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In a recent interview with the National Catholic Register, Father Benedict Groeschel, of the conservative Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, said that teens act as seducers in some sexual abuse cases involving priests.

It's been close to decade since an investigation into clergy sex abuse cases by The Boston Globe unearthed a shocking scandal and cover-up that rocked the foundations of the Catholic Church in the U.S. and around the world.

Ten years may have passed, but the wounds have yet to fully heal in America, especially in light of the recent Penn State allegations, as well as the trial of Monsignor William Lynn, former secretary for the clergy in the Archdiocese of Philadelphia.

In light of this, the recent comments by Groeschel seem both puzzling and jarringly out of step with current sentiments.

In an interview with the National Catholic Register posted this week, Groeschel was asked about his work with the very conservative Friars of the Renewal, a breakaway order he founded 25 years ago. The conversation took an interesting turn, however, when the editor asked about the 78-year-old's work with sexual abuse perpetrators.

"People have this picture in their minds of a person planning to — a psychopath," Groeschel said. "But that’s not the case. Suppose you have a man having a nervous breakdown, and a youngster comes after him. A lot of the cases, the youngster — 14, 16, 18 — is the seducer."

Pressed for clarification, the New York State-based religious leader explained that kids looking for father figures might be drawn to priests to fill a hole.

Furthermore, Groeschel expressed a belief that most of these "relationships" are heterosexual in nature, and that historically sexual relationships between men and boys have not been thought of as crimes.

"If you go back 10 or 15 years ago with different sexual difficulties — except for rape or violence — it was very rarely brought as a civil crime. Nobody thought of it that way... And I’m inclined to think, on [a priest's] first offense, they should not go to jail because their intention was not committing a crime."

The fact that the interview was published, without comment, in the National Catholic Register was significant due to the publication's affiliation with disgraced Legion of Christ religious order.

In 1995 the legion was part of a group of investors who saved the National Catholic Register from closing. The powerful clerical order was also part of one of the most damaging scandals, involving its one-time leader, the Rev. Marcial Maciel, the highest-profile Catholic clergyman ever to be accused of sexual abuse, according to Time magazine.

In 2005, the Vatican scrambled to try to minimize the damage done by revelations that the extremely influential Mexican priest had been abusing seminarians for year.

Groeschel is an influential voice in the American Dioceses and continues to maintain a high-profile in the church, writing several books and appearing weekly on a religious television network.

The priest received a doctorate in psychology from Columbia University in 1971 and now lives in Larchment, N.Y., where he assists with Trinity Retreat, a center for prayer and study for the clergy he founded.

Trinity House stirred controversy in 2006 when the press learned that New York priests credibly accused of sexually abusing children, but not legally convicted, had the option of a life-long close supervision program that began with a stay at the retreat. In the wake of community objections, the Archdiocese later removed Trinity House from the list of program's offered facilities, according to the Larchmont Gazette.

Groeschel is also a professor of pastoral psychology at St. Joseph’s Seminary of the Archdiocese of New York.
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"A young boy getting fucked by a priest is a totally heterosexual relationship. Also, it was totally completely normal and acceptable 10-15 years ago! And you shouldn't lock priests up when they get caught."

It's just too easy to come to the conclusion that this guy is a child rapist.

EDIT: The victim-blaming here is particularly sickening, but hardly unexpected.
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Teens acting as seducers is hardly an excuse for an adult engaging in behavior that is morally and ethically wrong. Most teenagers don't know what the crap they are doing, especially sexually, their experimenting with roles, playing at being adults, but there's a reason we set them apart from adults. Their actions have real consequences, sure, but they don't always understand the nature of those consequences, it's called growing up.

A priest is an adult, he's grown up. He is positioned to be a figure of moral authority, the institution that trains and supports him is responsible for ensuring he lives up to that role, not responsible for making it look like he does when he doesn't.
Adults, and members of the clergy should know how to act as such. The Church has an obligation to support them in doing so, which it was not doing when it shielded them from repercussions and continued to put them in trigger situations afterwards.
Continuing to shirk that responsibility helps no one.

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Adults have been charged with statutory rape when the underage individual straight-up lied about their age to the adult.

So being too weak-willed to avoid breaking the law is hardly an excuse.
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Yes, because a middle aged sex starved douche who has willfully pledged to stay away from sex is PRECISELY the stuff any young homosexual wants.

Do they actually believe their own shit?
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DPDarkPrimus wrote:Adults have been charged with statutory rape when the underage individual straight-up lied about their age to the adult.

So being too weak-willed to avoid breaking the law is hardly an excuse.
Especially when your job is to be a beacon of morality for your immediate surroundings.

A funny exercise would be to rewrite that interview replacing "statutory rape" with "theft".
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I'll admit I don't spend much time around teens but it's kind of hard for me to understand how an adult could be "seduced" by a teen unless there was desire for it to begin with and the "seduction" was just a convient excuse.

And also correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't "It wasn't me, I was seduced" been one of the favorite excuses of child molestors for about as long as there has been laws against sexual abuse of children?
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Reading that I really, really, really thought it was an excellent onion/satire piece.
Then I checked out the link, and went from chuckle to choking.

It's really fucking mindblowing that the people of those congregations still let attitudes like this fly.
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This is the most incoherent excuse, ever, especially the it was okay, once, part. Dude, that was more than 1500 years ago, not 15!

