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Hoping to add a life-size ark project, the museum hits fundraising trouble

Five years after it opened, the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky., still gleams, and life-size dinosaurs still tread the Earth, shoulder-to-shoulder with humans. But behind the scenes, one of the most ambitious efforts in America to counter evolutionary theory has hit a roadblock.

When you walk into the Creation Museum, one of the first things you see is an exhibit of a doe-eyed human child crouched next to a velociraptor dinosaur. The two seem not at all surprised that their epochs have collided. Homo sapiens and velociraptors missed each other by a good 65 million years, according to most scientists, but in the world of the Creation Museum, humans and dinosaurs were created on the same day 6,000 years ago, coexisting peacefully in the Garden of Eden. A thousand years later, a 600-year-old man ushered them onto Noah's ark.

Answers in Genesis, a ministry founded in Australia, built the Creation Museum. The group seeks to convince others that the theory of evolution is wrong and that the account of creation told in Genesis is literally true. The result: a place that resembles a slick and entertaining natural history museum, even as it peddles the exact opposite message.

Now, the people behind this museum are looking to erect something much bigger: a 160-acre park with a life-size replica of Noah's Ark built to stand 500 feet long and 80 feet high. They're hoping to tap four teams of Amish builders to construct this giant ark, which would become the largest timber structure in the country. Including parking and other areas, the entire Ark Encounter would sit on 800 acres about a 40-minute drive away from the Creation Museum in northern Kentucky.

But the ark plan now finds itself on troubled waters.

The group initially announced that it expected to break ground on the park in 2011, before eventually pushing that date back to 2014. But in June, in an interview in the Creation Museum's "Noah's Cafe," Ark Encounter vice president Michael Zovath told Yahoo News that the group no longer has a date in mind for the construction to begin. It has been unable to raise sufficient amounts of money, despite pleas to the Creation Museum's visitors to donate to the project.

"Fundraising is really tough," Zovath said, blaming the recession. "It's not moving so fast as we hoped." The private LLC that is building the park would need to raise another $20 million before it can break ground, he said. So far, it's taken in $5.6 million in donations and $17 million in private investments.

To add to the bad news, the Creation Museum is having its lowest attendance year yet. Last fiscal year, 280,000 people visited, compared to 404,000 the first year it opened in 2007. Zovath thinks that potential visitors have been less willing to travel to the museum because of the poor economy.

If the attraction does get built, it's unclear if it will be as controversial as the Creation Museum itself. The museum has draw criticism from atheists, scientists, educators (including the National Center for Science Education, which says kids who visit the museum will do worse in science classes), and fellow Christians who subscribe to a less literal, or "old Earth" view of Genesis, where the six days described in God's creation actually represent six long epochs. The museum strives to convince all visitors that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, instead of the 4.5 billion years that scientists endorse. (The museum motto: "Prepare to Believe.")

The Supreme Court has ruled that it's illegal for creationism to be taught in public schools, as a violation of the separation of church and state, so public school field trips are out.

But the museum still draws in plenty of school-age kids as visitors, in part by focusing on dinosaurs and savvy marketing campaigns. The museum has more than 100 billboards up around the country featuring cartoon dinosaurs urging drivers to make the trip.

"It's a way to get kids to come to the museum, that's the whole purpose of advertising," Zovath says of the ads. "The common response is, well, you're trying to attract children to your museum so you can teach them something we don't believe in. That's probably true," he concedes. "But secular museums and most natural history museums, when they run a dinosaur exhibit it's to promote attendance, and they're trying to teach kids things we don't believe in."

He added: "We have a message we want people to see, and the only way they'll see it is if they come to the museum."
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In fact, many already agree with the message. About 46 percent of Americans think God created humans in their present form, while 32 percent say humans evolved, but God helped the process along, according to a recent Gallup poll. Fifteen percent think humans evolved and God had no part in the process.

Once the Ark Encounter is built, Zovath is hoping 1.6 million people will flock to it in its first year—and boost the Creation Museum's attendance, too. These projections, based on an outside consulting firm's analysis, helped score the park tens of millions of dollars in tax breaks from the state of Kentucky.

Ark Encounter will be a "Biblically themed attraction," not an amusement park, although there is one ride. "It's an indoor ride ... taking guests through the history of Israel from the call of Abraham and then Moses through the 10 plagues, and it ends with kind of a fun ride through the Red Sea as the Red Sea parts," Zovath says. Visitors are then deposited in a "first century village," to see what life was like when Jesus lived.

One Creation Museum visitor, Dennis Stevenson, a pastor in Lakewood, Wash., told Yahoo News he hopes Ark Encounter gets built, and he would definitely make the trip again to see the park. Stevenson teaches an adult class that covers Genesis as part of his ministry and has followed the creationism/evolution debate for years. "It's a subject I'm quite interested in," he said. "I just finished building my own six-foot model of the ark for my class."

