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Gandalf wrote:Look at it this way; the GOP endorse him as their candidate for office. He's a part of the Republican brand, and as such what he does in his capacity as a GOP guy reflects on them, and those who vote for them.
Just out of curiosity, does the same logic work in reverse? If the Republicans can find a crackpot who happens to be a democrat running for congressional nomination who say, says he'll bring in a constitutional amendment to integrate the United States as a province of the People's Republic of China, and offers to be commandant of the first reform-through-labour camp, and the GOP funds him to secure the nomination, then does the entire Democratic party then need to be judged by what's said by this GOP funded whackaloon?
To elaborate on this post, the way I see it either...

1) All voters are sensible enough that we should just rule out the effects of campaign funding - but people complain about Republican presidential candidates having more funds and this being an advantage. If funding doesn't matter in this senate nomination, why does it matter for the Presidential election? Unless...
2) Republicans (who voted here) are sensible enough that we should just rule out the effects of campaign funding, but the general population aren't. This would imply that Republican party members are more rational than the general population otherwise...
3) The point about this guy being funded by the Democrats because he's a grade A+ moron must be taken into account, and the Democrats share some responsibility for this winning senate candidate... being a morally stunted grade A+ moron.
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That's the thing. Even if the Democrats gave him a billion dollars, unless that billion was spent on a mind control ray, people STILL voted for him on their own accord. If the people were sensible, then the Democrats funding him would have been wasting their money. Ultimately, the pushed the lever down and voted for Akin. That is where responsibility lies. Absolutely the same thing would be true if the Republicans funded a liberal crackpot. Funding does make a difference, but ideally it shouldn't, and it is the fault of the voter if they let it influence them more than what the candidate says and does.
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Just out of curiosity, does the same logic work in reverse? If the Republicans can find a crackpot who happens to be a democrat running for congressional nomination who say, says he'll bring in a constitutional amendment to integrate the United States as a province of the People's Republic of China, and offers to be commandant of the first reform-through-labour camp, and the GOP funds him to secure the nomination, then does the entire Democratic party then need to be judged by what's said by this GOP funded whackaloon?
The thing is, the stances this guy espouses are not radically different than viewpoints that have been espoused by dozens of other high-profile Republican candidates. So your hypothetical example wouldn't be at all equivalent to this. Maybe if the crazy Democrat were saying things like all guns should be illegal and rich people's taxes should be increased 100 fold, because those are at least relatively consistent with broader Democratic policies.
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He's not saying rapists shouldn't get punished. He's saying abortion bans should not have exceptions for rape victims, because magic.
I see it completely differently, mister. If you just accept that rape can never result in pregnancy as an axiom, then no pregnancy can be the result of rape no matter what she says. Objectively it happens, but under this morailty system you will never condemn, or even realize, a rape resulting in pregnancy. What happens if an axiom is not checked rationally but simply thrown around as a divine commandment?

Shit, I know the answer to that last one.
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Ziggy Stardust wrote:The thing is, the stances this guy espouses are not radically different than viewpoints that have been espoused by dozens of other high-profile Republican candidates. So your hypothetical example wouldn't be at all equivalent to this. Maybe if the crazy Democrat were saying things like all guns should be illegal and rich people's taxes should be increased 100 fold, because those are at least relatively consistent with broader Democratic policies.
Indeed, my example is deliberate hyperbole, because the equivalent, (repeal the second amendment, ban all guns, or say, nationalize all healthcare) as an extreme (to the American debate) but-half-plausible Democrat policy would actually be seen as meritorious by some of the audience (the healthcare one, to me, seems entirely meritorious). Which is why the absurd example, I don't think anyone would support it.
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It gets even better.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/us/po ... ml?_r=1&hp
While Republicans at the national level were in a hurry to shove him aside, Republican opinion had not hardened against Mr. Akin in Missouri, in part because of the salience of the abortion issue. “The congressman is totally, firmly, solidly pro-life,” Sharon Barnes, a member of the state Republican central committee, said, adding that Mr. Akin believed “that abortion is never an option.”

“That’s more the point that he was trying to get across,” she said.

Ms. Barnes echoed Mr. Akin’s statement that very few rapes resulted in pregnancy, adding that “at that point, if God has chosen to bless this person with a life, you don’t kill it.”

“That’s more what I believe he was trying to state,” she said. “He just phrased it badly.”

