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CaptainChewbacca wrote: KS, if police responded to a noise call and got no answer but found the front door unlocked, would they be likely to open it and look around?
I can only speak for myself but I don't usually try door knobs on noise complaints. If it was unlocked I certainly wouldn't push it open because there's no point. Anything you witnessed would be useless in court.
Aaron MkII wrote: This why risk assessment should be manditory for CCW, because I've seen a lot of this as well. Other then just bugginh out the only other sensible suggestion is Marina's a couple pages.

These guys would have started a serious backlash against legal carriers/owners. If someone had returned fire and hit or killed an innocent, what charges would they be looking at?
That would depend on what an investigation revealed. What the CCW holder saw and what his preception was at the time he/she fired.
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That in part depends on what the visibilty was like at the time, since we know the perp released some sort of tear gas. I think the bigger question is, if he/she at least took the guy down before he could have done any more damage. As for whether they were would have been trained, weren't some of the people in there military guys? :?:
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Yes, there were military people in the audience and at least one of them was killed (Navy sailor).
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Apparently the guy who did it actually told the cops he had booby-trapped his apartment- it defeats the purpose of setting traps if you tell people they're there :wtf:
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EnterpriseSovereign wrote:That in part depends on what the visibilty was like at the time, since we know the perp released some sort of tear gas. I think the bigger question is, if he/she at least took the guy down before he could have done any more damage. As for whether they were would have been trained, weren't some of the people in there military guys? :?:
We're not a magic wand. And it kinda depends on the trade, what if the military guy is a clerk?
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there was aslo an army staff sargent killed at the theater. getting tired of hearing hypocracy about this story from the conservative friends I have all around me in real life around here...
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Darth Wong wrote:When people snap like this, people always look into his religious beliefs or academic and job issues. No one ever puts the spotlight on the obvious: no girlfriend.

Easy women. They could save America.
You may be onto something.
TMZ wrote:A man claiming to be James Holmes created a profile on a popular sex website just days before "The Dark Knight Rises" massacre ... in which he described his penis as "short/average" ... and law enforcement sources tell TMZ investigators are now looking at the site to determine its authenticity.

"Holmes" created the profile on AdultFriendFinder.com July 5 -- and included a picture of himself with reddish, orange hair ... just as officials in Aurora, CO said he looked when he was apprehended Friday morning.

"Holmes" -- who used the screen name classicjimbo -- included a cryptic message on the top of the profile which reads, "Will you visit me in prison?"

In his profile, "Holmes" says he's 6'0" and single ... with an athletic body. Note -- the FBI says Holmes is 6'3".

"Holmes" describes himself as a "light/social drinker" ... but in the section where he's asked if he smokes or does drugs, he answered, "I'd prefer not to say."

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"Holmes" also noted that he's circumcised.

"Holmes" described himself as a straight man ... and said he was seeking a sexual relationship with "Women, Couples (man and woman), Groups or Couples (2 women)."

"Holmes" also notes that he's interested in "Erotic Chat or Email, Discreet Relationship, 1-on-1 sex or Group sex (3 or more!)"

In the section marked, "Introduction" ... "Holmes" said, "Looking for a fling or casual sex gal. Am a nice guy. Well, as nice enough of a guy who does these sort of shenanigans."

According to the website, "Holmes" last logged in to the site sometime in the past 3 days.

"Holmes" posted 2 different photos of himself -- including one shot in which he is posed in front of an image of a woman while wearing headphones.

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BTW, when a guy self-describes his junk as "short/average", that means it's really, really tiny.
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Are you saying he shot up a theater because he has a small cock?
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Well, yeah, if some hot woman had distracted him with hot sex then maybe he wouldn't have gone to the movies. On the other hand, if he turned out to be a psycho boyfriend we'd either criticize the woman for staying with him ("But I'm preventing a massacre! And he loves me! And I'm preventing a massacre!") or she'd be found under a slab of concrete in his basement 10 years later, along with his other girlfriends.

