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ACA cuts deficits too
The narrative that seems to be going around Washington argues that there are two schools of thought about how to improve our financial outlook. One side wants to cut spending. The other side wants to increase taxes. Or, so it goes.

I was out to dinner on Saturday night with a friend who is rather pessimistic about compromise in our government. He believes that the chances for passing anything that might reduce spending on health care in the future are near zero. There's just one problem with his outlook. We've already passed a law that does a great deal to reduce future health care spending.

I have argued many times that I don't think the Affordable Care Act does enough to contain costs. I still believe that's true. But let's not ignore the fact that it does a lot. More, in fact, than anything else passed by Congress and signed into law by a president in quite some time.

Right off the bat, we need to remember that the Affordable Care Act makes significant cuts to future Medicare spending. Reductions in overpayments for Medicare Advantage constitute almost $140 billion in savings over a decade. Changes in the fee-for-service reimbursement schedule add up to almost $200 billion. That's an enormous amount of money, so large that it scared many people into thinking that Medicare would be severely curtailed. Running against Medicare cuts helped sweep the Republicans into power in the House of Representatives in 2010. Often, such arguments came from the same people now decrying the Affordable Care Act for not cutting health care spending enough.

But that's just the tip of the iceberg. There are lots of other payment reforms (PDF) that should "bend the curve" for Medicare in the next decade. Hospitals will be punished for re-admissions for certain conditions. This is expected to save $8.2 billion. Refusing payments for hospital-acquired conditions should save another $3.2 billion. Accountable care organizations, for better or for worse, are expected to save almost $5 billion in the first eight years as well.

Everyone hates waste in the system. The health care act does something about that as well. Specifically, it strengthens our means to investigate and then go after people who abuse Medicare or Medicaid. The Congressional Budget Office has calculated that the health care act's provisions for abuse of these programs could reduce spending by an additional $1.8 billion.

Surely you've heard about the Independent Payment Advisory Board? This one, too, has cost the administration politically. It's been demonized as an actual "death panel" of unelected, unaccountable people who will ration your Medicare. That's not true. The panel is made up of people who need Senate approval (not easy), and they don't serve for life. Moreover, they have a very specific, limited task.

If, and only if, the amount of money Medicare spends per person goes up faster than the consumer price index, the panel will make recommendations to Congress on how to get Medicare to spend less. By statute, they can't "ration" care or increase premiums, deductibles or co-payments. Still, what makes this a better cost control than what existed before is that these recommendations automatically become law unless Congress can pass a different plan that achieves the same savings. Because Congress has a hard time passing anything these days, that's not as likely to happen. The payment advisory board gets going in 2014, and in just its first five years, it's expected to reduce spending for all Medicare programs by more than $23 billion (PDF).

These are just mechanisms acting on government insurance, though. The Affordable Care Act has some measures that affect private spending as well. The excise tax is one of those. Starting in 2018, plans that cost more than a certain amount will have a 40% tax levied on employers who provide them. Let's acknowledge that such taxes will absolutely be passed on to regular people, so it doesn't matter who is stuck with the bill at first. It's also worth acknowledging that the levels where the tax kicks in are really high ($10,200 for an individual plan and $27,500 for a family). Even so, many believe that this will eventually be one of the strongest levers the Affordable Care Act contains to rein in spending in the future.

We should also mention the insurance exchanges themselves. Although it will take time to work out the kinks, the general idea is that the exchanges should reduce the administrative burden of individually rating and selling plans to consumers. Insurance companies instead will have to compete on value, and try to negotiate with providers to reduce spending to remain competitive. We'll have to see how well this works.

Finally, the law invests in the Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute and the CMS Innovation Center, which may lead to new ideas to contain costs as well. These are difficult to score, but they are being researched.

You could argue that any one of these (other than the cuts to Medicare) is on the smaller side. But when you add them up, they start to get significant. So much so, that the Congressional Budget Office estimates that the Affordable Care Act reduced the long-term fiscal gap by 2% of the gross domestic product over the next 75 years. That's about 25% to 33% of what is necessary to stabilize the debt in the long run. Granted, some of that deficit reduction comes from new taxes. But some of it also comes from reduction in future spending. Parts of the act cost money. Parts of the act save money. Overall, it is deficit reducing.

