World of Tanks

[Vanas]

Actually, I suppose the 3002DB is another properly 'medium' tank in the German line.

It, unlike the 3001H is almost entirely shite though, unless you're a really big fan of the chronically bad 88 L/56. It's alright on the 3601 and the other T6 mediums, but on a T7? Might as well be using spit balls unless you can reliably get behind things.

[AniThyng]

Woohoo, just had an epic run with my Easy 8, where I single handedly finished off a Tiger, a KV-1 and a VK3001 and another KV (granted, they were all <50% health by that point, but I was down to 10% too). After that I made a wild dash into the enemy base and finished off an M7 and a AFK-ed Lee. Would have got the last SPG but my remaining 3 teammates finished the cap just before I could line up the shot. EPIC

Yeah I kinda feel sad that he 88 L56 isn't so great on the Tiger, it can barely pen anything a Tiger is expected to stand up against, it was a terrific relief to get the L71.

I wonder if I should try going for a Panther now that I've completed by Sherman collection and got my Tiger (and will slowly grind for the Tiger II), or try using teh T20. Or maybe the M36 slugger..

[Vanas]

Panther's one of my favourite tanks, to be honest. Get the Absurd 75 and play... well, not a medium.


On a side note: 3601, fuck yeah.

[The Vortex Empire]

Actually, I suppose the 3002DB is another properly 'medium' tank in the German line.

It, unlike the 3001H is almost entirely shite though, unless you're a really big fan of the chronically bad 88 L/56. It's alright on the 3601 and the other T6 mediums, but on a T7? Might as well be using spit balls unless you can reliably get behind things.

The 3002DB is bloody fantastic. It's fast as hell and its armor is sloped enough all around to bounce a fair amount of shells thrown at you. Use the 75mm L/70 and you can just snipe people with impunity or flank them, as you have enough penetration to hurt just about anybody, even if the damage per shell is a bit low. I've killed tier 8 heavies alone with it before just by flanking them and staying behind the turret as they flail about trying to aim at you.

[Darth Wong]

The 3002DB is also a really handy way to get to both the Panther and Tiger for less total research cost than any other route.

Strangely, I think one of my favourite tanks to play is my lowest-tier tank: the Soviet SU-26 artillery unit. This is a unique little baby: it's the only SPG in the game with a turret, so you can actually use a camo net and it will be worth something (especially in conjunction with the SU-26's small profile), because you don't need to rotate your body every time you aim at a new target. Also, the fact that you don't need to rotate your body means that the aiming circle never suddenly expands to huge size, the way it does with other SPGs.

I had two games in this thing with 9 kills each, in the last week alone. In the second one, one of the players on the other team actually complained that it was impossible to win because of the "laser-guided SU-26 shells" coming from our side. On a map with open terrain, a fully upgraded SU-26 with a well-trained crew and the right equipment modules is absolutely lethal to tanks near its own tier.

[xthetenth]

Strangely, I think one of my favourite tanks to play is my lowest-tier tank: the Soviet SU-26 artillery unit. This is a unique little baby: it's the only SPG in the game with a turret, so you can actually use a camo net and it will be worth something (especially in conjunction with the SU-26's small profile), because you don't need to rotate your body every time you aim at a new target. Also, the fact that you don't need to rotate your body means that the aiming circle never suddenly expands to huge size, the way it does with other SPGs.

Turreted SPGs win at everything. The batchat 155 at tier 8 on the French tree is also turreted, and that thing's a great support piece because it can retarget really fast and hammer a salvo of four shells on target. Flexibility is a really good trait for artillery to have.

[Zinegata]

Okay, thanks to another terrible run with the M103 I switched back to playing the AMX-12.

And hot damn, I managed to kill (well, okay, finish off) a T-44, Lorraine 40t, and a Jagdtiger 88 in one round.

I love this little bastard so much.

[xthetenth]

Nice. I didn't like the 12t that much because back when I played it it had terrible turret angles and some other serious flaws. After getting used to the 13 90, I'm starting to think I might be able to do something impressive with it. It's got the same amount of damage in the can as the 13 75 after all, a tier lower, and that's pretty much the most important pseudo hidden stat of French tanks as long as they move decently. However, I must say, just wait till you get the 13 90. It's good for quick active dives as a scout early in the game and then later it can gank the hell out of pretty much anything in the game.