While adults make up many of the visitors, the museum is full of questions and answers aimed at kids: Could this dinosaur fossil be millions of years old? ("No! The earth is just thousands of years old, so the fossils cannot be millions of years old.") What did dinosaurs eat? ("Before man's Fall, animals were vegetarians.") Is there any other evidence that dinosaurs lived after the Flood? ("Yes. Dragons may have been dinosaurs!") Did humans live with dinosaurs? ("Yes. God made Adam and Eve on the same day as land animals.")

In the gift shop, you can buy kids' T-shirts that say, "On the Sixth Day, God Created Dinosaurs!" or a book by Creation Museum founder Ken Ham titled, "The Great Dinosaur Mystery Solved."

Sometimes, the museum tackles evolution and its huge disagreement with science head-on, through exhibits on Charles Darwin and the Grand Canyon. At other times, certain displays seemed to entirely ignore the scientific consensus on an issue. A show on finches, a small type of bird that helped Darwin first hypothesize that one species of animal could turn into many different species, doesn't mention their key role in his scientific discovery. "Scientists are puzzled how so many finch species could arise, displaying such a vast array of traits," the exhibit reads. "The Bible provides the explanation. In the beginning of time, six thousand years ago, God created every kind of bird, including the finch kind, and He gave them the ability to 'multiply upon the earth.'"

But many visitors—even the littlest ones—seemed very familiar with evolution.

When I visited in June, a girl who looked about 10 years old rushed up to an exhibit that showed a giant hummingbird. Next to it, in shadow, were three other creatures—a pterodactyl, a bat and a small finch. "Look, this is evolution!" she said, pointing at the four creatures.

Her mother jerked her head around and walked up behind the girl. "You know what, honey? Those are just other animals that are designed to fly," she said, pointing at the exhibit's description.

"Oh," the little girl said, embarrassed she'd gotten it wrong.
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Well, this explains the signs along the non-interstate highways around here.
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Okay, I'm Christian and even I'll admit that Dinosaurs weren't around when humans were...unless I seriously misread the Bible...

I mean, even Genesis doesn't mention GIANT LIZARDS running around...well, aside from snake-Satan
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Hm.

Turns out building Noah's Ark is really expensive and hard work. Who would have guessed...

Also, here's an image for you, if Mythbusters had a billion dollar budget:

"We're going to take this life-sized reconstruction of Noah's Ark and tow it out into the Atlantic to see if it can survive ocean conditions. Animal cruelty regulations forbid us from using actual animals on the ark, so we made do with umpty zillion dummies and a pile of grain to feed them all."
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All I have to say is poor little girl.
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I really hope they get the funding to build this not just because your average kid knows more animal species than the Ark has room for.
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Simon_Jester wrote:Hm.

Turns out building Noah's Ark is really expensive and hard work. Who would have guessed...

Also, here's an image for you, if Mythbusters had a billion dollar budget:

"We're going to take this life-sized reconstruction of Noah's Ark and tow it out into the Atlantic to see if it can survive ocean conditions. Animal cruelty regulations forbid us from using actual animals on the ark, so we made do with umpty zillion dummies and a pile of grain to feed them all."
What I want to know is, how the hell did they manage to get 17 million as it is? These people are what's wrong with the world, and it just goes to show, some people really do have more money than sense. That's one myth you don't need Mythbusters to confirm :lol:
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"Scientists are puzzled how so many finch species could arise, displaying such a vast array of traits," the exhibit reads.
This is just gold. I mean, man. Scientists are puzzled! PUZZLED, WE SAY!
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What is it with this obsession with the Ark? I heard that so many teams tried to "find it" (aha, because we regularly find intact, identifiable ships 2000+ old), to several guys trying to recreate it and now this.

I mean, they openly admit that a lot of kids only come because of the damned dinosaurs. In what retarded logic will they think that making a giant boat (ark, or whatever) is going to work?
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PeZook wrote:
"Scientists are puzzled how so many finch species could arise, displaying such a vast array of traits," the exhibit reads.
This is just gold. I mean, man. Scientists are puzzled! PUZZLED, WE SAY!
Don't you know that Creationists accept Evolution these days? They just don't call it Evolution, they call it "Variation" or "Change".
Mostly due to Ring species. They so obviously produce animals that can't interbreed from one species that they can't really deny it.
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Zixinus wrote:What is it with this obsession with the Ark? I heard that so many teams tried to "find it" (aha, because we regularly find intact, identifiable ships 2000+ old), to several guys trying to recreate it and now this.

I mean, they openly admit that a lot of kids only come because of the damned dinosaurs. In what retarded logic will they think that making a giant boat (ark, or whatever) is going to work?
It's a tourist attraction; if they can build the thing for twenty million dollars and keep it from falling apart for twenty years, they actually stand a decent chance of recouping much of their investment from ticket sales and donations and whatnot.

