack Obama said Friday.

The LRA has its roots in a bloody civil war in Uganda in the 1980s and ’90s. Chased out of their home country by the army and angry civilians, the pseudo-religious LRA spent a few years doing the bidding of Sudanese president Omar Al-Bashir before international pressure ended that arrangement and the LRA fled south into the thick, roadless forest of northeastern Democratic Republic of Congo and southern Central African Republic.

In 20 years of violence, the LRA has killed or maimed tens of thousands of people, kidnapped many more and displaced millions. The group abducts children and forces them to kill, ultimately brainwashing them into serving Kony. The rebels keep young girls as sex slaves and other captives as laborers.

The U.S. advisers began deploying this week. “Although the U.S. forces are combat-equipped, they will only be providing information, advice and assistance to partner nation forces,” Obama said. “They will not themselves engage LRA forces unless necessary for self-defense.”

Though the danger to American lives is probably minimal, any effort against the LRA poses serious risks. Previous operations targeting Kony have ended badly. In 2006, a squad of Guatemalan commandos trained by the U.S. infiltrated an LRA encampment. But Kony was away. In the ensuing firefight, LRA troops wiped out the entire eight-man commando force and beheaded their commander.


Three years later, a small team from U.S. Africa Command helped the Ugandan army plan a complex series of raids on LRA camps, codenamed “Operation Lightning Thunder.” But the Ugandan air and ground forces could not coordinate their attacks. The enraged rebel survivors fanned out, killing more than 600 civilians as they fled deeper into the forest.

After the disastrous Operation Lightning Thunder, Africa Command assumed a lower profile in Congo, sending small numbers of trainers on short-term missions aimed at boosting the Congolese army. Meanwhile, aid groups and civilian militias ramped up their efforts to guard against LRA attacks, employing homemade shotguns and a DIY radio warning network. And advocates of greater U.S. involvement continued pleading their case, culminating in today’s announcement.

The LRA kills and rapes whether or not they’re being hunted. And since the LRA has no clear political cause and no grassroots support, ending their menace could be as simple as destroying the group itself. The LRA likely will not spontaneously regenerate like many Islamic terror groups do.

Of course, there’s always the risk of mission creep; just look at how the American efforts in Afghanistan and Pakistan have metastasized, for instance. That’s one reason why Center for a New American Security analyst Andrew Exum called the idea of U.S. intervention in Congo “not quite New Coke, and it’s not as ill-advised as signing up to be al-Qaeda’s #3, but this is a pretty bad idea.”

Nevertheless, the international consensus is that Kony and
his fighters must be killed or captured — and that doing so will help bring greater peace and stability to Central Africa. American troops will be leading the effort.

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October 2011, yeah we had articles posted on this before. US troops have been on the ground a while, and already the campaign is likely failing amid problems of the African troops having no funding to actually do anything.
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As Skimmer says, troops on the ground isn't new. And previous expeditions have gone, well, let's not say badly, let's say catastrophically, disastrously, terribly, terminally badly.
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bah didn't noticed the date damn lack of coffee.
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No drone spam?
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You know I initially thought 'rape cult' referred to the US military given the huge % of female soldiers that are raped and the pitiful # that are even reported never mind prosecuted. Quite frankly, this probably deserves its own thread and a mod can split it out if they desire. I honestly don't understand why any woman would join the US military given that they can count on being raped or sexually assaulted.

NPR article with the rape statistics. "In 2003, a survey of female veterans found that 30 percent said they were raped in the military. A 2004 study of veterans who were seeking help for post-traumatic stress disorder found that 71 percent of the women said they were sexually assaulted or raped while serving."

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CNN article covering how the military labels rape victims 'crazy'

NPR article on new Pentagon rules
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In the 6 years I was at the 52nd Signal BN in Stuttgart germany very few women were assualted or harassed most likely due to fact that our female 1SG didn't put up with that crap. I think we had two cases of women being assualted and at least 1 of a guy being assualted. Several females tied him down and used a wooden tool on him whatever it was left splinters, granted he was suspected of one of the rapes but it could never be proved. If thats true then he deserved it.
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Guatemalan commandos in Uganda? What they were doing here? Part of UN force or mercenaries?
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Irbis wrote:Guatemalan commandos in Uganda? What they were doing here? Part of UN force or mercenaries?
Commandos from one third world basket case hunting down cult commandos in a slightly worse third world basket case?
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I'd say Uganda is actually a lot worse than Guatemala.

But yeah, basically the large rich countries never volunteer much in the way of troops for routine UN operations, so when they want guys to put under those wacky blue helmets, they keep hiring people from third world countries where they can pay the government of origin a small premium per soldier and get useful troops.