You may not like these types of efforts. They may offend your political sensibilities. You may favor a more consumer-driven type of system, or one that relies less on panels of experts. But there's a difference between arguing that you want different measures and pretending those measures don't exist.

Further, some have argued that these measures won't last. Someone will change them. Someone will gut them. But you have to remember that right now, they are law. Making them weaker requires action. Specifically, it requires a House and Senate to pass something altering them, and then a president to agree to sign it. That's hard to do in today's environment.

Of course, some are campaigning on trying to do that right now. They want to overturn all of the above completely. That's fine; it's their right. But it's hard to understand how you can argue that the "other side" isn't serious about decreasing future health care spending while simultaneously working toward overturning the law it passed that does just that.
Any comments? On a grand scale, I do agree with the sentiment. Its hard to see why the Republicans routinely lambast the ACA as being budget busting when it has so many measures meant to recover money or cut spending.

Especially with the whole new "tax" attack angle that's coming about.
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Republicans, quite simply, don't want the government to get its foot in the door when it comes to health care. They don't want there to be this kind of federal influence over the matter. And they have very firm ideas about how a deficit reduction plan should work, and at whose expense.
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PainRack wrote:Any comments? On a grand scale, I do agree with the sentiment. Its hard to see why the Republicans routinely lambast the ACA as being budget busting when it has so many measures meant to recover money or cut spending.

Especially with the whole new "tax" attack angle that's coming about.
Unfortunately for many people personal politics trumps facts.

See global warming, creationism, austerity measueres, etc.
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Is it that simple?

Are there actual people saying "no, my personal politics trumps these facts?"

Or is the problem that people just ignore whatever 'facts' they see that don't look like facts? Because I've seen that happen here too; I've done it myself. Sometimes we turn out to be wrong, or the issue turns out to be a lot more complicated than I think, because I'm screening out the stuff that I think is irrelevant. And I'm doing it prematurely.
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It's not quite that simple. Mostly, it's a form of confirmation bias-When you believe that Government ruins Everything, and cutting taxes always stimulates the economy, you tend to reject evidence that suggests otherwise. And if someone says that they can make government work, that a sweeping new initiative can save money, you reject that out of hand, because you know that's not how the world works. Nobody consciously says 'My personal politics refute these facts', but it often seems that is what they must be thinking.
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Simon_Jester wrote:Is it that simple?

Are there actual people saying "no, my personal politics trumps these facts?"

Or is the problem that people just ignore whatever 'facts' they see that don't look like facts? Because I've seen that happen here too; I've done it myself. Sometimes we turn out to be wrong, or the issue turns out to be a lot more complicated than I think, because I'm screening out the stuff that I think is irrelevant. And I'm doing it prematurely.
Obviously, it is both. Ignoring facts that don't fit, and not recognizing facts that don't fit.
Vehrec wrote:It's not quite that simple. Mostly, it's a form of confirmation bias-When you believe that Government ruins Everything, and cutting taxes always stimulates the economy, you tend to reject evidence that suggests otherwise. And if someone says that they can make government work, that a sweeping new initiative can save money, you reject that out of hand, because you know that's not how the world works. Nobody consciously says 'My personal politics refute these facts', but it often seems that is what they must be thinking.
Look at the crap various think tanks, institutes, etc put out consistently misrepresenting facts, lying, contradicting themselves, etc. Yes, there are people who deliberately refute facts with politics.

Hell, just look at political ads.
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I'm just wondering whether its 5 blind men touching elephant issue of perspective.

On one hand, the ACA is being presented as a budget busting items, having to pay for lots of other things, while on the other hand, its being passed as taxes! taxes!


Amidst the noise, the true picture of the act is obscured.
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The opponents of the ACA are mostly people who don't accept the idea of fixing a budget shortfall by passing a new tax. They basically think that all taxes inherently make the economy worse. To be more formal about it than most of them are, they think that taxed money that goes to most federal spending always has a multiplier value of less than one when it comes to the overall economy.
D.Turtle wrote:Obviously, it is both. Ignoring facts that don't fit, and not recognizing facts that don't fit.
In politics, the line between facts and perspectives isn't nearly as clear as I'd like it to be.
Look at the crap various think tanks, institutes, etc put out consistently misrepresenting facts, lying, contradicting themselves, etc. Yes, there are people who deliberately refute facts with politics.