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Pressed for clarification, the New York State-based religious leader explained that kids looking for father figures might be drawn to priests to fill a hole.
unfortunate wording.
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Lord Revan wrote:I'll admit I don't spend much time around teens but it's kind of hard for me to understand how an adult could be "seduced" by a teen unless there was desire for it to begin with and the "seduction" was just a convient excuse.

And also correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't "It wasn't me, I was seduced" been one of the favorite excuses of child molestors for about as long as there has been laws against sexual abuse of children?
Because teens are not yet fully developed yet are awash in sex hormones, and don't yet have the experience to deal with the urges and feelings, yes it is possible for them to act in an inappropriate or tempting manner. Any high school/college teacher can tell you about students having crushes on teachers. I had a few myself, way back in the day, and thank Og the adults around me acted like adults, refusing to do anything to encourage such behavior on my part and acting in an exemplary and ethical manner (except for the junior varsity girls' soccer coach who, apparently, wasn't at all interested in me but did fuck a few of the team, as well as most of the volleyball team he coached, which very much ended in tears for all involved).

See, that's the thing - because the priests are adults, even if some boy was crushing on them it was the responsibility of the adults to not act on that, on either their own feelings or those of the kids/teens involved, and that's if there was any sort of desire/crush on the part of the kids' themselves. Some youngster tempted you, old man? Tough shit. It's your body, control it.

That said, give the scope of the abuse I seriously, seriously doubt this business of kids "seducing" priests is anything more than a minority of cases. Far more likely are priests pressuring kids to have sex then attempting to justify it afterward.
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Broomstick wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:I'll admit I don't spend much time around teens but it's kind of hard for me to understand how an adult could be "seduced" by a teen unless there was desire for it to begin with and the "seduction" was just a convient excuse.

And also correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't "It wasn't me, I was seduced" been one of the favorite excuses of child molestors for about as long as there has been laws against sexual abuse of children?
Because teens are not yet fully developed yet are awash in sex hormones, and don't yet have the experience to deal with the urges and feelings, yes it is possible for them to act in an inappropriate or tempting manner. Any high school/college teacher can tell you about students having crushes on teachers. I had a few myself, way back in the day, and thank Og the adults around me acted like adults, refusing to do anything to encourage such behavior on my part and acting in an exemplary and ethical manner (except for the junior varsity girls' soccer coach who, apparently, wasn't at all interested in me but did fuck a few of the team, as well as most of the volleyball team he coached, which very much ended in tears for all involved).

See, that's the thing - because the priests are adults, even if some boy was crushing on them it was the responsibility of the adults to not act on that, on either their own feelings or those of the kids/teens involved, and that's if there was any sort of desire/crush on the part of the kids' themselves. Some youngster tempted you, old man? Tough shit. It's your body, control it.

That said, give the scope of the abuse I seriously, seriously doubt this business of kids "seducing" priests is anything more than a minority of cases. Far more likely are priests pressuring kids to have sex then attempting to justify it afterward.
well my point is pretty much the same as yours tbh, even if some of the kids acted in a seductive manner, we're not talking about a master seducer or a succubus/inccubus, but a teen who barely knows what he/she is doing and as such it should be fairly easy for a normal adult to simply ignore it or as you worded it not to act on any desire there is.

It seems almost blindingly obvious that the priests are using the "I wasn't to blame they seduced me" as an excuse to avoid blame and I hope they won't succeed as no matter which way you cut it, it was in the end their responsibility.
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Broomstick wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:I'll admit I don't spend much time around teens but it's kind of hard for me to understand how an adult could be "seduced" by a teen unless there was desire for it to begin with and the "seduction" was just a convient excuse.

And also correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't "It wasn't me, I was seduced" been one of the favorite excuses of child molestors for about as long as there has been laws against sexual abuse of children?
Because teens are not yet fully developed yet are awash in sex hormones, and don't yet have the experience to deal with the urges and feelings, yes it is possible for them to act in an inappropriate or tempting manner. Any high school/college teacher can tell you about students having crushes on teachers. I had a few myself, way back in the day, and thank Og the adults around me acted like adults, refusing to do anything to encourage such behavior on my part and acting in an exemplary and ethical manner (except for the junior varsity girls' soccer coach who, apparently, wasn't at all interested in me but did fuck a few of the team, as well as most of the volleyball team he coached, which very much ended in tears for all involved).
Indeed. Teenagers of 14 and 15 can be physically mature, even if they aren't emotionally. Christ, I can't tell if a girl's 14 or 18 when she's dressed up. A physically mature 14 year old can be very alluring - as you say, Broomie, it's up to the adult to say "yep, he/she looks magnificent but I'm not going there".

Physically immature kids, of course, is a whole other ballgame.
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And now for some backpedaling:
Update: National Catholic Register has taken down the interview and Groeschel has offered this statement:

I apologize for my comments. I did not intend to blame the victim. A priest (or anyone else) who abuses a minor is always wrong and is always responsible. My mind and my way of expressing myself are not as clear as they used to be. I have spent my life trying to help others the best that I could. I deeply regret any harm I have caused to anyone.
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If we could harness that backpedaling by hooking it to a generator, we wouldn't need fossil fuels anymore XD
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