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What is the point of my countiuned existance.

Post by SWPIGWANG »

If the point of life is to enjoy the time we have, and we are incapable of enjoying life, then there is no point to life, or attempts to stay alive.

:cry:

Life is so painful...............so painful it is generalized without specific events attached to it anymore.........



I know from your perspective I'm merely a whiny, stupid, darwin award worthy teen that have never truely suffered or actually have to work to stay alive with most of the comforts modern civilization can provide.

What good is that, if you can't enjoy it.

What good is life, when it can only get worst.

Reguardless of how the environment changes, I am me.

A optimist believe this is the best world possible, the pessimisits knows it.

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help.................


help................

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I'm going to vote against suicide here.

It's true that there isn't much reason to live, but there's even less of a reason to die. Have whatever fun you can have, and remember that it's better to feel sad than to feel nothing at all.

Wish I could say more. Cheer up.
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Make friends and ignore what those asshats up there say.
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XaLEv wrote:Make friends and ignore what those asshats up there say.
Yeah, while suicide can be fun to joke about just like anything else, I don't think it's really appropriate to do so when an acquaintance is contemplating it. SPWIG and anybody else out there, please talk this over with someone you trust.
It's bad enough to do something that you regret, it's worse to do something that everybody else regrets.
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SWPIGWANG, think about this very carefully:

Do you really want to be dead, or just end the pain in your life?
THere is a very big difference between the two.

Life can be sucky, I know, but it's better than the alternative, K?

If you're on the edge, CALL A CRISIS CENTER immediately!! They're in the phonebook, usually under therapists or psychologists.

Or if you can, at least wait until tomorrow before you make any crazy decisions. You're in school, IIRC. Most schools offer cheap/free counseling, and I highly suggest you and speak with a professional tomorrow. It's confidential (even anonymous, some places) and payment is based on your ability to pay (ask about sliding scale rates). Make an appointment tomorrow with the uni health center, and give them a basic idea of where you're coming from.

Seriously dude.

I've helped bury too many friends because they didn't ask for help, and that fucking sucks.

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One word of advice: Don't do it. Just because your depressed right now doesn't mean you should end your life. Wait until things get better-they almost always do.
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SWPIGWANG...feels kind of odd to call you that in this sort of situation...dude, don't give in. Not without a fight. You'll always have friends here (believe it or not). Go get some help. Talk to people. Talk to your parents. Most importantly, don't wuss out. Suicide is for pussies. You don't want to be a pussy, do you? I know you're better than that.

And please ignore Shep and Skimmer, since they never take things seriously unless it directly affects their lives.
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Dalton wrote:Portions of this thread have been HOSed.
That's good. It can't be terribly reassuring for someone's suicide consolation thread to be locked. I hope SPWIGWANG comes out all right.
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Why is everyone comtemplating the meaning/pointlessness of life all of a sudden? I feel as though I've had a hand in this. :x

Suicide is pointless. It's like quiting a board game but having nothing else to play...
...This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old...ultraviolence.
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SWPIGWANG, the fact that you posted a cry for help shows that some part of you wants to hang on and keep fighting. Don't let that go.

I won't try to feed you a lot of meaningless tripe about how wonderful the world actually is or the True Meaning of Life. But don't give in to whatever black despair that seems to have you in its grip. It's too early to make the decision to check out. Existence is Uncertain at best. I'd say it's 50/50 that it will turn out crap at any given time. But the chance that it won't is still above zero, and that's always a positive chance. Enough to take a gamble on.

Don't go down, mate. Not yet.
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UltraViolence83 wrote:Why is everyone comtemplating the meaning/pointlessness of life all of a sudden? I feel as though I've had a hand in this. :x

Suicide is pointless. It's like quiting a board game but having nothing else to play...
Don't go blaming yourself (and nice analogy, btw). From what I gather, people get depressed from time to time. It shouldn't be unusual among our ranks; we are, after all, composed significantly of socially awkward teenagers (and socially awkward older people, for that matter), and many of us may have periods of self-doubt or depression.
But it's nothing to be ashamed of, and those times are when it's best to come here or anywhere else where you feel comfortable and welcome.
Because whatever you value, be it logic, some sort of god, or anything else, suicide just isn't worth it. Your friends should be able to remind you of that, and I like to think that, when it comes down to it, we're mostly friends here.

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Of course, if you believe in reincarnation you can play another board game, but you'd have to learn the rules all over again. Fuck that.
...This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old...ultraviolence.
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UltraViolence83 wrote:Of course, if you believe in reincarnation you can play another board game, but you'd have to learn the rules all over again. Fuck that.
hehehe. I suppose that's true.
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I got that "Suicide is Painless" Manson song stuck in my head now... :roll:
...This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old...ultraviolence.
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I've contemplated suicide before. I've considered all the possibilities that I could think of what would happen if I killed myself. Most of my problems in life stem from my personality. I can be a real stubborn jackass sometimes. I don't like to ask for help, I don't like to be dependant on others, and that can get me in trouble. I don't socialize that much, because growing up I had a lot of bad experiences with assholes. Being honest and open when you're a kid can be brutal when all the other kids aren't. So I reverted, forced myself to become the opposite, at least until I knew people well enough to trust them with who I am. Those people are few and far between sometimes. Sometimes they just don't seem to exist. Sometimes there are things even I can't bring myself to tell them.

