Is this generation hornier than our's??

[Stravo]

Alot of people are bringing up parenting as a factor in this and I have to agree. Alot of the parents in this documentary were almost afraid to deal and confront their kids on this issue. One mother amditted intercepting notes that her daughter forgot in her blouse pocket about secret meets with boys and instead of confronting her on it, she claimed that she would "file it away" for use against her daughter at a later date. WTF?!?! No, if I intercepted a note in my daughter's jeans about meetng some guy there would be hell to pay.

One parent was surprised when her daughter said that she had spent the night over at a freind's house, but boys came over (BTW there were SEVERAL instances in this documentary when the kids would be at another kids' house and they were having like a kegger and not an adult to be found. WHERE THE FUCK ARE THESE PARENTS?! Who leaves a 13 year old girl alone in the house???) and she said that she and a boy "fooled around" did the mother freak out, punish her daughter, lecture her? NO. She asked her "Did you sleep with him?" The daughter replied "No." and the mother's response...a smile, a nod of the head and "Good girl." Okay...now I HOPE she has to raise her daughter's out of wedlock child because thats parenting with intent to scar your child.

Alot of people claim that the idea of licensing for the right to have kids is facist and evil...I dare you to watch this, see the quality of parenting going on here and NOT at least contemplate the fucking idea, at least force expectant parents to take some lessons, because kids are NOT toys that are fun to play with or that you can leave on their own and they raise themselves. I was watching a line up of damaged children and future scarred adults...

[Nathan F]

Parent's need to take control of their children and stop letting their kids run them. I have seen too many cases of kids being spoiled rotten.

I also fully agree with the old saying "Spare the rod, spoil the child." Some children simply don't understand the meaning of right and wrong when told, and corporal punishment, within reasonable bounds, of course, is necessary.

You awful, horrible CHILD BEATER! Just kidding, but I'm waiting to see that charge for real from someone else...

I know, just so mean and cruel.

But then again, doesn't everyone beat random kids with electrical cords and tie them up in baskets and throw them in a river?

[Nathan F]

Alot of people are bringing up parenting as a factor in this and I have to agree. Alot of the parents in this documentary were almost afraid to deal and confront their kids on this issue. One mother amditted intercepting notes that her daughter forgot in her blouse pocket about secret meets with boys and instead of confronting her on it, she claimed that she would "file it away" for use against her daughter at a later date. WTF?!?! No, if I intercepted a note in my daughter's jeans about meetng some guy there would be hell to pay.

One parent was surprised when her daughter said that she had spent the night over at a freind's house, but boys came over (BTW there were SEVERAL instances in this documentary when the kids would be at another kids' house and they were having like a kegger and not an adult to be found. WHERE THE FUCK ARE THESE PARENTS?! Who leaves a 13 year old girl alone in the house???) and she said that she and a boy "fooled around" did the mother freak out, punish her daughter, lecture her? NO. She asked her "Did you sleep with him?" The daughter replied "No." and the mother's response...a smile, a nod of the head and "Good girl." Okay...now I HOPE she has to raise her daughter's out of wedlock child because thats parenting with intent to scar your child.

Alot of people claim that the idea of licensing for the right to have kids is facist and evil...I dare you to watch this, see the quality of parenting going on here and NOT at least contemplate the fucking idea, at least force expectant parents to take some lessons, because kids are NOT toys that are fun to play with or that you can leave on their own and they raise themselves. I was watching a line up of damaged children and future scarred adults...

What a bunch of idiots.

Man, if I EVER caught my 13 y/o daughter (don't have any kids, BTW) with notes about meeting some boy, there would be some serious hell to pay. She would be grounded in her room, and get any other creative punishment I could come up with at the moment. Then I would contact the other kid's parents and demand that they do something about their son.

[Pu-239]

Jeez. Honestly though it isn't that suprising. If you look at the statistics on drinking and drug use. It is rather high in the lower grades. Depressing.

I wonder when sex ed classes start. Junior high? Or maybe they should start lower.

5th grade here, though they don't do birth control stuff until 9th (or eigth)

[Illuminatus Primus]

I have a very high tolerance for shock value but I saw 12 and 13 year old girls casually talking about giving their boyfriends blow jobs and some were even already sleeping with multiple partners??