Or sort of useful.
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I don't think it will do much difference, honestly. As long as the bigger countries don't volunteer for actual combat (where they are better in every way that metters ie equipment, training, communications and supporting troops like armor or helicopters), the poor third world grunts will do jack against this Kony, or any Kony.

Now before you tear me apart, I know about Vietnam and its jungles and I know about Somalia in 1993. But, if you truly want to do something, you have to risk a Somalia. While you're, in effect, hiring troops cheaply, you should be aware that combat effectiveness or anything in general will reflect that. Cutting costs and winning wars are mutually exclusive, even when the best military in the world is against some tribals with Kalashnikovs. You can have everything you want; if you have politicians who scream "oh noez save our preecious monies!" whenever they hear about waging a war, though, all else is moot. This was known all the way back to Cicero.

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Maybe the people who hired the Gautemalan commandos got fooled by branding. Like the ads for Scary Movie which say "from the writers of Airplane!" Except in this case it's "From the people who brought you the Delta Force, introducing Guatemalan spec ops!"
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Dr. Trainwreck wrote:I don't think it will do much difference, honestly. As long as the bigger countries don't volunteer for actual combat (where they are better in every way that metters ie equipment, training, communications and supporting troops like armor or helicopters), the poor third world grunts will do jack against this Kony, or any Kony.

Now before you tear me apart, I know about Vietnam and its jungles and I know about Somalia in 1993. But, if you truly want to do something, you have to risk a Somalia. While you're, in effect, hiring troops cheaply, you should be aware that combat effectiveness or anything in general will reflect that. Cutting costs and winning wars are mutually exclusive, even when the best military in the world is against some tribals with Kalashnikovs. You can have everything you want; if you have politicians who scream "oh noez save our preecious monies!" whenever they hear about waging a war, though, all else is moot. This was known all the way back to Cicero.

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Or we can crowdfund actual results: http://kickstriker.com/kony
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Well that would be an interesting clusterfuck to watch. Wonder if Blackwater could pull it off.
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Protip: Kickstriker is a parody site.
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Ahh, clever.
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Aaron MkII wrote:No drone spam?
A few are in use, but drone spam doesn't like dense tree cover. Some really nifty radar systems can go through a triple tree canopy, but not that well and they'll only tell you someone is present, not who they are. Then in this case you've got to rely on local African forces traversing thousands of square miles of the most remote land in Africa on the ground, they have few transport aircraft, to inspect anything you do spot.
Aaron MkII wrote:Well that would be an interesting clusterfuck to watch. Wonder if Blackwater could pull it off.
Contracted mercenaries are how Angola finally got Jonas Savimbi of UNITA killed off a decade ago, it could work, but the problem remains finding the target and hiding the fact that your used mercenaries. Blackwater is not who you'd hire, or if you did, Blackwater would just be contracting with someone else anyway. This is would be a job for South African types.
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Why WOULD you want to hide the fact you used mercenaries to get a wanted criminal? Morale issues with your own troops who couldn't cut it?

Genuine question ; I can't imagine a reason (it's a shady thing to do, but if it gets some psychotic wannabe warlord...), that doesn't mean there isn't one.
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PeZook wrote:Why WOULD you want to hide the fact you used mercenaries to get a wanted criminal? Morale issues with your own troops who couldn't cut it?
Moral, huge national embarrassment for weaker powers, ultra high probability that the mercenaries will commit war crimes such as not identifying themselves, or committed crimes in other states previously, high chance they broke arms import/export laws, high chance national borders will be crossed in the pursuit. On top of issues like this, most mercenaries simply do not want even the slightest public attention because they don't have a budget for protecting families back home nor do they want the NGOs or the UN looking at them for the next twenty years.

For these reasons and more mercenaries who take on offensive tasks are very little heard of. Heck really, even the ones who concentrate on much less legally questionable large scale bodyguard and training tasks other then Blackwater keep very low profiles, and Blackwater itself changed its name twice now, to Xe Services and now Academi to try to get away from attention. Bodyguard/training tasks meanwhile already create far fewer problems then actually hiring mercenaries to go kill specific targets. The US used a couple dozen companies in Iraq, but nobody ever names any but Blackwater… Blackwater was heard of mainly because they got the top contract to protect the US State Department.

Genuine question ; I can't imagine a reason (it's a shady thing to do, but if it gets some psychotic wannabe warlord...), that doesn't mean there isn't one.
In this case it would be less risk because of how small and absurd Kony’s gang is, but it’s still much better to do a job like this autonomously. The people who might hire you on future jobs, they have ways of knowing who you are. You have no reason at all to want anyone else to know. The people who hired you meanwhile would rather not admit that they may or may not have used piles of cash earned in less than legal manners to pay for it ect...
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