Sometimes the only person I have to confide in is myself. It's not easy. Having other points of view to consider is essential, and you can't provide them all. The world rains down trouble and pain all around you, and if you can't find someone to help share the burden with, or try to find some good out there, it can seem hopeless. This is where being stubborn helps.

Life might be bad now. It might be rough, terrible, the worst time of your life, or it might be just before the worst time of your life. You don't know. The only thing you can possibly know for certain is that if you commit suicide, you will have nothing to look forward to, ever. You'll never know the joys of raising a child to become an adult. You'll never have another orgasm. You'll never play another game, read another book, see another movie. You'll never laugh at another joke, cry tears of joy, or feel that little twinge in your chest as that girl you like smiles at you.

Those things are yours. You can never give them up. So long as you are alive, those things are yours for the taking. It may not be easy, and it may not be right now, but it's there, waiting for you. If you give up, you lose everything.

My advice to you is to change your situation. Move. Change schools. Get a new job. Meet new people, try to make new friends, friends who you can connect with and who geniunely care about you. Remove whatever it is that is causing you pain from your life as best you can. You can't think clearly in the middle of a conflict. Pull yourself back to a safe distance and work out the problem from there.

If you commit suicide, you'll never know if you could have had a happy ending.
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I didn't say I'm going to do it tomorrow or anything, but I was just considering my options..........after something painful hit me

and living doesn't look like a good one......... :(



I wonder what is the point when all there is in life is pain. I have no desire to die, but i have no desire to live a life of pain, but that is what I have ahead of me.

It is not because my life is rough, but i am oversensitive and would suffer strongly for the smallest things. In this sistuation, environmental changes sort of utopia would not help. Given who I am, things can't really get better anyway. So I have free money, freedom, parents to bail me and all that and everything is still screwed up. If that is inadquate, nothing isn't.

There is no fundamental value to life or anything else, and 3 die second. I will not be missed if I die reguardless of what people say, and my death don't really matter. If like is pain and artifical sortening of lifespan does nothing, why live?

This makes me remember the sad logic of life. People easily get more attention by dying then they would otherwise get in a life time. Death is worth more than life. No one cares about the living, but everyone jump in when people dies, especially if explosives are involved.

It is inlogical for me to live if I think about the results........


no justification


Move. Change schools.
No economic resources, though changing to a less esteem punishing program might help, but it is defeat in itself.
Get a new job.
ha, sorry I'm incapable of any productive work anyway.
Meet new people, try to make new friends, friends who you can connect with and who geniunely care about you.
Not an realistic option as no one wants to connect to a whiny, depressed negative person that would like to vent endless at the person closest. Or maybe I can find a co-dependent, but they'd just use me anyway.

and a loveless person can not receive love, for he can not believe it.
Remove whatever it is that is causing you pain from your life as best you can.
which would be life. As Stalin say, "death solves all problems, no man, no problem"
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SWPIGWANG wrote:
Remove whatever it is that is causing you pain from your life as best you can.
which would be life. As Stalin say, "death solves all problems, no man, no problem"
Then what the fuck are you waiting for? Either shut up or get on with it.
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MKSheppard wrote:
SWPIGWANG wrote:
Remove whatever it is that is causing you pain from your life as best you can.
which would be life. As Stalin say, "death solves all problems, no man, no problem"
Then what the fuck are you waiting for? Either shut up or get on with it.
Oh, yeah, Sheppard, you're REALLY helping.
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Pcm979 wrote:
Oh, yeah, Sheppard, you're REALLY helping.[/quote]

I've been in the same position before, but with 12 gauge at hand...so...
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mind sending me the 12 gauge?

p.s., I live in toronoto
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SWPIGWANG wrote:mind sending me the 12 gauge?

p.s., I live in toronoto
Can't. It was melted down, and I don't think Canadian Customs would
let me mail you a shotgun :lol:
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SWPIGWANG wrote:I didn't say I'm going to do it tomorrow or anything, but I was just considering my options..........after something painful hit me

