Why do France, Germany, and Russia want to veto?

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-03-11 11:52am

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It'd be reasonable to vote for the resolution, since that would give Iraq more time and possibly then Iraq may show some kind of proof that it's destroying its weapons.

Instead, France, Germany, and Russia are trying to veto the resolution, which would remove the deadline and most likely result in the US going to war earlier.

So why do those three countries want to veto that resolution? To show they oppose the US or something?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-03-11 11:57am

Because they're nuts?

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-03-11 11:59am

Here is what I'd like to see:

"But what of the UN?"

Secretary of State Colin Powell walks in, "The UN will no long be of any concern to us. I just spoke to the President, and the Security Council has been dissolved, permanently."

"But without the bureaucracy, who will maintain control?"

"The US military governors will maintain direct control. Fear. Fear of our military will keep them in line."

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-03-11 12:02pm

jegs2 wrote:Here is what I'd like to see:

"But what of the UN?"

Secretary of State Colin Powell walks in, "The UN will no long be of any concern to us. I just spoke to the President, and the Security Council has been dissolved, permanently."

"But without the bureaucracy, who will maintain control?"

"The US military governors will maintain direct control. Fear. Fear of our military will keep them in line."

Beautiful. Just beautiful.

Besides, those countries are just acting out of Anti-American feelings.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-03-11 12:04pm

"Wipe them out... all of them."

Baron Mordo · Post by **Baron Mordo** » 2003-03-11 12:06pm

Maybe because they have stakes in the Iraqi oil fields? Or maybe because they still remember what war is all about?

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-03-11 12:06pm

IIRC, Germany is in shit right now because of a nasty economic recession, so I can see that they don't want to start spending sums of cash on a war in Iraq.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-03-11 12:13pm

IG-88E wrote:IIRC, Germany is in shit right now because of a nasty economic recession, so I can see that they don't want to start spending sums of cash on a war in Iraq.

Their populace is also fairly against the war; their current government has more or less won on this platform (IIRC) and must commit themselves to it.

Next of Kin · Post by **Next of Kin** » 2003-03-11 12:14pm

jegs2 wrote: Here is what I'd like to see:

"But what of the UN?"

Secretary of State Colin Powell walks in, "The UN will no long be of any concern to us. I just spoke to the President, and the Security Council has been dissolved, permanently."

"But without the bureaucracy, who will maintain control?"

"The US military governors will maintain direct control. Fear. Fear of our military will keep them in line."

Okay Grand Moff Jeggs.

Posbi · Post by **Posbi** » 2003-03-11 12:20pm

phongn wrote:
IG-88E wrote:IIRC, Germany is in shit right now because of a nasty economic recession, so I can see that they don't want to start spending sums of cash on a war in Iraq.
Their populace is also fairly against the war; their current government has more or less won on this platform (IIRC) and must commit themselves to it.

Yes, that's right.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2003-03-11 12:58pm

I fail to see how France and the rest can veto this. Here is a direct quote from 13. Decides that, in order to begin to comply with its disarmament obligations, in addition to submitting the required biannual declarations, the Government of Iraq shall provide to UNMOVIC, the IAEA, and the Council, not later than 30 days from the date of this resolution, a currently accurate, full, and complete declaration of all aspects of its programmes to develop chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, and other delivery systems such as unmanned aerial vehicles and dispersal systems designed for use on aircraft, including any holdings and precise locations of such weapons, components, sub-components, stocks of agents, and related material and equipment, the locations and work of its research, development and production facilities, as well as all other chemical, biological, and nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to weapon production or material; Please take note of the unmaned aerial vehicle... They are only vetoing this to protect their own intrests..
441 someone please explain how this can not be a breach..

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-03-11 01:45pm

I've just received this mail.

It's in french, and I'm not in the mood to translate bullshit. Anyway, here it is, for the benefit of those able to understand it.

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peu d'Histoire

Ce test de QI se compose d'une seule question à choix multiple. Tâchez de ne pas vous tromper !