Ms. Barnes said that she believed that the controversy would blow over, and that once people in the state became more familiar with Mr. Akin, they would learn “what a great, conservative, godly man Todd Akin is, and they’ll put his comment in its proper context.”
The fact that some Republicans are trying to say that he's being taken out of context is mind-boggling.
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Hello?! I live in Missouri and I think the guys a wackjob! This Ms. Barnes is wrong on so many levels...
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General Zod wrote:It gets even better.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/us/po ... ml?_r=1&hp
While Republicans at the national level were in a hurry to shove him aside, Republican opinion had not hardened against Mr. Akin in Missouri, in part because of the salience of the abortion issue. “The congressman is totally, firmly, solidly pro-life,” Sharon Barnes, a member of the state Republican central committee, said, adding that Mr. Akin believed “that abortion is never an option.”

“That’s more the point that he was trying to get across,” she said.

Ms. Barnes echoed Mr. Akin’s statement that very few rapes resulted in pregnancy, adding that “at that point, if God has chosen to bless this person with a life, you don’t kill it.”

“That’s more what I believe he was trying to state,” she said. “He just phrased it badly.”

Ms. Barnes said that she believed that the controversy would blow over, and that once people in the state became more familiar with Mr. Akin, they would learn “what a great, conservative, godly man Todd Akin is, and they’ll put his comment in its proper context.”
The fact that some Republicans are trying to say that he's being taken out of context is mind-boggling.

Isn't there a bunch of shit in the Old Testament about rape essentially being the womans fault unless she fights back or screams or something? That's clearly the genesis (HA!) of this douchebags retardidity.
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The Onion is going nuts with this. I don't know if they are really offended, or just jumping on a bandwagon:
I Misspoke—What I Meant To Say Is 'I Am Dumb As Dog Shit And I Am A Terrible Human Being'

By Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO)



As a politician, I often find myself in situations where, unfortunately, I express a certain thought or idea poorly, or find my words taken out of context. Indeed, that is what happened this weekend. Upon reviewing the impromptu remarks I made Sunday afternoon, I can now see that I used the wrong words in the wrong way. I would now like to set the record straight with the American people and clear up some confusion about what it was I intended to convey.

You see, what I said was, “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.” But what I meant to say was, “I am a worthless, moronic sack of shit and an utterly irredeemable human being who needs to shut up and go away forever.”

It is clear to me now that I did not choose my words with care and did not get across the point I was trying to convey. In hindsight, I guess instead of using the words “legitimate rape,” I should have used the words “I am an unforgivable, unrepentant, and unconscionable subhuman dickhead.” Or better yet, “I am an evil, fucked-up man who should never have been elected to the United States Congress, and anyone who would vote for me is probably a pretty big fucking dumbshit, too.” See how much more sense that makes? It’s amazing how a few key word changes can totally alter the meaning of a statement.

Because, of course, it’s all about context. And yes, when you take what I said out of context, I can see how it might sound like I’m denying that women can be impregnated via rape. This is, I assure you, not what I was trying to express at all. Such is the age we live in that one little sentence excerpted in a news report can come back to haunt a person in a pretty big hurry. But if you actually go back and look at the remarks closely, you’ll see that what I was actually trying to convey in my statement was that

(1) I am a big fucking idiot,

(2) I am a nauseating slug of a human being who doesn’t deserve to live, and

(3) I am essentially everything that’s wrong with this country and with humanity in general.

Honestly, that’s all I was trying to get across there. It was a simple misunderstanding, really.

It’s funny, because, in my head, I remember thinking very vividly, “I, Rep. Todd Akin, am a bigoted jackass who probably should not be alive, let alone in political office. People need to know what a terrible person I am so they will then remember to punch me in the face anytime they get the chance.” But when I opened my mouth and tried to articulate that thought, somehow I blurted out the thing about rape instead of just saying, in plain English, that I am awful, just purely and incontrovertibly awful.

Frankly, it’s hard not to make a mistake from time to time when you’re in the public eye as much as I am. I am constantly having to speak my mind in a public forum, and sometimes, when all I’m trying to say is something simple and inarguable, like, “Sweet Jesus, I am the worst person who has ever lived,” I wind up saying something completely different. It’s frustrating, really. Because I have a lot of very pertinent and very well-thought out things to say about how somebody should just smack me in the head with a goddamned cricket bat because of how brainless and insensitive I am, but instead my words just come out all jumbled.

I guess I just have a habit of putting my foot in my mouth! And for being the very worst that Western Civilization has to offer!

