amigocabal reposts stupid crap from conservative blog

[amigocabal]

College Allows Transgender Man to Expose Himself to Young Girls

College Allows Transgender Man to Expose Himself to Young Girls

Nov 1, 2012

By Todd Starnes

A Washington college said their non-discrimination policy prevents them from stopping a transgender man from exposing himself to young girls inside a women’s locker room, according to a group of concerned parents.

“Little girls should not be exposed to naked men, period,” said David Hacker, senior legal counsel with the Alliance Defending Freedom. A group of concerned parents contacted the legal firm for help.

Hacker said a 45-year-old male student, who dresses as a woman and goes by the name Colleen Francis, undressed and exposed his genitals on several occasions inside the woman’s locker room at Evergreen State College.

Students from nearby Olympia High School as well as children at a local swimming club share locker rooms with the college.

According to a police report, the mother of a 17-year-old girl complained after her daughter saw the transgender individual walking naked in the locker room. A female swim coach confronted the man sprawled out in a sauna exposing himself. She ordered him to leave and called police.

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Here is what I do not get.

According to a police report, the mother of a 17-year-old girl complained after her daughter saw the transgender individual walking naked in the locker room. A female swim coach confronted the man sprawled out in a sauna exposing himself. She ordered him to leave and called police.

The coach later apologized when she discovered the man was transgendered but explained there were girls using the facility as young as six years old who weren’t used to seeing male genitals.

So is she implying that she should have looked the other way, like Mike McQueary did in Penn State?

[Dalton]

Here's what I don't get: You posting an "article" from a far-right blog like it's news with a headline like that. This is a disgustingly transphobic piece of hateful tripe. Nobody is allowing anyone to expose themselves, and the fact that you're even suggesting that this person is at all even comparable in the slightest to Jerry Sandusky is, to say the least, fucking idiotic.

[amigocabal]

Here's what I don't get: You posting an "article" from a far-right blog like it's news with a headline like that. This is a disgustingly transphobic piece of hateful tripe. Nobody is allowing anyone to expose themselves, and the fact that you're even suggesting that this person is at all even comparable in the slightest to Jerry Sandusky is, to say the least, fucking idiotic.

If you want a more neutral source, here it is.

I suspect that the girls who were actually in the locker room with this person would find the comparison with Jerry Sandusky quite apt.

[Stark]

In this context does 'transgendered' indicate 'has a dick' or 'does not have a dick'? Are these guys upset because their kids are looking at cocks, or because someone evil like a transgender person is near their kids?

[Grandmaster Jogurt]

I suspect the parents have a much bigger issue with it than the girls do, and I also suspect those parents who have an issue with it are bigoted assholes.

[Dalton]

I suspect that the girls who were actually in the locker room with this person would find the comparison with Jerry Sandusky quite apt.

Really? Is the transgendered person routinely sodomizing them? Apt or not, you're the shitbag that made this idiotic comparison.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Here's what I don't get: You posting an "article" from a far-right blog like it's news with a headline like that. This is a disgustingly transphobic piece of hateful tripe. Nobody is allowing anyone to expose themselves, and the fact that you're even suggesting that this person is at all even comparable in the slightest to Jerry Sandusky is, to say the least, fucking idiotic.

If you want a more neutral source, here it is.

I suspect that the girls who were actually in the locker room with this person would find the comparison with Jerry Sandusky quite apt.

So tell me:

What locker room are trans people supposed to use? What saunas? What bathrooms? Had this transwomen gone into a men's locker room they would have had similar problems.

Go sodomize yourself with a cactus.

[Surlethe]

Why is there a problem with them seeing her penis? Ooohh, they saw a little dangly thing on her! They're traumatized for life!

[Stark]

I think replies like that just muddy the issue. It should be about the rights of individuals, and not whether or not little girls see cocks. Indeed, that angle is exactly what the right wing source is trying to do, so you're just helping them transform 'should transgendered individuals have rights and in what way can they best be protected' to 'OMG THINK OF THE CHILDREN'.

I mean, if you actually want to positively affect culture.

[Flagg]

Comparing this to Jerry Sandusky is so fucking outrageous and stupid there's no word to describe it. At the same time, assuming this person does possess a penis it's probably courteous not to wave it around. Though considering the source of the article I sincerely doubt it ever happened.

[Dark Hellion]

And Amigo displays his inability to think of any... well anything beyond the most superficial level possible yet again. Color me surprised (I think surprise is periwinkle).

Now the transgendered individual in question should perhaps been a bit more conscious of the fact that their anatomical differences could cause problems and exercise a bit more discretion but there is nothing at all perverse about this. The fact that Amigo thinks a 17 year old girl seeing a cock (hint, this is probably one of their primary goals at the moment) is an issue just shows the general sexual discomfort he/she and the parents have and not the actual problems present.

[amigocabal]

And Amigo displays his inability to think of any... well anything beyond the most superficial level possible yet again. Color me surprised (I think surprise is periwinkle).

How about some common sense?

