Damn..that was a terrible attack. Although it raises an interesting question: if Google is going to self-censor the Mohammed movie will they now censor Google Earth?Audacious Raid on NATO Base Shows Taliban’s Reach
By ALISSA J. RUBIN
Published: September 16, 2012 37 Comments
KABUL, Afghanistan — An audacious Taliban attack on a heavily fortified base in southern Afghanistan did far more damage than initially reported, destroying or severely damaging eight attack jets in the most destructive single strike on Western matériel in the 11-year war, military officials said Sunday.
While other attacks have caused greater loss of life, the assault late Friday at Camp Bastion in Helmand Province, one of the largest and best-defended posts in Afghanistan, was troubling to NATO because the attackers were able to penetrate the base, killing two Marines and causing more than $200 million in damage. “We’re saying it’s a very sophisticated attack,” said a military official here. “We’ve lost aircraft in battle, but nothing like this.”
The complex attack, which NATO officials said was conducted by three tightly choreographed teams of militants wearing American Army uniforms, was a reminder that the Taliban remain capable of serious assaults despite the “surge” offensive against them. Now the offensive is over, and nearly 10,000 American Marines have left Helmand Province, a critical stronghold for the Taliban, over the past several months.
Together with a rash of attacks by Afghan security forces against NATO troops — including two over the weekend that left at least six coalition service members dead — the Taliban have put new pressure on the American withdrawal plan, which calls for accelerated troop pullouts through 2014 while training Afghan forces to take over.
At the same time, tensions with the government flared Sunday as President Hamid Karzai condemned the deaths of Afghan women in airstrikes and criticized the continued American custody of hundreds of Afghan prisoners.
The military investigation into the attack at Bastion is now trying to uncover whether the insurgents had help from inside the camp and whether they were trained or aided by neighboring countries, such as Pakistan or Iran, which have allowed the Taliban to take refuge on their territory. But military officials and Afghan analysts said that the insurgents may well have prepared for their mission in significant measure by studying easily available satellite images on the Internet. “We don’t underestimate the enemy,” the military official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the continuing investigation. “We know the enemy has limited capability to do these, but they are not a whole bunch of yokels running around the country.”
The 15 insurgents conducting the attack lost no time from the moment they blew a hole in the perimeter at one of the closest points to the airfield, military officials said. They then raced toward their targets, shooting and setting fire to parked Navy AV-8B Harrier jets and destroying three refueling stations, even as a quick reaction force was mustering to fight them off, a military official said. “It was a running gun battle for a while, two and a half hours, nonetheless they were able to get to the aircraft before we could intercept them,” a military official said, noting that because it happened at night it was difficult until daylight to be sure that all the insurgents had been killed or captured. All but one was killed; the remaining insurgent is in custody, the military said.
Two American Marines were killed in the attack, and nine coalition personnel, including a civilian contractor, were wounded, the military said in a statement. Prince Harry, the third in line to the British throne, is doing a tour of duty as a helicopter pilot and was stationed at Camp Bastion at the time of the attack, but was not hurt. Camp Bastion is home mostly to British soldiers, while the neighboring camp, known as Leatherneck, has American Marines and other service members.
Six of the jets, which each cost between $23 million and $30 million when they were first acquired by the United States Navy, according to a General Accounting Office report, were completely destroyed and two more were so severely damaged it was unlikely they could be repaired. Also badly damaged were three refueling stations and three soft-skinned aircraft hangars, the military said in a news release.
Determining how it was possible for the insurgents to penetrate and severely damage such a well-defended base, particularly one with clear lines of sight across miles of mostly flat plain, will be important in determining whether this was a unique attack or one that could be replicated either in targeting Western bases or Afghan ones, military experts said.
“The Taliban retain the command and military planning infrastructure to put together complex and sophisticated attacks,” said Stephen Biddle, a professor at George Washington University with expertise in defense studies.
“If this is a clever surprise, it can’t work twice; it tells you the people are clever and can do elaborate planning, using subterfuge and possibly captured uniforms,” Mr. Biddle said. “It would be a different matter if they managed to blow a hole in a heavily defended perimeter — then the Afghan National Security Forces are looking at a big, big problem.”
Wahid Mujda, an Afghan analyst who tracks the Taliban, said that despite the Taliban’s statement that the attack was retaliation for an anti-Muslim video, the video almost certainly had nothing to do with it.
“I do not think that the Camp Bastion attack had anything to do with the anti-Prophet movie,” Mr. Mujda said. “Given the sophistication of the attack one can say with a lot of confidence that the Taliban had been training, rehearsing and preparing for weeks and even months. Everything was not planned and decided overnight.”
He predicted that the Afghan government and the international military forces here would see similar attacks in the future.
“They have experts, strategists, planners and designers, they have a great knowledge of the modern technology,” Mr. Mujda said.
“My sources in the Taliban tell me that every time they want to attack an important target they use Google Maps and other available means for studying and understanding their targets.”
This year’s toll from what are known as insider or green-on-blue attacks — green being American military parlance for indigenous forces, blue for its own — has become one of the most visible signs of the challenges faced by the NATO-led coalition as it nears the end of its role in Afghanistan’s war.