Some of these guys can't get laid because no sane woman (and even a lot of insane ones) find him too creepy to put out for.
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Aaron MkII wrote:Are you saying he shot up a theater because he has a small cock?
Nah, that was just for clarification. Did you miss the part in the first photo that said "Will you visit me in prison?". Also, the wide range of what kind of freak he was up for in the "Looking For" section kind of screams "Please God - Get me laid!!!". To me, at least.
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No I didn't, I just see it all the time on those things because it means you show up in more searchs.

The prison thing, I admit that's wierd. I was also expecting Freudian shit, so I apologize for that.
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Aaron MkII wrote:
EnterpriseSovereign wrote:That in part depends on what the visibilty was like at the time, since we know the perp released some sort of tear gas. I think the bigger question is, if he/she at least took the guy down before he could have done any more damage. As for whether they were would have been trained, weren't some of the people in there military guys? :?:
We're not a magic wand. And it kinda depends on the trade, what if the military guy is a clerk?
Also to consider most militaries frown on soldiers/sailors/airmen carrying weapons off base. If the military in question insists its people go everywhere armed that means spree killers are not your biggest worry. Usually that means you are more worried about hearing "Allah Akubar" screamed out just before the bright flash followed by the loud noise. Or you are in former Yugo. :)
Most current and former service types that I know don't carry concealed. Maybe it's different in the US. (oddly the one country I've never visited...)
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whackadoodle wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:When people snap like this, people always look into his religious beliefs or academic and job issues. No one ever puts the spotlight on the obvious: no girlfriend.

Easy women. They could save America.
You may be onto something.
TMZ wrote:A man claiming to be James Holmes created a profile on a popular sex website just days before "The Dark Knight Rises" massacre ... in which he described his penis as "short/average" ... and law enforcement sources tell TMZ investigators are now looking at the site to determine its authenticity.

"Holmes" created the profile on AdultFriendFinder.com July 5 -- and included a picture of himself with reddish, orange hair ... just as officials in Aurora, CO said he looked when he was apprehended Friday morning.

"Holmes" -- who used the screen name classicjimbo -- included a cryptic message on the top of the profile which reads, "Will you visit me in prison?"

In his profile, "Holmes" says he's 6'0" and single ... with an athletic body. Note -- the FBI says Holmes is 6'3".

"Holmes" describes himself as a "light/social drinker" ... but in the section where he's asked if he smokes or does drugs, he answered, "I'd prefer not to say."

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"Holmes" also noted that he's circumcised.

"Holmes" described himself as a straight man ... and said he was seeking a sexual relationship with "Women, Couples (man and woman), Groups or Couples (2 women)."

"Holmes" also notes that he's interested in "Erotic Chat or Email, Discreet Relationship, 1-on-1 sex or Group sex (3 or more!)"

In the section marked, "Introduction" ... "Holmes" said, "Looking for a fling or casual sex gal. Am a nice guy. Well, as nice enough of a guy who does these sort of shenanigans."

According to the website, "Holmes" last logged in to the site sometime in the past 3 days.

"Holmes" posted 2 different photos of himself -- including one shot in which he is posed in front of an image of a woman while wearing headphones.

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BTW, when a guy self-describes his junk as "short/average", that means it's really, really tiny.
It looks like him, first court pictures have come out and it's a strong resemblance. Unfortunately it's going to be some time before we know if the DA will push for the death penalty- I find it hard to believe that any DA in their right mind won't insist on it.
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And some more
MSNBC wrote:A student who lived across the hall from Holmes at Cal-Riverside, who asked not to be named, said Holmes completed the honors program and was a member of Phi Beta Kappa and Golden Key honor societies.