Eh, Standard Operating Procedure.

I'm getting offered sex as it is and I met this girl just two weeks ago and hung out with her twice. I'm not suprised.

But that's not standard either. Really its usually more prude than that.

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

I saw a show this weekend called something like "Junior High Confessions" and it essentially was a documentary where the crew interviewed and followed around a group of Junior High students to show adults the kind of issues that the kids today face.

I have a very high tolerance for shock value but I saw 12 and 13 year old girls casually talking about giving their boyfriends blow jobs and some were even already sleeping with multiple partners??

Now at first I was horrified, because they looked so damned young and innocent while one girl is talking about the pro and cons of SWALLOWING. It got me thinking, these kids are out of control, this new generation are horny little bastards with no care for consequences and THEN I suddenly realized that I lost my virginty at 13 and my girlfriend was 13 at the time and some of the things we did at that age were worthy of porn videos.

So it spurred a thought in my mind: Are we of the older generation white washing our childhood and teens so that when the new generation comes along, like our parents before us we can lament the state of today's youth??? Were we just as depraved and sex crazed as the youth of now??

I'm going to say it's less a thing of teens getting more and more debauched at an earlier and earlier age, and more of a certain freedom to talk about it. I mean, years ago, it would've given the censorship groups kittens to hear any blatant talk about sex on TV, much less teen sex. Whereas nowadays, you can see young people talking about sex during used car infomercials:

WILD BILL'S AUTO SALES: That's right, you can have any car off our lot for a hundred down and a hundred a month! Let's hear some testimony from our satisfied customers!

SATISFIED CUSTOMER: Dude! Thank you Wild Bill! Me and my girlfriend lost our virginity in the back seat of a car we bought from Wild Bill's! Sweet!

Mind you, this increasing openness and permissiveness is having the effect of possibly getting young people to try sex at an earlier age than they might have earlier. But eventually that age will go up again and stabilize as a whole generation ends up dealing with the consequences.

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

Alot of people are bringing up parenting as a factor in this and I have to agree. Alot of the parents in this documentary were almost afraid to deal and confront their kids on this issue. One mother amditted intercepting notes that her daughter forgot in her blouse pocket about secret meets with boys and instead of confronting her on it, she claimed that she would "file it away" for use against her daughter at a later date. WTF?!?! No, if I intercepted a note in my daughter's jeans about meetng some guy there would be hell to pay.

One parent was surprised when her daughter said that she had spent the night over at a freind's house, but boys came over (BTW there were SEVERAL instances in this documentary when the kids would be at another kids' house and they were having like a kegger and not an adult to be found. WHERE THE FUCK ARE THESE PARENTS?! Who leaves a 13 year old girl alone in the house???) and she said that she and a boy "fooled around" did the mother freak out, punish her daughter, lecture her? NO. She asked her "Did you sleep with him?" The daughter replied "No." and the mother's response...a smile, a nod of the head and "Good girl." Okay...now I HOPE she has to raise her daughter's out of wedlock child because thats parenting with intent to scar your child.

Alot of people claim that the idea of licensing for the right to have kids is facist and evil...I dare you to watch this, see the quality of parenting going on here and NOT at least contemplate the fucking idea, at least force expectant parents to take some lessons, because kids are NOT toys that are fun to play with or that you can leave on their own and they raise themselves. I was watching a line up of damaged children and future scarred adults...

Yeah, it seems that the cloth todays parents seems to have flunked basic tests for strength and durability. A lot of today's mores comes from the lack of sternness and communication parents seem to be willing to undertake. For example, I know of young girls (14-15) who have already lost their virginity. Their parents don't pry into their lives, they don't ask questions, and they don't seem to care.

I'm sorry, but if I had teenaged children, I'd be watching them very closely. The natural impulse of a teenager is to rebel and test the limits established by their parents. I'd make sure I talked to them about sex from the point they're able to understand all the way up to the point I was blue in the face. I'd also ask them questions about their social lives. Mind you I would try not to be accusatory, but if they're going to have sex, they're not going to be sneaky about it and foist the cost of the consequences on me!

[Enforcer Talen]

I remember back in 3rd grade doing something like that. I tend to forget about it, but it did happen. I would have preferred to have had a sex ed class then feel guilty about it later - it turned me off to some cuddling possibilities for a long time.