So let me take this opportunity to be very specific about what I meant Sunday, which was this: I am not a competent or respectable politician; I am, essentially, a subhuman monster of a prick, a prick as profoundly insensitive as he is monumentally unintelligent in every respect; somebody should apply dozens of layers of duct tape to my mouth every morning so that words are not able to exit my large, dumb, misogynist, imbecilic mouth at any point; I make the planet worse; I don’t know jack shit about any of the topics I spoke about in that interview, or about any topics at all, really; I should apologize every day to the women of the world, but doing so would most likely be an exercise in futility given my rock-bottom intellect and my complete and utter lack of human decency; I am, in no uncertain terms, not even worth the time it took you to read this.

That’s what I meant to say. Sorry for the confusion.
Republicans Condemn Akin's Comments As Blemish On Party's Otherwise Spotless Women's Rights Record

WASHINGTON—In the wake of last weekend’s highly controversial comments from Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO), top Republican officials condemned the congressman’s statements Monday, calling them a black mark on the party’s otherwise flawless record on women’s rights issues. “Throughout our history, whether it’s been our position on birth control, abortion, or equal pay for equal work, Republicans have always stood together with women, listening to their needs and fighting for issues that are are important to them. That is why we were stunned that someone from our own party could have made such insensitive remarks or expressed such uninformed opinions about women,” said Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus, calling Akin’s comments an outlier, especially when one considers the huge, progressive strides—both personally and professionally—the GOP has helped women make over the years. “We apologize for Congressman Akin. And we want the nation’s women to know that they will continue to have no greater ally than the the Republican Party.” Priebus added that while there was certainly no excuse for Akin’s comments, after 150 years without a single insensitive remark against women, perhaps the GOP was due.
Pregnant Woman Relieved To Learn She Wasn't Legitimately Raped

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LITCHFIELD, CT—Though she was initially upset following the brutal sexual assault last month that left her pregnant, victim Martha Byars told reporters she was relieved Sunday to learn from Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO) that her ability to conceive her unwanted child proves she was not, in fact, legitimately raped.

“Being violently coerced into having sex was the worst thing that’s ever happened to me, so I take comfort in knowing it wasn’t actually rape,” Byars said of the vicious encounter in which she was accosted in an alleyway by a stranger, pinned to the ground, and penetrated against her will for 25 minutes. “It was absolutely horrific—I felt violated in the worst way imaginable—but thanks to Congressman Akin, I now realize it must, at some level, have been consensual after all.”

“Thank God for that,” Byars added. “I’m so relieved to know that my child’s father, the man who muffled my screams as he forcefully penetrated me over and over and left me hemorrhaging to death on the street, is not a rapist.”

Explaining that the Republican senatorial candidate’s statements had “really opened her eyes” by helping her understand the workings of her own reproductive system, Byars said she only wishes she could have known at the time of her near-fatal assault that the female body has ways to shut down conception during cases of tried-and-true rape.

“Now that I know the truth, I realize none of the telltale signs of legitimate rape were there at all,” mused Byers, noting that her body did not in any way shut down but in fact continued to register excruciating pain throughout the entire cruel ordeal. “I must have at least subconsciously wanted it—otherwise, the sperm wouldn’t have been able to enter my body.”

“Not only is this knowledge a blessing for me,” she continued, “but it will no doubt bring great hope to the tens of thousands of women who are forcibly and savagely impregnated in the United States every year.”
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NecronLord wrote:Just out of curiosity, does the same logic work in reverse? If the Republicans can find a crackpot who happens to be a democrat running for congressional nomination who say, says he'll bring in a constitutional amendment to integrate the United States as a province of the People's Republic of China, and offers to be commandant of the first reform-through-labour camp, and the GOP funds him to secure the nomination, then does the entire Democratic party then need to be judged by what's said by this GOP funded whackaloon?
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NecronLord wrote:
Ziggy Stardust wrote:The thing is, the stances this guy espouses are not radically different than viewpoints that have been espoused by dozens of other high-profile Republican candidates. So your hypothetical example wouldn't be at all equivalent to this. Maybe if the crazy Democrat were saying things like all guns should be illegal and rich people's taxes should be increased 100 fold, because those are at least relatively consistent with broader Democratic policies.
Indeed, my example is deliberate hyperbole, because the equivalent, (repeal the second amendment, ban all guns, or say, nationalize all healthcare) as an extreme (to the American debate) but-half-plausible Democrat policy would actually be seen as meritorious by some of the audience (the healthcare one, to me, seems entirely meritorious). Which is why the absurd example, I don't think anyone would support it.
Unfortunately, NecronLord, I don't think there's anything you could say that's crazy enough that someone won't stroke his chin and say "good idea."