"I always thought that he was a little strange. I could never put my finger on it, but something told me to not get too close to him, female instincts I guess," the female student told NBC News. "I had tons of classes with him and lived across from him in the Honors dorms. He was a very smart guy though. He was a little bit of a weird guy, but we were honors students, so weird people were kind of common."
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Malivotti wrote:Most current and former service types that I know don't carry concealed. Maybe it's different in the US. (oddly the one country I've never visited...)
Most current and former military folks I know here in the US don't walk around heavily armed, either.
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EnterpriseSovereign wrote:It looks like him, first court pictures have come out and it's a strong resemblance. Unfortunately it's going to be some time before we know if the DA will push for the death penalty- I find it hard to believe that any DA in their right mind won't insist on it.
Reasons NOT to go for the death penalty:

1) Requires an even higher standard of proof than non-capital cases. Granted, the proof in this case seems pretty fucking solid.
2) Takes longer
3) A jury might be more likely to convict for "life without parole" than for "death", especially if the defendant is batshit insane, or even just suspected of being so
4) I don't know if it's the case in Colorado, but in some jurisdictions capital convictions are automatically appealed and the case will be in and out of courts for years decades. On the other hand, a "life w/o parole" is much more likely to simply be over and done.

The DA has stated he wanted to consult with the families of the victims. Some families find the years-long round of appeals for a capital case to be traumatizing and would prefer not to be subjected to that. The DA does not have to do what the families want, but he is certainly able to consider their opinion and if he does so that shows more consideration for victims/families than is typical in the US system.

Was it me, or did Holmes/Joker appear more or less stunned and dazed in that court room? Did I mishear, or did the judge actually ask if he had been medicated or sedated? He seemed.... off.
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Malivotti wrote:Most current and former service types that I know don't carry concealed. Maybe it's different in the US. (oddly the one country I've never visited...)
Most current and former military folks I know here in the US don't walk around heavily armed, either.
I'm pretty sure being in the military doesn't give you an automatic CCW right, so if they don't have a CCW permit they'd get in trouble for it.
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Broomstick wrote:
EnterpriseSovereign wrote:It looks like him, first court pictures have come out and it's a strong resemblance. Unfortunately it's going to be some time before we know if the DA will push for the death penalty- I find it hard to believe that any DA in their right mind won't insist on it.
Reasons NOT to go for the death penalty:

1) Requires an even higher standard of proof than non-capital cases. Granted, the proof in this case seems pretty fucking solid.
2) Takes longer
3) A jury might be more likely to convict for "life without parole" than for "death", especially if the defendant is batshit insane, or even just suspected of being so
4) I don't know if it's the case in Colorado, but in some jurisdictions capital convictions are automatically appealed and the case will be in and out of courts for years decades. On the other hand, a "life w/o parole" is much more likely to simply be over and done.

The DA has stated he wanted to consult with the families of the victims. Some families find the years-long round of appeals for a capital case to be traumatizing and would prefer not to be subjected to that. The DA does not have to do what the families want, but he is certainly able to consider their opinion and if he does so that shows more consideration for victims/families than is typical in the US system.

Was it me, or did Holmes/Joker appear more or less stunned and dazed in that court room? Did I mishear, or did the judge actually ask if he had been medicated or sedated? He seemed.... off.
According to Wikipedia:
Colorado was the last state to perform an execution in the pre-Furman period (1967), but since 1977 executed only one prisoner, and may thus be considered as de facto abolitionist since 11 October 2007.
What I'm wondering is, what if some families want him to be executed and some don't?
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EnterpriseSovereign wrote: What I'm wondering is, what if some families want him to be executed and some don't?
It's up to the DA. He takes the families wishes into consideration but it's not as though he's bound by it.
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Broomstick wrote:Well, yeah, if some hot woman had distracted him with hot sex then maybe he wouldn't have gone to the movies. On the other hand, if he turned out to be a psycho boyfriend we'd either criticize the woman for staying with him ("But I'm preventing a massacre! And he loves me! And I'm preventing a massacre!") or she'd be found under a slab of concrete in his basement 10 years later, along with his other girlfriends.

Some of these guys can't get laid because no sane woman (and even a lot of insane ones) find him too creepy to put out for.
Eh, let's not take Wong too seriously about this.
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Was it me, or did Holmes/Joker appear more or less stunned and dazed in that court room? Did I mishear, or did the judge actually ask if he had been medicated or sedated? He seemed.... off.
They cannot legally drug or sedate him by force, however if diagnosed (with say, schizophrenia) and treated, such information would be privileged until he enters a psychiatric defense plea and thus the authorities would not know about it.