The second attack of the weekend, which was Sunday in Zabul Province, was the deadlier of the two latest incidents, with four coalition service members killed. The coalition said in a terse statement that the attack was “suspected to involve members of the Afghan police” and was under investigation.
Michael Cole, a coalition spokesman, said officials suspected the Afghan police in the attack because a police officer was killed in the firefight that ensued. But Mr. Cole said investigators were not yet certain whether the dead officer was one of the attackers or was caught in the cross-fire.
Afghan officials said they, too, were investigating.
The six deaths brought to 51 the number of coalition service members killed this year in insider attacks. The toll has already well exceeded last year’s total of 35 killed in such violence.
The increase in attacks has prompted coalition and Afghan officials to step up their vetting of Afghan recruits, and coalition officials say the attacks are mostly driven by personal animosity. Still, at least a quarter are believed to be the result of Taliban infiltration or influence over soldiers and the police.
Matthew Rosenberg and Habib Zahori contributed reporting from Kabul, and Taimoor Shah from Kandahar, Afghanistan.
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Re: Taliban Raid On NATO Base Inflicts Severe Damage
Terrible? I'd say any time an attack breaks into a base and NATO only looses two men killed, its a damn lucky day. Yeah sure, they blew up some Harriers but material can be replaced and we've suffered far worse material losses like this in past wars. You don't replace people. As mentioned at the end of this article, I'd be far more concerned about the rising string of Green on Blue attacks which show no signs of ending even now that most training operations with the Afghan police are suspended. This is a problem that cannot be solved by reshuffling guard posts.
As for censorship, they do and always have. Google Earth/Maps is full of censorship, pixelating many military bases in Europe and Asia and outright editing some things out of images. In Iraq and Afghanistan they have simply not updated the image database in years, Camp Bastion does not appear at all in Google Earth or on Google Maps. They were hiding several bases in the US for a while too in the mid 2000s, it turned out that was because the US government had various information on terrorist attacks being planned on those bases which eventually led to some arrests. Besides this Google has censored some things for purely political purposes, such as editing the massive mansion complex of the head of Gazprom in Russia completely out of imagery. Also Us federal law bans the sale or display of high resolution satellite images of Israel, but nowhere else on earth so all of Israel is effectively censored by this law. Resolution limit is 1.5m I think. Somewhere around that.
Some of the censorship is downright comically retarded too, such as in Taiwan depending on the date of the image you can plainly see certain SAM sites, while in newer images they actually edited them to make it look like the sites are just empty forest. Good job too considering the sites have existed for 20 years and the Communist Chinese known the locations to the inch anyway from you know, owing satellites themselves.
Even if no image or up to date image of a target appears though, you can still use a program like Google earth to plan approach routes and estimate ranges. But in this case the attack was certainly based on detailed hands on reconnaissance of the perimeter, compounded by the generally weak standards of perimeter defense prevalent in Afghanistan. Lots of barriers exist, but no fence and wire barrier system has ever been effective against a determined sapper attack for more then a matter of seconds, nor are automated warning systems like radar ever effective over such large areas (manned radar kind of works). The only thing that will work is lots of determined infantry on the ground, not a few guys in high guard towers. The US learned this over and over and over again in Vietnam, but the Taliban are generally dumb and never present a large scale conventional threat to large NATO bases, so nobody wants to assign really large amounts of guards to the perimeter full time. Something like this was bound to happen some day.
As for censorship, they do and always have. Google Earth/Maps is full of censorship, pixelating many military bases in Europe and Asia and outright editing some things out of images. In Iraq and Afghanistan they have simply not updated the image database in years, Camp Bastion does not appear at all in Google Earth or on Google Maps. They were hiding several bases in the US for a while too in the mid 2000s, it turned out that was because the US government had various information on terrorist attacks being planned on those bases which eventually led to some arrests. Besides this Google has censored some things for purely political purposes, such as editing the massive mansion complex of the head of Gazprom in Russia completely out of imagery. Also Us federal law bans the sale or display of high resolution satellite images of Israel, but nowhere else on earth so all of Israel is effectively censored by this law. Resolution limit is 1.5m I think. Somewhere around that.
Some of the censorship is downright comically retarded too, such as in Taiwan depending on the date of the image you can plainly see certain SAM sites, while in newer images they actually edited them to make it look like the sites are just empty forest. Good job too considering the sites have existed for 20 years and the Communist Chinese known the locations to the inch anyway from you know, owing satellites themselves.
Even if no image or up to date image of a target appears though, you can still use a program like Google earth to plan approach routes and estimate ranges. But in this case the attack was certainly based on detailed hands on reconnaissance of the perimeter, compounded by the generally weak standards of perimeter defense prevalent in Afghanistan. Lots of barriers exist, but no fence and wire barrier system has ever been effective against a determined sapper attack for more then a matter of seconds, nor are automated warning systems like radar ever effective over such large areas (manned radar kind of works). The only thing that will work is lots of determined infantry on the ground, not a few guys in high guard towers. The US learned this over and over and over again in Vietnam, but the Taliban are generally dumb and never present a large scale conventional threat to large NATO bases, so nobody wants to assign really large amounts of guards to the perimeter full time. Something like this was bound to happen some day.
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