[Utsanomiko]

Shit, I was taught about sex when I was 5. Waiting untill puberty has set in to tell a kid about sex (or at least assume you're the first one to bring it up, nowadays) is just fucking insane.

I say introduce it to them when it still has no weight or meaning in their developing heads (ie, it's just an odd answer to the 'where do babies come from?' question), and then take the next several years to build upon the responsibilites, impacts, value, etc. It'd be a hell of alot easier than trying to rewrite our culture to not make sex a fucking popularity contest, anyway. But no, the fuckwads think trying to hide the knowledge will solve everything. Morons.

[Sr.mal]

I saw a show this weekend called something like "Junior High Confessions" and it essentially was a documentary where the crew interviewed and followed around a group of Junior High students to show adults the kind of issues that the kids today face.

I have a very high tolerance for shock value but I saw 12 and 13 year old girls casually talking about giving their boyfriends blow jobs and some were even already sleeping with multiple partners??

Now at first I was horrified, because they looked so damned young and innocent while one girl is talking about the pro and cons of SWALLOWING. It got me thinking, these kids are out of control, this new generation are horny little bastards with no care for consequences and THEN I suddenly realized that I lost my virginty at 13 and my girlfriend was 13 at the time and some of the things we did at that age were worthy of porn videos.

So it spurred a thought in my mind: Are we of the older generation white washing our childhood and teens so that when the new generation comes along, like our parents before us we can lament the state of today's youth??? Were we just as depraved and sex crazed as the youth of now??

I don't think they have a greater drive or need for sex. They're just more overt about their wants in that area. A child often will say exactly what is on his mind. As a baby, humans scream and cry at even the slightest discomfort. Over time, they grow into children, who while not screaming and moaning at every mild discomfort, continue to voice completely unfiltered thoughts and make their feelings readily known, whether others care to hear them or not, and wheter or not the situation warrants it. The parent or parents teach the child, over time, to moderate what he or she says. Because of that moderation, the child grows into a responsible adult. Today's youth show less control over their mouths and emotions. I think it is because parents are far more permissive than they once were, and I think we are seeing detrimental effects in modern society. It would be as if we did not scold a puppy for messing on the floor but instead said, "Now hear, hear. If you don't stop messing the floor, I'll be cross with you." The puppy obivously cannot comprehend that what it's done is not permissible. But then when that puppy reaches that magical age of being a grown dog and messes the floor, we pull out a gun and blow it away. We treat our children the same way, exercising little in the way of effective punishment for their misdeeds, but then subjecting them to a harsh and unforgiving justice system when they reach adulthood.

Sounds a lot like something Heinlein Said in Starship Troopers. Anyway if this generation is more horny, how come I'm not getting any?

[ArmorPierce]

Prepare to be sickened and appalled.

One of my teacher-friends works at an elementary school where two kids were walked in on, in the school bathroom: a fourth-grade boy (9 years old) with a second-grade girl (7 years old), completely naked on the floor, having sex with one another. Obviously, neither had reached puberty yet, so the act itself did nothing, but it makes you wonder where those kids picked up on enough, err, information to do a convincing performance.

Students don't receive 'the difference of the sexes' lecture until they reach 5th grade, and then don't get sex ed until 7th.

Ewwwl

[Darth Wong]

Why is it that people with zero experience in parenting always have the most authoritative opinions on how it should be done?

Romeo and Juliet is about 12 and 13 year olds having sex. This is not a new phenomenon. There have always been variations in the ages at which people start, and people simply find easy scapegoats in an issue like this. Instead of looking for root cause, they simply use it as an excuse to beat on whatever social problem they happen to feel strongly about.

Why are 12 and 13 years olds having sex? Let's try to be logical about this, and consider a few points:

1. This is a TV news article, and that means it will sensationalize and it will attempt to make any problem seem worse than it is, because that's how you stir up emotions and hold the attention of the viewer. How many kids did they interview about sex at 12 years old who said they'd never had an experience, but didn't make it to the screen because they don't make for sensationalist news?
2. A certain percentage of the population has ALWAYS had sex early. The human body is basically ready around that age, and while you will find bizarre anomalies like the one Zaia reported, I don't see any reason to believe that they're the start of a trend, or that the situation is so much worse today than it's ever been.
3. Sexual imagery does not necessarily compel kids to have sex. I found my father's porno stash when I was in grade 6, but I knew enough to wait, and perhaps more importantly, it's not as if I was in a lot of situations where I would have had the opportunity anyway.
4. "Permissive parenting" is an easy answer. What exactly is being permitted that shouldn't be? Or are we suggesting that the blanket application of a harsh, disciplinarian approach with lots of regular beatings will magically produce good people? Hitler's father tried that approach; it is hardly guaranteed to work.