and living doesn't look like a good one......... :(
Death is not an option, it is the end of all options. It is the total lack of options.
I wonder what is the point when all there is in life is pain. I have no desire to die, but i have no desire to live a life of pain, but that is what I have ahead of me.
If that is what you believe, that is all you will ever get. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
It is not because my life is rough, but i am oversensitive and would suffer strongly for the smallest things. In this sistuation, environmental changes sort of utopia would not help. Given who I am, things can't really get better anyway. So I have free money, freedom, parents to bail me and all that and everything is still screwed up. If that is inadquate, nothing isn't.
It might seem like that now, while you're in the middle of all of this, but once you enter into a new environment, things can and do change. Oddly enough, boarding school can really help in situations like this, as can moving away to college. You'd be amazed what a simple change of scenery can do for people.
There is no fundamental value to life or anything else, and 3 die second. I will not be missed if I die reguardless of what people say, and my death don't really matter. If like is pain and artifical sortening of lifespan does nothing, why live?
Life is not pain, but pain is a part of life, just as joy and happiness are a part of life. If you die, you will never get to meet anyone else, and nobody else will get to meet you. All of your ideas, thoughts, your very personality will be gone, and whatever you have left behind will forever be tainted by the fact that you took your own life.
This makes me remember the sad logic of life. People easily get more attention by dying then they would otherwise get in a life time. Death is worth more than life. No one cares about the living, but everyone jump in when people dies, especially if explosives are involved.
Death is given more attention than life because it is tragic. It is the loss of a human being. Life is taken for granted, and most people still don't know how to come to terms with death. But the idea that death will get people's attention is worthless. What good is that attention? You will be dead. You can't bask in the glow of attention when you are dead. You can't take it with you. Whatever satisfaction you get must come from your life.

As for death being worth more than life, I can frankly say that is completely false. But then I've seen my mother work for hours attempting to resuscitate a stillborn puppy, then see that same puppy grow up to be the healthiest of the litter. I've also watched my mother put loved pets to sleep in front of their owners. I've lost a Grandmother and a Grandfather from different sides of the family, and had to come to the realization that I'll never be able to speak to either of them again. I'll never be able to talk to them about their lives. They'll never be able to contribute to my life ever again.
It is inlogical for me to live if I think about the results........


no justification
Can you honestly say that you've never had a good day in your life? That you've never experienced joy or happiness?
Move. Change schools.
No economic resources, though changing to a less esteem punishing program might help, but it is defeat in itself.
Even public schools have different districts. If you're taking courses and doing activities that are running you ragged, there is no shame in scaling back your workload. If you're doing too much, you'll burn out. That's not defeat, and it's certainly nowhere NEAR suicide. I dropped out of honors chemistry because the teacher was a fucking asshole and a terrible teacher. He taught the regular chem class like they were total morons, and he taught the honors and AP classes like they already knew everything. So I made it up in summer school later that year. In comparison, my sister was valedictorian of her High School.

There's a huge difference in taking only what you can handle and completely cracking down into a bundle of nerves by taking on too much. If you're doing a hectic workload for college admissions, don't. Most colleges would rather see that you have the ability to know what your limits are so that you don't burn out partway through and drop out or commit suicide.
Get a new job.
ha, sorry I'm incapable of any productive work anyway.
Who said it needed to be productive work? Shelve books at the library, run the register at the local supermarket, hell, get a job being a camp counselor for the summer. Just do something.
Meet new people, try to make new friends, friends who you can connect with and who geniunely care about you.
Not an realistic option as no one wants to connect to a whiny, depressed negative person that would like to vent endless at the person closest. Or maybe I can find a co-dependent, but they'd just use me anyway.
That's another self-fulfilling prophecy. If nothing else, look for some professional help. There's a balance you have to find, between all-out-venting and letting the pressure out before it needs to be vented or blow. No, nobody is going to appreciate being on the receiving end of depressed venting all the time, especially because that's such a one-way street. However, if you don't talk about your problems and share them with someone, it's only going to get worse.
and a loveless person can not receive love, for he can not believe it.
You want to believe it though, don't you?
Remove whatever it is that is causing you pain from your life as best you can.
which would be life. As Stalin say, "death solves all problems, no man, no problem"
Stalin also said, "One death is a tragedy. One hundred thousand deaths is a statistic." That clearly invalidates your idea that death is more valuable than life, but then any hostage situation should have taught you that. In any case, Stalin was a mass-murdering psychopath. Do you really think that he's a good source for basing a major life decision?

Life is not causing you pain. You're over-generalizing the problem and not thinking about it rationally. This is why I'm saying you need to get some distance. You feel beset on all sides by whatever it is that's bothering you, and it feels as if everything is against you. It's like you've got on a blindfold and are walking in a thunderstorm. All you can feel, hear, and sense is that it's raining, loud, and wet. Keep walking around like that and you'll imagine that the storm is all there is to the world. Finally, you decide to give up, never knowing that just five more feet in front of you there was an open door leading to a nice, warm fire.

In other words, right now you aren't seeing the forest for the trees.
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SWPIGWANG wrote: help................

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If you believe as I do that this life is a chance to prepare for an eternity in Heaven, you've a lot to look forward to! If you do not, then there is still so much for which to live. You're still young and confused -- teenage years are like that for most folks, but as you get older, things will get clearer and less confusing. There is much to live for -- you may well be the one who brings hope and help to others! :)
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