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That's insane. That's such a blatant abuse of the President's power, he'd be thumbing his nose at Congress and daring them to impeach him. And my brother, in the room said "Good idea. Needs some refinement. But good idea."
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Half of it is in the presentation. You can make almost anything sound good if it's said the right way and pick your audience.
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I love Bobby Kennedy, but why make him the man who gets a statue commemorating the violent conquest of another country?

Not that thats the wackiest thing there...
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In other news, GOP Higher ups have basically said Akin needs to step aside for someone else or else they are Pulling all money from his election.
National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman John Cornyn (R-Texas) has informed Rep. Todd Akin that the national GOP will not spend money to help elect him to the Senate in the aftermath of Akin’s controversial comments about “legitimate rape,” according to an NRSC aide.

Cornyn also told Akin that, by staying in the race, he is endangering Republicans’ hopes of retaking the majority in the Senate, the aide said.

It’s the second example Tuesday of Republicans pulling money from the race. The GOP outside group American Crossroads and its affiliated nonprofit Crossroads GPS have also canceled a scheduled buy this week on Akin’s behalf. (That news was first reported by Politico and confirmed to The Fix.)

Akin said in an interview on Mike Huckabee’s radio show about 1 p.m. eastern that he will stay in the race.

“I’m not a quitter. My belief is we’re going to move this thing forward,” he said. “To quote my friend John Paul Jones, I’ve not yet begun to fight.”

Cornyn said in a statement released after Akin’s interview: “I recognize that this is a difficult time for him, but over the next 24 hours, Congressman Akin should carefully consider what is best for him, his family, the Republican Party, and the values that he cares about and has fought for throughout his career in public service.”

The NRSC and Crossroads were primed to spend more money on Akin’s race than the candidate himself was likely to spend.

The NRSC has reserved $5 million worth of time in Missouri, and Crossroads has spent more than $5 million this cycle.

The lack of funding from outside groups would severely hamper Akin, who has not been able to raise much money early in the campaign.
While it is still too soon to chear, if he stays in without GOP backing victory for him is going to be near impossible.
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Crossroads Inc. wrote:In other news, GOP Higher ups have basically said Akin needs to step aside for someone else or else they are Pulling all money from his election.
National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman John Cornyn (R-Texas) has informed Rep. Todd Akin that the national GOP will not spend money to help elect him to the Senate in the aftermath of Akin’s controversial comments about “legitimate rape,” according to an NRSC aide.

Cornyn also told Akin that, by staying in the race, he is endangering Republicans’ hopes of retaking the majority in the Senate, the aide said.

It’s the second example Tuesday of Republicans pulling money from the race. The GOP outside group American Crossroads and its affiliated nonprofit Crossroads GPS have also canceled a scheduled buy this week on Akin’s behalf. (That news was first reported by Politico and confirmed to The Fix.)

Akin said in an interview on Mike Huckabee’s radio show about 1 p.m. eastern that he will stay in the race.

“I’m not a quitter. My belief is we’re going to move this thing forward,” he said. “To quote my friend John Paul Jones, I’ve not yet begun to fight.”

Cornyn said in a statement released after Akin’s interview: “I recognize that this is a difficult time for him, but over the next 24 hours, Congressman Akin should carefully consider what is best for him, his family, the Republican Party, and the values that he cares about and has fought for throughout his career in public service.”

The NRSC and Crossroads were primed to spend more money on Akin’s race than the candidate himself was likely to spend.

The NRSC has reserved $5 million worth of time in Missouri, and Crossroads has spent more than $5 million this cycle.

The lack of funding from outside groups would severely hamper Akin, who has not been able to raise much money early in the campaign.
While it is still too soon to chear, if he stays in without GOP backing victory for him is going to be near impossible.

A poll done yesterday says he's still in the lead. MO is apparently full of retards. If he's still got an edge in October I fully expect he'll get his funding back.
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Yeah it is sadly...makes me wish I lived somewhere else. But look at it this way...at least he isn't running for President and winning that!
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Even though Obama made a statement that Mitt Romney does not condone the statements of Rep Akin. I really really hope that they bring out the fact that Congressman Paul Ryan co-wrote a bill with Akin contriving this "forcible rape" categorization.