Let's face facts: kids are biologically tuned to start wanting this at the onset of puberty; that is, in fact, what puberty is for. You can try to concoct various social constructs in order to convince them that their lives will be shit if they do it, or they will be tortured forever in Hell by God, or whatever, but they will still do it as long as they have the one thing which is critical: opportunity.

And therein lies the real problem: we live in an age where independence is considered the greatest possible attribute in a child. Even in grade 1, teachers grade students based on how independent they are, ie- how little supervision they require. In my son's school, the fucking report card even explicitly grades kids on how little supervision they need! As they get older, we proudly brag to our friends that my little Timmy can ride the bus by himself, wander around town by himself, entertain himself for hours while I maintain my busy workaday life along with my wife, who also maintains her busy workaday life, etc. How convenient that little Timmy doesn't need anyone to watch what he's doing! And oh look, little Timmy wants to go over to little Sarah's house again. How adorable! I'm sure her parents will watch them carefully instead of reading the paper, watching TV, or preparing a sales report for that big Monday meeting.

When I was a kid, it was just not that common for a 12 year old boy and a 12 year old girl to be left alone together, unsupervised. Where do they do it? In the school? I'm sure that happens, but it's highly risky and you'll probably get caught. In the street? You're asking for trouble. At the movies? Hmmm, the chances of this working are higher, especially since nobody chaperones their kids any more. In his parents' house, or hers? Even more likely, since people are quite proud to say that they let their kids have lots of "personal space". It's all about opportunity; when kids have too many opportunities to do it, then sooner or later, they will do it.

[ArmorPierce]

So..., are you for or against kids having sex at that age?

[Zaia]

Perhaps I'm not fit to hold the opinions I hold about parenting, having no children myself, but as a teacher, I have just over three hundred kids and I assure you that I act more in a parental capacity than many of their parents.

I think you're right, D.W. I think that this story was geared towards stirring people up and opening some eyes. Knowing the parents that I know and how clueless they are about the activities their children get up to, I think that perhaps this sort of article is exactly what is needed to club those parents over the head with the realization that maybe little Johnny isn't always best if left completely to his own devices. Maybe at the age of thirteen, he still needs some parental supervision. Maybe if little Johnny had parents that were around instead of always working to make money so they can afford their six bedroom house on 10 acres of land, maybe little Johnny would have people to make sure he does his homework before he plays video games, smokes pot, or drinks a few beers. Maybe little Johnny's parents need to see the problem blown out of proportion to get the message across to them that they need to be more involved in a parental capacity and less in the friend capacity.

I'm not saying I agree with the tactic of exaggerated the topic to make it seem brand new and utterly horrific, but if it succeeds in making one set of parents do their job better, then as far as I'm concerned, it's accomplished something and done some good.

[kojikun]

biology forces kids to fuck when theyre that young, were SUPPOSED to. bizzare morals set up to make biology wrong is just.. stupid

btw, education is incredibly important. kids should be well aware of what sex is etc from a young age, not sheltered. if some kid goes out, has sex, and gets sick because of it, its because the parents are negligent and didnt teach the kid to know to use condoms and what have you.

[jegs2]

biology forces kids to fuck when theyre that young, were SUPPOSED to. bizzare morals set up to make biology wrong is just.. stupid

btw, education is incredibly important. kids should be well aware of what sex is etc from a young age, not sheltered. if some kid goes out, has sex, and gets sick because of it, its because the parents are negligent and didnt teach the kid to know to use condoms and what have you.

Speak for yourself. I wasn't interested in the opposite sex until around 14, and I didn't think about them sexualy until 15.

[Darth Garden Gnome]

Speak for yourself. I wasn't interested in the opposite sex until around 14, and I didn't think about them sexualy until 15.