[Vanas]

Playing it recently, the 12t just doesn't work for me. Instead of scouting, it just dies. Instead of shooting, it gets hit immediately in the front and ignited. I dunno. It's just not my thing.

[Zinegata]

Does the accuracy get better though with the AMX-13 series? That's my only real issue with the 12t; especially with my 80-ish crew.

[Skywalker_T-65]

Yeah, the accuracy kind of sucks with the 12t. I don't know about the later ones since I'm still grinding the 12t, so I can't say more than that.

Though I do agree with Vanas...the 12t doesn't scout as well as it could, at least for me. It's not fast enough, and while it has four shots in the gun at all times, it has a horrible reload time, so once those shots are gone you need to run for your life, which doesn't work when it can't out run your enemy...

[Nephtys]

Okay, thanks to another terrible run with the M103 I switched back to playing the AMX-12.

And hot damn, I managed to kill (well, okay, finish off) a T-44, Lorraine 40t, and a Jagdtiger 88 in one round.

I love this little bastard so much.

The M103 is a really counter-intuitive tank. In fact, it's really subtle how different the thing works. For one, it's armor is ultra-thin, but sloped at magnificent angles. I deflected shots from Obj-704s and JagTigers in it several times. At other times meanwhile, an E8 Sherman penetrates me. Likewise, in theory it's first 120mm gun is good. But in reality, your opponents really DO require the final gun to be effectively engaged due to tiering.

Most vehicles benefit from having a 15 degree angle to the enemy. NOT true for the M103. It's angles are optimized against the target you are directing facing. Your turret sides are paper-thin, as are any parts of your hull that's not the exact front. Only the lower glacis is weak on your frontal profile. So stay back where they have issues accurately aiming for weak spots, and fire away with that hyper-accurate 120mm.

[PhilosopherOfSorts]

The 3002DB is also a really handy way to get to both the Panther and Tiger for less total research cost than any other route.

Strangely, I think one of my favourite tanks to play is my lowest-tier tank: the Soviet SU-26 artillery unit. This is a unique little baby: it's the only SPG in the game with a turret, so you can actually use a camo net and it will be worth something (especially in conjunction with the SU-26's small profile), because you don't need to rotate your body every time you aim at a new target. Also, the fact that you don't need to rotate your body means that the aiming circle never suddenly expands to huge size, the way it does with other SPGs.

I had two games in this thing with 9 kills each, in the last week alone. In the second one, one of the players on the other team actually complained that it was impossible to win because of the "laser-guided SU-26 shells" coming from our side. On a map with open terrain, a fully upgraded SU-26 with a well-trained crew and the right equipment modules is absolutely lethal to tanks near its own tier.

I loved my Su-26, especially when I first got it, before they reworked HE damage. It was my Soviet Slammer*, I'd run it platooned with my roommate and his T29/T32 and be confident of being useful, I even took out a T34 with it once.


*EDIT: Also, Ivan Kablaminov

[Zinegata]

Though I do agree with Vanas...the 12t doesn't scout as well as it could, at least for me. It's not fast enough, and while it has four shots in the gun at all times, it has a horrible reload time, so once those shots are gone you need to run for your life, which doesn't work when it can't out run your enemy...

I never scout with the 12t. Instead I hang right behind a large group of heavier tanks and then swoop in to pick off a distracted enemy. I also tend to "manual reload" the six shooter constantly before engagements, even when I've only fired one shot.

The M103 is a really counter-intuitive tank. In fact, it's really subtle how different the thing works. For one, it's armor is ultra-thin, but sloped at magnificent angles. I deflected shots from Obj-704s and JagTigers in it several times. At other times meanwhile, an E8 Sherman penetrates me. Likewise, in theory it's first 120mm gun is good. But in reality, your opponents really DO require the final gun to be effectively engaged due to tiering.