Plus it's a promotional thing- it's the kind of religious urge that in medieval Europe would manifest in terms of all kinds of beautiful art, only because of lowest-common-denominator effects it just gets them a big ugly fake boat.

If you're a fundie, the Ark is basically the source of all surviving life on Earth, too. The closest analogy I can think of...

Suppose you lived on some planet you knew was a terraformed colony world. Imagine you saw the colony ship that brought your ancestors to this star system, and from which they made your world a habitable place. Would you assign historical significance to it? Would you maybe be interested in seeing a replica? Or artifacts from it? I would.
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Building a 500 foot long boat is only going to make it laughably obvious to children how impossible it would be to fit all, most, or an appreciable fraction of the species of the Earth.

Unless they'd like to say that a whole bunch of different species are descended from a single common ancestor...
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Ahriman238 wrote:Building a 500 foot long boat is only going to make it laughably obvious to children how impossible it would be to fit all, most, or an appreciable fraction of the species of the Earth.

Unless they'd like to say that a whole bunch of different species are descended from a single common ancestor...
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Zixinus wrote:What is it with this obsession with the Ark? I heard that so many teams tried to "find it" (aha, because we regularly find intact, identifiable ships 2000+ old), to several guys trying to recreate it and now this.

I mean, they openly admit that a lot of kids only come because of the damned dinosaurs. In what retarded logic will they think that making a giant boat (ark, or whatever) is going to work?
They think that if they have undeniable proof of an Ark then their creation myth is validated.
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From a single mating pair? I would have thought they would have died off from the hideous inbreeding.
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"thought" being the operative word there.
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Oh, I'm sure that problem has occurred to plenty of religious people over the years- it's not like there aren't plenty of religious people who know stockbreeding, and there have been for millenia.

That was during Old Testament times, so it's very easy to call it an 'off-page' miracle: "and on the Nth day, God created artificial genetic diversity to keep the children of Shem from ending up with three eyes and flippers from inbreeding."
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Simon_Jester wrote:Hm.

Turns out building Noah's Ark is really expensive and hard work. Who would have guessed...

Also, here's an image for you, if Mythbusters had a billion dollar budget:

"We're going to take this life-sized reconstruction of Noah's Ark and tow it out into the Atlantic to see if it can survive ocean conditions. Animal cruelty regulations forbid us from using actual animals on the ark, so we made do with umpty zillion dummies and a pile of grain to feed them all."
Ocean conditions are just the start of their troubles. Part of their idiotic theory is that the Earth's surface was much flatter during the Great Flood. This is their way of explaining where all the water went: according to this "theory", the water didn't actually go anywhere: the continents rose up and the oceans moved down, so the water just rearranged itself into oceans and dry continents. Of course, this means that vast expanses of land (literally millions of square miles) moved up or down by many kilometres during a six month period.

Now, if we consider the phenomenon of rogue waves and tsunamis that can occur from a piece of continental shelf shifting by a few metres, and then imagine millions of square miles of land shooting up three or four kilometres over a period of a few months, we can see a rather obvious problem with this scenario: Noah's boat would not just sink; it would be obliterated by giant waves the likes of which no human being has ever seen. It would be smashed into toothpicks.
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Simon_Jester wrote:Oh, I'm sure that problem has occurred to plenty of religious people over the years- it's not like there aren't plenty of religious people who know stockbreeding, and there have been for millenia.

That was during Old Testament times, so it's very easy to call it an 'off-page' miracle: "and on the Nth day, God created artificial genetic diversity to keep the children of Shem from ending up with three eyes and flippers from inbreeding."
I suppose that's not any stupider than the idea that everyone on earth is descended from two people?
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Simon_Jester wrote:Oh, I'm sure that problem has occurred to plenty of religious people over the years- it's not like there aren't plenty of religious people who know stockbreeding, and there have been for millenia.

That was during Old Testament times, so it's very easy to call it an 'off-page' miracle: "and on the Nth day, God created artificial genetic diversity to keep the children of Shem from ending up with three eyes and flippers from inbreeding."
I suppose that's not any stupider than the idea that everyone on earth is descended from two people?
Who were created in God's own image. (Except for that foreskin, it's gross so chop it off would you?)
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I'm suddenly trying to remember if there are any canon miracles in the Bible where a bunch of people are able to go inside a place that should be too small to hold them. Can't think of any, but it's way too early in the morning right now.
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Clearly God invented Clown cars.
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Ralin wrote:I'm suddenly trying to remember if there are any canon miracles in the Bible where a bunch of people are able to go inside a place that should be too small to hold them. Can't think of any, but it's way too early in the morning right now.
Certain guy called Jonah? :lol:
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Irbis wrote:Certain guy called Jonah? :lol:
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Its huge in there Ive seen it with my own eyes... ... ... in a disney movie...
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