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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-23/a ... dy/4088096
Surprise findings in sexual abuse victim study
AM By Samantha Donovan
Posted June 23, 2012 12:19:20

A landmark Australian study has found the vast majority of people who are sexually abused as children do not become offenders themselves.

But the study finds that overall they are five times more likely than other members of the population to be charged with some sort of offence.

The researchers say the findings suggest the victims of childhood sexual abuse need more help to recover, especially during their teenage years.

The study looked at more than 2,500 cases of child sexual abuse in Victoria between 1964 and 1995.

The names and birthdates of the victims were then cross-matched with crime databases.

Author, Dr Margaret Cuttajar, is a clinical and forensic psychologist and researcher at Monash University.


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She says the study is one of the largest of its kind in the world and has huge significance.

"Whilst the majority of child sexual abuse victims don't go on to commit an offence, so it's 7 per cent in this case when we compare it to the general population, we found that being a victim of child sexual abuse does increase the risk for committing offence," she said.

The study did not examine why some people who were abused as children went on to commit crimes themselves.

But Dr Cuttajar has some theories.

"One of the main questions is do the abused become the abuser? And what we found was that sexual offending was largely attributed to adolescent males," she said.

"So what we theorise adolescents is a period of psycho-sexual development, a pretty critical period where there is that heightened sexual arousal and it could be paired with cognitive distortions relating to sexual relations and even the aberrant sexual urges.

"It might be something like being attracted to a child or what the general population would consider a deviant sexual interest.

"This might come out of their own type of sexual offending where they are mirroring that later in life where they have the belief systems that might suggest that this is normal."

Dr Cuttajar says the study's findings suggest that victims of childhood sexual abuse need more help from psychologists, psychiatrists and social workers, especially during adolescence.

"Not just focusing on the trauma of the sexual abuse but also teaching them about positive sexuality," she said.

"Just in terms of developing the healthier ideas of what a sexual relationship is and respect."

The study has been published on the website of the Australian Institute of Criminology.
Ok, so they aren't more likely to be sex offenders, but maybe commit other crime (although they said charge with a crime, and didn't actually mention conviction per se). I must say I have seen the excuse used before, (ie one should get a mitigating circumstance in consideration of sentencing because one was sexually abused as a kid) but it always struck me as possibly a case of cum hoc ergo prompter hoc (with this, therefore because of this) since no attempt was made at empiricism.

So next time some perpetrator of sex abuse starts whining about being sexually abuse in their childhood (or using it as an argument against gay marriage) shoved this in their face.
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Er... what about the part where it says:

"But the study finds that overall they are five times more likely than other members of the population to be charged with some sort of offence."

"Whilst the majority of child sexual abuse victims don't go on to commit an offence, so it's 7 per cent in this case when we compare it to the general population, we found that being a victim of child sexual abuse does increase the risk for committing offence," she said."

The study proves that the majority of victims of sexual abuse don't become sex offenders or other criminals. But it also proves that those victims are five times, or at least many times, more likely to do so than ordinary people.

So it's a very mixed message to shove in people's faces.
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Simon_Jester wrote:So it's a very mixed message to shove in people's faces.
We may be overlooking a simple causal chain here. Sexual abuse during childhood has a number of common effects later in life, such as PTSD, substance abuse, sleep disorders, self-harm, and so on. These factors, coupled with what in many cases is the failure of society to provide protection and stability, means we have a person with a traumatic past who may be (often justifiably) angry and distrustful towards authority. I think it'd be illuminating to contrast this study with numbers on, for instance, foster home children.
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Uh, it says 'some sort of offence'. Not 'some sort of sex offence'. It just says victims of sexual abuse are much more likely to have a criminal record. It does not say that they are five times more likely to become sex offenders.
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Yep. I agreed.

So I'm really not sure what Mr. Friendly's interpretation of the study is, and what he plans on achieving, with "So next time some perpetrator of sex abuse starts whining about being sexually abuse in their childhood (or using it as an argument against gay marriage) shoved this in their face."

I'm wondering about that.
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Simon_Jester wrote:Yep. I agreed.

So I'm really not sure what Mr. Friendly's interpretation of the study is, and what he plans on achieving, with "So next time some perpetrator of sex abuse starts whining about being sexually abuse in their childhood (or using it as an argument against gay marriage) shoved this in their face."