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On another board we've got some actual schizophrenics and folks with psych disorders that can cause deranged thinking/behavior. They have given examples of past instances where they did bad things while under the influence of their delusions (though nothing on the level of what this guy apparently did) then "snapped out of it" to the realization they did bad things and a crushing load of guilt. I don't fully understand such things, but I suppose it raises the possibility that his contact with reality waxes and wanes. If he's just come out of some psychotic or manic sort of episode he could be both physically and emotionally exhausted and/or not sleeping properly. I emphasize that is pure speculation, but it could provide an alternate explanation for his demeanor in court today. If he is still fully under some sort of delusion he may not be sleeping due to paranoid ideation, some sort of notion that if he falls asleep some harm will come to him. Sleep deprivation could certainly account for his behavior.
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Glocksman wrote:Personally I'd say most civilian gun carriers (including myself), would be best off simply leaving their gun holstered and bugging out.
This is what I don't understand or get. What's the point of allowing people to carry handguns if the majority of them aren't qualified/trusted or trained enough to even stop violence. What is the purpose of other types of guns outside of a private backyard or range? Sure have your hunting guns those usually don't leave the property or ranges, but handguns or high capacity rifles outside of home defense makes no sense. Is stricter licensing or registration/regulation thought of just another way for the government to wring more money out of you? What suggestions would pro-gun people put forward, or do they even think there is a problem because a typical argument put out is if everyone was armed this stuff wouldn't happen.
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There is a world of difference between drawing a gun on a knife-wielding single mugger and attempting to outshoot a nutjob with multiple guns, lots of ammo, smoke grenades, and at least rudimentary body armor.

An important part of survival is knowing your limitations. Probably lots of gun owners could take out a single target in clear air and some decent lighting. Most people would NOT be able to take out one target in a crowded, dark theater filling up with some sort of irritant gas.

Do you still need the difference between the two scenarios explained, or have you learned something?
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Glocksman wrote:Personally I'd say most civilian gun carriers (including myself), would be best off simply leaving their gun holstered and bugging out.
This is what I don't understand or get. What's the point of allowing people to carry handguns if the majority of them aren't qualified/trusted or trained enough to even stop violence. What is the purpose of other types of guns outside of a private backyard or range? Sure have your hunting guns those usually don't leave the property or ranges, but handguns or high capacity rifles outside of home defense makes no sense. Is stricter licensing or registration/regulation thought of just another way for the government to wring more money out of you? What suggestions would pro-gun people put forward, or do they even think there is a problem because a typical argument put out is if everyone was armed this stuff wouldn't happen.
Broomstick wrote:There is a world of difference between drawing a gun on a knife-wielding single mugger and attempting to outshoot a nutjob with multiple guns, lots of ammo, smoke grenades, and at least rudimentary body armor.

An important part of survival is knowing your limitations. Probably lots of gun owners could take out a single target in clear air and some decent lighting. Most people would NOT be able to take out one target in a crowded, dark theater filling up with some sort of irritant gas.

Do you still need the difference between the two scenarios explained, or have you learned something?
Besides, throughout history a large percentage of trained soldiers couldn't bring themselves to shoot the enemy. It's not as easy as the movies and video games make it out to be.
Broomstick wrote:Well, yeah, if some hot woman had distracted him with hot sex then maybe he wouldn't have gone to the movies. On the other hand, if he turned out to be a psycho boyfriend we'd either criticize the woman for staying with him ("But I'm preventing a massacre! And he loves me! And I'm preventing a massacre!") or she'd be found under a slab of concrete in his basement 10 years later, along with his other girlfriends.

Some of these guys can't get laid because no sane woman (and even a lot of insane ones) find him too creepy to put out for.
Amen, though Wong was obviously joking. Anyway, isn't Adult Friend Finder (like Craig's List) basically a place to hire hookers? If pros wouldn't fuck this guy (let's face it, if he could afford all those guns he should have been able to afford a call girl once in a while), why should any other female?
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