Most vehicles benefit from having a 15 degree angle to the enemy. NOT true for the M103. It's angles are optimized against the target you are directing facing. Your turret sides are paper-thin, as are any parts of your hull that's not the exact front. Only the lower glacis is weak on your frontal profile. So stay back where they have issues accurately aiming for weak spots, and fire away with that hyper-accurate 120mm.

My problem is that I often find myself being the lead tank in the M103, as opposed to a support tank in the second line where it truly excels. Or that I am the lone tank scurrying to defend an entire flank (which also makes me the lead tank again) because everyone in the team has autism and heads off in one direction while leaving all the others exposed.

Otherwise, I've pretty much "gotten" how the M103 works. Even in losses I tend to get at least 10 shots off now.

[Mr. Coffee]

derp... wrong goddamn thread. Stupid ass multi-window browsing...

[Skywalker_T-65]

How do you manual reload anyway? I've been trying to do that with autocannon tanks but never figured it out...and I think I killed a Sherman the last time I used the 12t, so at least that's something

[The Vortex Empire]

How do you manual reload anyway? I've been trying to do that with autocannon tanks but never figured it out...and I think I killed a Sherman the last time I used the 12t, so at least that's something

Default button is c.

[Skywalker_T-65]

Thanks, I'll try that out later. For now I need to get that online thing for college done...

[Rekkon]

Excellent news from the second 7.5 test.

Rebalanced tank battle tiers (relatively to the new balance system introduced in the first 7.5 version)
Valentine LL: battle tier reduced by 1
A-32: battle tier reduced by 1
PzKpfw V/IV and PzKpfw V/IV alpha: battle tier reduced by 1
German PzKpfw B2 740 (f) and French B1: battle tier reduced by 1
Super Pershing: battle tier reduced by 1
Type 59: battle tier reduced by 1

I was hoping the first round of testing would show that the Val's tiering needed to be updated.

[The Infidel]

Strangely, I think one of my favourite tanks to play is my lowest-tier tank: the Soviet SU-26 artillery unit. This is a unique little baby: it's the only SPG in the game with a turret, so you can actually use a camo net and it will be worth something (especially in conjunction with the SU-26's small profile), because you don't need to rotate your body every time you aim at a new target. Also, the fact that you don't need to rotate your body means that the aiming circle never suddenly expands to huge size, the way it does with other SPGs.

I had two games in this thing with 9 kills each, in the last week alone. In the second one, one of the players on the other team actually complained that it was impossible to win because of the "laser-guided SU-26 shells" coming from our side. On a map with open terrain, a fully upgraded SU-26 with a well-trained crew and the right equipment modules is absolutely lethal to tanks near its own tier.

Thanks for the tip. My first battle with SU-26 on the testserver for 7.5 ended with victory and 5 kills. Not bad when, due to lack of players, each team had only 9 units. Think I will enjoy this, just like I love my BT-2. IS-4 isn't that much fun, acctually.

[PhilosopherOfSorts]

Victory!
Battle: Sand River Sunday, July 22, 2012 1:18:33 AM
Vehicle: VK 3001 (P)
Experience received: 3,560 (x2 for the first victory each day)
Credits received: 36,967
Battle Achievements: Böelter's Medal, Top Gun

Ten kills and five detections. At the start of my little rampage my team was down 4 to 8, at the end, we (well, I, really) had won.

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

In a VK 3001 shit(P)iece, no less. Impressive.

[PhilosopherOfSorts]

In a VK 3001 shit(P)iece, no less. Impressive.

What's wrong with the VK3001 (P)? I haven't noticed anything really bad about it, not since I got the 88, anyway. Its actually one of my favorites so far.

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

They may have tweaked it since I had mine in beta, but back then it was pretty awful. Mediocre armor paired with truly godawful speed. I don't remember if it had the 88 option then or not.

[Broken]

Agreed, haven't touched the VK3001(P) in a very long time; the drawbacks were paper-thin armor and an absurd turning radius mixed with great acceleration and the 88 for good or ill. I don't know if it has been revised since then, but it was considered a very painful grind to get the 88 and then out of the tank.