I'm wondering about that.
Here is a letter taken from the West Australian 14/12/2004, written by R. Powell. In case you are wondering I recorded a few and vented by dismembering the arguments. This was written at a time when gay marriage was hotly debated and as anyone can see from my previous posts over the years, I detest the shoddy reasoning used by readers of the local newspaper.
As a male person who was raped and molested as a young and vulnerable boy at the age of 15 by homosexuals and subsequently learnt the behaviour of such practices and thought that I was homosexual, I feel I can talk with some authority on the subject.
I have, later in my life, become a sex offender and molested a few young girls and went to prison for this. Homosexuality is mostly a learnt behaviour from being abused as a child by older boys or men.
I have spoken to many men who are homosexual and most have told me they were abused as children. Most sex offenders have been abused as children. Most homosexuals I have spoken to admit they like young people. That is why I believe homosexuality is for those over 21 who have become adults, if that’s what they wish to do.
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So essentially he is saying
1. His predatory sexual behaviour was due to being molested as a kid and not because he is a sick fuck. The study shows no increase of incidence for sexual predatory behaviour among victims. Point one taken care off.
2. This letter was one of many written during that time trying to equate homosexuality with sex offences as a poisoning the well tactic against gay marriage. Again a variation of the first point, with the insinuation that homosexuality leads to increase sex offences. Even if you accept homosexuality as a sex offence (its not) it still doesn't follow that it will lead to more predatory behaviour, as the study shows. So thats point two done.

So yes, people do try and explain away their behaviour (without empirical evidence naturally) and then use it as an attack on homosexuals and giving them equal rights. This study just adds another element to refuting their claims.
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Just because this news article said that the study found that "the vast majority" of victims don't go on to abuse others does not mean that it didn't find an increase in rates. Quite to the contrary, the study did find an increase, and in certain groups a truly massive one:
The actual study wrote:While the majority (99%) of male and female victims of CSA were not charged for a sexual offence, CSA victims were 7.6 times more likely to be charged with sexual offences than the general population. Moreover, as the results show, a surprisingly high percentage of male victims were subsequently convicted of a sexual offence (5% of all male victims and 9.25 of those aged 12 years and above at the time of their victimisation). Some other research has found no association between childhood victims of sexual abuse and future sexual offending; however, this may be due to the small sample size of CSA victims and the fact that the samples comprised mostly females (Widom 1989a, 1989b). In a meta-analysis of factors related to recidivism in sex offenders, Hanson and Bussiere (1998) did not find a relationship between sexual abuse victimisation and subsequent sexual offending. This is, of course, due to the nature of the studies included in the meta-analysis, which have largely relied on self-report and retrospective methodology.

As expected, male CSA victims were largely responsible for the increased rate of sexual offences, in particular those boys abused at 12 years or older. Given that almost one in 10 boys who were sexually abused in this age group subsequently were convicted of a sexual offence, sexual victimisation may be an important risk factor for this population (but not for females). The hallmark feature of this period is psychosexual development, where heightened sexual arousal may be paired with cognitive distortion/implicit theories relating to sexual relations (Ward 2000) and aberrant sexual urges, which may develop and underlie sexual offending. Possible explanations for the phenomenon were not examined in this study, but should be investigated in subsequent studies.
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Maybe we should separate out the "victims of sexual abuses are likely to become sexual abusers" from "exposure to THE GAY is sexual abuse?"

One is a scientific question. The other is deranged, irrelevant babble. So we don't need to disprove the first to dismiss the second.
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Stark wrote:Uh, it says 'some sort of offence'. Not 'some sort of sex offence'. It just says victims of sexual abuse are much more likely to have a criminal record. It does not say that they are five times more likely to become sex offenders.
For example - it's not unusual for prostitutes to have sex abuse in their past history. Such people may be charged with prostitution, which is an offense, but it's a far cry from being a sex offender/molester. Sexually abused children may be more likely than non-abused children to run away from home at a young age (in order to escape abuse), leading to petty theft for survival which again is a criminal charge but not one of being a sex offender.
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Broomstick wrote:For example - it's not unusual for prostitutes to have sex abuse in their past history. Such people may be charged with prostitution, which is an offense, but it's a far cry from being a sex offender/molester. Sexually abused children may be more likely than non-abused children to run away from home at a young age (in order to escape abuse), leading to petty theft for survival which again is a criminal charge but not one of being a sex offender.
I didn't find any clear definition of "sexual offence" in the paper, but it does break out prostitution as a separate category from sexual offences---one is not a subset of the other.
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I didn't mean to imply prostitution was in any way in the same category as sexual molestation, which is also why I threw in the example of petty theft as another example.
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I think I must be missing your point, then. The general need to engage in criminality to survive as a runaway could explain in increase in criminal charges, but it doesn't seem to explain an increase in "sexual offences" unless the category includes major bullshit victimless crimes. And with prostitution not included, the most likely bullshit crime to confuse the interpretation has already been eliminated.
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This is the actual study ----> http://www.aic.gov.au/en/publications/c ... di440.aspx

When you actually attach numbers to it, its less impressive.
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There is a practical difference between flashing, getting caught in a parking lot, and other generally reckless sexual shit teenagers get into and what is commonly hated as sex crimes.

And men are more likely to be punished more harshly for the same crime if it was basically about age.

12 vs 16.

While people say that girls mature faster sexually and more importantly mentally, who looks more like a scumbag? Who is assumed to be behaving in a more predatory fashion?


Take that train of collective agreement for about 30+ years.
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