Hell, just look at political ads.
How many of those people do you really think believe that they are lying, in the sense of sheer defiance of reality?

If you think this plays a major role- that people are actually saying to themselves "yes, everything you say is scientific fact, but I don't care because I'm a Blahist..." well. If you think that's a significant force in politics compared to the number of people who don't trust you to report facts to them, I don't think 'political commentator' is a good hobby for you.
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Simon, most people who oppose ACA do so simply because it is a Democrat initiative and Obama's specifically. The Republican party of today defines itself by opposition to anything and everything Democrats do and the great majority of opposition to the ACA comes from there. And one of the requirements of being a serious Republican these days is a reflexive rejection of reality and facts whenever they empirically contradict the party dogma.
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Simon_Jester wrote:How many of those people do you really think believe that they are lying, in the sense of sheer defiance of reality?

If you think this plays a major role- that people are actually saying to themselves "yes, everything you say is scientific fact, but I don't care because I'm a Blahist..." well. If you think that's a significant force in politics compared to the number of people who don't trust you to report facts to them, I don't think 'political commentator' is a good hobby for you.
The way I think it works, is that there is a relatively small number of people in various influential positions who do not care about facts or truthfulness, and instead only care about their personal (power) politics. The lies and bullshit spread by them gets handed down and multiplied, strengthening and supporting the political worldview of the vast majority of people who only see facts supporting their worldview and ignore anything that doesn't fit.

This makes that deliberate distorting of facts a significant force in politics, in spite the vast majority of people not doing it deliberately.

I do not in any way think that this compromises my hobby as a political commentator.
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I think even most of the politicians believe (more or less) what they're saying. It strains belief to think that every congressman, or every donor, is just a cunning manipulator who's making it all up. Especially when they've been saying much the same things for decades. Many of the congressman of today were young political activists thirty years ago, and have held substantially the same policies for all that time. They were antitax under Reagan, they're antitax now.

There are certainly things politicians say just because they know it will sell. Calls for campaign finance reform often fall under this heading. But you simply wouldn't get hundreds of congressmen willing to play chicken with the national debt unless a lot of them really believed it was at least vaguely a good idea.
Edi wrote:Simon, most people who oppose ACA do so simply because it is a Democrat initiative and Obama's specifically. The Republican party of today defines itself by opposition to anything and everything Democrats do and the great majority of opposition to the ACA comes from there. And one of the requirements of being a serious Republican these days is a reflexive rejection of reality and facts whenever they empirically contradict the party dogma.
Edi, I don't think it's that simple.

ACA would never have been proposed at all in that time frame, if the Republicans had been in power. You can talk about Romneycare in Massachusetts if you want, but that's Massachusetts, a place where the electorate is going to be demanding it. Overall, if you had asked the average Republican what they thought of a program to require all Americans to buy health insurance to keep premiums down (plus the rest of the ACA), they would have opposed it without knowing whose idea it was going to be.
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Would you stop with the fucking strawmanning of my position?
ACA would never have been proposed at all in that time frame, if the Republicans had been in power. You can talk about Romneycare in Massachusetts if you want, but that's Massachusetts, a place where the electorate is going to be demanding it. Overall, if you had asked the average Republican what they thought of a program to require all Americans to buy health insurance to keep premiums down (plus the rest of the ACA), they would have opposed it without knowing whose idea it was going to be.
You are an idiot.

The individual mandate was a REPUBLICAN idea.
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I think a legitimate point can be made that todays average republican would categorically reject government mandate of health insurance in any way shape or form because the last several years has seen the intensification of the constant drumbeat of "government bad" to convince people of that. The mandate as suggested by Republicans was back during the Clinton administration as a "alternative" to Hillarycare, when that hadn't quite been the case yet.
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The individual mandate was supported by conservative Republicans like New Gingrich all the way into 2009.

The only reason they have stopped support for the individual mandate is because it became part of the ACA.

It has nothing to do with "government bad" - its purely politics.
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