Voici la liste des pays qui ont été bombardés par les Etats-Unis d'Amérique depuis la fin de la deuxième guerre mondiale :

Chine 1945-46
Corée 1950-53
Chine 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonésie 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Congo 1964
Pérou 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodge 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Grenade 1983
Libye 1986
El Salvador années 1980
Nicaragua années 1980
Panama 1989
Irak 1991-99
Soudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yougoslavie 1999

QUESTION :
Dans combien d'entre eux ces bombardements ont-ils fait directement émerger un gouvernement démocratique, respectueux des Droits de l'Homme?

Sélectionnez une réponse :
(a) 0
(b) zéro
(c) aucun
(d) pas un seul
(e) un chiffre entier compris entre -1 et +1

Bonne réponse? BRAVO!
Votre QI est largement supérieur à celui du Président des USA!!! Malheureusement pour vous, vous ne pourrez donc pas vous présenter aux élections américaines...

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Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-03-11 04:40pm

FreeTranslator.com wrote:few history

This test of QI is composed of a single multiple choice question . Try not to cheat!

Here the list of the countries that were bombarded by the america United States since the end of the second World War:

China 1945-46 Corée 1950-53 China 1950-53 Guatemala 1954 Indonesia 1958 Cuba 1959-60 Guatemala 1960 Congo 1964
Pérou 1965 Laos 1964-73 Vietnam 1961-73 Cambodge 1969-70 Guatemala 1967-69 Grenades 1983 Libya 1986 El
Salvador years 1980 Nicaragua years 1980 Panama 1989 Irak 1991-99 Soudan 1998 Afghanistan 1998 Yugoslavia 1999

QUESTION: In how many of them the bombardments diirectly resulted in a democratic, respectful government of the human Rights?

Select a response: (has) 0 (b) zero (c) no (d) not an only one (e) an entire figure understand between -1 and
+ 1

Got it right? Cogratulations! Your QI is widely superior to the one of the President of the USA!!! Unfortunately for you, you will therefore not be able to candidate to the American presidential elections...

Fixed the quote and corrected the text ~ CO

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-03-11 05:22pm

Yes, just because some nations don't think that a fucking military campaign is neccessary means that they are clearly anti-American Al'Qaeda supporting puppet regimes of liberal-pinko-commie-faggots.

Grow the fuck up.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-03-11 05:27pm

Those nations believe a an invasion, there's already a war going on, is not in there national interests. Its quite simple.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-03-11 05:28pm

IG-88E wrote:IIRC, Germany is in shit right now because of a nasty economic recession, so I can see that they don't want to start spending sums of cash on a war in Iraq.

Germany forces would play no part in any invasion. It was stated half a year ago that German forces would play no part regardless of what passed in the UN. While Germanys stance has flipped around quite a bit, that fact has not.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-03-11 07:06pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:"Wipe them out... all of them."

*ahem*

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-03-11 07:12pm

France has a lot of money in Iraq and buys oil from them without using the food for oil program, I think Germany does too. Iraq owes Russia billions of dollars. Ofcourse if they think their gonna get that back they aren't fit to run a country.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-03-11 11:13pm

I know this was already translated, but I'll do it over as a human translator, rather than a machine. As much as I like machine translators, they still miss some of the nuances of language.

A Little History

This IQ test is composed of one multiple choice question. Try not to cheat!

Here's the list of countries that were bombed by the United States of America after the end of the Second World War:

ChinA 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Congo 1964
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Grenada 1983
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1980
Nicaragua 1980
Panama 1989
Iraq 1991-99
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999

QUESTION :
In how many of them after these bombardments did there emerge a democractic government, respectful of the Rights of Man?

Select a respone:
(a) 0
(b) zero
(c) none
(d) not a one
(e) a number between -1 and +1

Correct response? BRAVO!
Your IQ is more large than a particular President of the USA!!!
Unfortunately for you, you don't vote in American elections...

Sure...and their precious "Rights of Man" include the right of employment and the right to paid vacation. When the FUCK did those become basic human rights outside of socialist nations? Olrik, you oughta e-mail whoever sent that to you and ask if they mind the fact that booing the flag or national anthem in France is punishable by a 6000 pound fine and 6 months in jail, or if they just like to bitch about everybody else's human rights problems.