If a democrat made the statements that Akin did, Romney would without hesitation try to tie Obama to it, even if he ended up making stuff up.
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John Fugelsang nails it:
If you're a rapist who'd really like to choose the mother of his child have Todd Akin & Paul Ryan got a bill for YOU.
This IS, after all, the same GOP that passed the forced vaginal ultrasound bill in Virginia, so forcibly ramming things into women's bodies is a good thing according to them.
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Flagg wrote: A poll done yesterday says he's still in the lead. MO is apparently full of retards. If he's still got an edge in October I fully expect he'll get his funding back.
Was the poll conducted almost immediately and released? Because if it was just released yesterday most of the work would probably be done before Akin made his comments.
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It's actually kind of strange that they're running from his comments even though so many of them openly supported "personhood" amendments which would outlaw abortion even for rape victims.

If it's all about the fact that he embarrassed himself on a medical or scientific matter, you'd think that wouldn't bother them. This is the same party which diagnosed Terri Schiavo to be intelligent based on a video clip, declared that global warming is a hoax, and is full of creationists.
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Flagg wrote: A poll done yesterday says he's still in the lead. MO is apparently full of retards. If he's still got an edge in October I fully expect he'll get his funding back.
Was the poll conducted almost immediately and released? Because if it was just released yesterday most of the work would probably be done before Akin made his comments.
No, it was done on Monday and released on Monday from what I saw on TV.
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Darth Wong wrote:It's actually kind of strange that they're running from his comments even though so many of them openly supported "personhood" amendments which would outlaw abortion even for rape victims.

If it's all about the fact that he embarrassed himself on a medical or scientific matter, you'd think that wouldn't bother them. This is the same party which diagnosed Terri Schiavo to be intelligent based on a video clip, declared that global warming is a hoax, and is full of creationists.
I think the notion behind their condemnation is to avoid galvanizing the Democratic base. Unlike previous elections, there is actually a very small percentage of self-proclaimed undecided voters this time around. Pretty much everyone knows who they're gonna vote for (or against).

So both sides will spend upwards of a billion dollars trying to convince this very tiny segment of the population, limited to about a dozen swing states, to vote for their candidate. At the same time, however, they must play the deadly game of attempting to galvanize their bases and getting them to vote, while not pissing off the other side's base so much that they do the same. Akin's statement is a blunder because it doesn't help get enough misogynistic conservative men to offset the numbers of outraged women who will now vote for Obama(or more generally, a straight Democratic ticket) because it. At the same time, it alienates some of that tiny, but arguably vital group of undecideds.

At least, that's the thinking behind the condemnation. I'm not entirely convinced that it's necessary, because the Republicans have such a strong gender gap already because of this abortion and birth control nonsense that it's probably insurmountable. Women are going to break heavily Democratic this election and that's that. Additionally, I'm not convinced that undecided voters matter anymore. American politics are more divisive and polarized than they've been in a very long time (maybe ever?), so it may come to the point where the general election is no longer about shuffling to and pleasing the vast middle, but rather getting your base off its ass and outvoting the other side.
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CarsonPalmer wrote:I love Bobby Kennedy, but why make him the man who gets a statue commemorating the violent conquest of another country?
Perhaps the guy in the anecdote thinks Sirhan Sirhan was an Iranian Muslim?

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Flagg wrote:
General Mung Beans wrote:
Was the poll conducted almost immediately and released? Because if it was just released yesterday most of the work would probably be done before Akin made his comments.
No, it was done on Monday and released on Monday from what I saw on TV.
I looked up the poll and it has Akin leading by only a percentage point : http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/2 ... is-Winning

Also according to Gallup: http://www.gallup.com/poll/156545/react ... cally.aspx:
Polls conducted entirely in one day, such as this one, are subject to additional error or bias not found in polls conducted over several days.
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CarsonPalmer wrote:I love Bobby Kennedy, but why make him the man who gets a statue commemorating the violent conquest of another country?
Perhaps the guy in the anecdote thinks Sirhan Sirhan was an Iranian Muslim?
I didn't ask, but I presume that's it. Unless he means it as a more general slap-to-the-face to Israel's less-than-friendly neighbors. But I'm sure there must be better people you could use for that.

Point is, man said something certifiably insane, advocating war and death for hardly any reason. I like the guy and I think that was nuts.
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