A late bloomer huh? I found my dads pornos when I was 11. It was about that time I started cheking out the girls at my school. In retrospect, checking out 11 years olds ass is sick to me now, but back then, I had no qualms with it. 'Tis human nature, for sure.

[Exonerate]

biology forces kids to fuck when theyre that young, were SUPPOSED to. bizzare morals set up to make biology wrong is just.. stupid

btw, education is incredibly important. kids should be well aware of what sex is etc from a young age, not sheltered. if some kid goes out, has sex, and gets sick because of it, its because the parents are negligent and didnt teach the kid to know to use condoms and what have you.

They may be physically capable, but are they mature enough? If 12 year olds fuck, sooner or later something is going to happen, may it be one of them gets pregnant, or somehow contracts STDs.

The fact is that a 12 year old girl is in no condition to bear a child, and a 12 year old boy has absolutely no way of supporting one either.

Not all of the responsibility can be placed on the parents, but they have a share of it too. It's the job to keep their children under control and to make sure they are educated. The least they could do is make sure their children fuck with condoms or some other form of protection.

I think a big part of this is that sex is just less and less of a taboo in society.

[Exonerate]

I had my first crush in second grade, but it wasn't until I was in 6th grade until I started to think of girls sexually.

[Darth Wong]

I think a big part of this is that sex is just less and less of a taboo in society.

Driving isn't a taboo in society at all; why don't we see 12 year olds driving around all the time? Oh yeah ... WE DON'T LET THEM.

[Utsanomiko]

Odd, I always knew girls rocked since around age 6 or 7, and I believe I added the sexual angel around 11. Go figure.

EDIT: Urp. Make that 'sexual angle', not 'Sexual Angel'. I'd edit the post itself, but it's too amusing as it is. I was visited by that proverbial Sexual Angel at an early age.

[jegs2]

A late bloomer huh? I found my dads pornos when I was 11. It was about that time I started cheking out the girls at my school. In retrospect, checking out 11 years olds ass is sick to me now, but back then, I had no qualms with it. 'Tis human nature, for sure.

Absolutely. In the long run, I'm better off -- I did marry Sherri afterall. By the time I figured out that I should approach the opposite sex to talk to them instead of irritating them, I was in ninth grade, and most of the ones I approached were already "going with someone." And as I didn't know what to say to them once I got their attention, I never really dated in high school. For many years I was bitter about that, but I got over it in college, where I agressively went after the women to whom I was attracted (although meeting with no success -- probably was aiming too high, and my social skills were pitiful)...

[Alex Moon]

I had my first crush in second grade, but it wasn't until I was in 6th grade until I started to think of girls sexually.

During the summer after second grade, I fooled around with two girls in a clubhouse on the playground of a Children's World. About a year later in CO, another girl and I would sneak into this area between to fences behind the school. After I moved back to Oregon I suddenly became very shy around girls.

[Exonerate]

I think a big part of this is that sex is just less and less of a taboo in society.

Driving isn't a taboo in society at all; why don't we see 12 year olds driving around all the time? Oh yeah ... WE DON'T LET THEM.

A hundred years ago, sex before marrage was a big no no. Even now, many people *coughfundiescough* consider it immoral. People are certainly more comfortable discussing sex, but it's still uncomfortable in some circles.

Sex by itself may not be a taboo, but 12 year olds doing it certainly comes close to it.

[HemlockGrey]

And therein lies the real problem: we live in an age where independence is considered the greatest possible attribute in a child. Even in grade 1, teachers grade students based on how independent they are, ie- how little supervision they require. In my son's school, the fucking report card even explicitly grades kids on how little supervision they need! As they get older, we proudly brag to our friends that my little Timmy can ride the bus by himself, wander around town by himself, entertain himself for hours while I maintain my busy workaday life along with my wife, who also maintains her busy workaday life, etc. How convenient that little Timmy doesn't need anyone to watch what he's doing! And oh look, little Timmy wants to go over to little Sarah's house again. How adorable! I'm sure her parents will watch them carefully instead of reading the paper, watching TV, or preparing a sales report for that big Monday meeting.

Eh. My parents don't even let me walk down the road to my friend's house to watch a DVD and eat popcorn without his parents being there.