What proportion of fathers in America would be just fine with Colleen Francis (the person in question) walking around naked in a locker room their teenage daughter(s) are using.

Feel free to round to the nearest percentage point.

[Grandmaster Jogurt]

Saying that she should've been more careful/discrete/etc. seems an awful lot like victim-blaming to me. The law in that area requires that she be treated just like any other woman (and that's the right thing to do anyway) and putting the burden on her to not offend anyone just for how her body looks is kind of terrible.

[Flagg]

And Amigo displays his inability to think of any... well anything beyond the most superficial level possible yet again. Color me surprised (I think surprise is periwinkle).

How about some common sense?

What proportion of fathers in America would be just fine with Colleen Francis (the person in question) walking around naked in a locker room their teenage daughter(s) are using.

Feel free to round to the nearest percentage point.

Why the fuck should the bigots get to decide what's acceptable?

[Flagg]

Saying that she should've been more careful/discrete/etc. seems an awful lot like victim-blaming to me. The law in that area requires that she be treated just like any other woman (and that's the right thing to do anyway) and putting the burden on her to not offend anyone just for how her body looks is kind of terrible.

Oh I'm not blaming the victim at all. I'm just saying that in the real world as it now exists it's probably to her benefit not to be blatant, not that I even believe she was being blatant.

[Alyrium Denryle]

And Amigo displays his inability to think of any... well anything beyond the most superficial level possible yet again. Color me surprised (I think surprise is periwinkle).

How about some common sense?

What proportion of fathers in America would be just fine with Colleen Francis (the person in question) walking around naked in a locker room their teenage daughter(s) are using.

Feel free to round to the nearest percentage point.

Is Colleen Francis a woman for all intents and purposes? Yes. Is she attempting sexual liaison with these teenage girls? No. Is she using the facilities for their intended purpose (getting dressed after a a swim, etc)? Yes.

You did not answer my question. What is the alternative? Is she to use the men's locker room and risk being physically assaulted, raped, or even the same thing that happened here--having the police called on her? Is she to be barred from using public facilities because someone needs to think of the children?

[Simon_Jester]

How about some common sense?

What proportion of fathers in America would be just fine with Colleen Francis (the person in question) walking around naked in a locker room their teenage daughter(s) are using.

Feel free to round to the nearest percentage point.

1) Why is it their call? (No, seriously, if you have an answer go ahead)
2) Why am I having flashbacks to "but would you want your daughter to marry one?"

[Dalton]

Changed the title.

[Dark Hellion]

And Amigo displays his inability to think of any... well anything beyond the most superficial level possible yet again. Color me surprised (I think surprise is periwinkle).

How about some common sense?

What proportion of fathers in America would be just fine with Colleen Francis (the person in question) walking around naked in a locker room their teenage daughter(s) are using.

Feel free to round to the nearest percentage point.

This is the second time you have resorted to "common sense" as an excuse to get out of actually answering a question with a thought out answer. You know what, fuck you... all you do is bait with stupid attempts at traps culled from right-wing sources and then you run like the little fucking coward you are when we don't fall for it like the liberal caricatures that you think we are. Honestly, you are such a superficial and shallow little shit and if you spent at least 5 minutes to actually think about any of the stupid bullshit you posted you would see this, but you can't because that would reveal how utterly vapid all the gotcha attempts you try to make are and you would be forced to confront how worthless your thoughts actually are.

[Sidewinder]

I think we need more details before we judge the person named in the article. Did this transgendered person undergo a female-to-male change, meaning "he" is legally a man, but fears being raped if "he" uses the men's changing room? Did this person undergo a male-to-female change, meaning "she" is legally a woman, and the girls' parents are being bigoted alarmists? Has this person NOT YET undergone a male-to-female change, meaning "he" is still legally a man, therefore the girls' parents have legitimate concerns?

[Grandmaster Jogurt]

None of that shit matters legally or ethically. She identifies as a woman, therefore she has all the legal rights of any other woman, and that's how it should be.

[Simon_Jester]

If it's the same person I think they're talking about, Colleen Francis is male-to-female, has presumably not undergone any major surgery, but is living as a woman (hence the name "Colleen").

Whether this means the parents have a legitimate concern or are being bigoted depends really heavily on your overall position on transgender issues. Since "men pretending to be women to get access to girls for pedo purposes" is basically the least accurate possible picture of transgender issues... yeah.


If this is a major issue for a society, maybe the question people should ask is "are we comfortable with adults of the same sex being nude around children?" Apparently not; I get the feeling the parent reaction would not be favorable to having a transsexual using the men's locker room either.

Maybe they should be moving to ban public locker rooms, since nudity in such places is almost bound to make them uncomfortable.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

I oppose allowing pre-operative transwomen to expose themselves in public places like lockers and seriously question the mental stability of the individual involved, because why would you want to subject yourself to MASSIVE humiliation just to use the lock room instead of driving home to shower? I believe that being a pre-operative transsexual is a disability sufficiently grave that it prevents you from engaging in sport or employment which requires access to a locker room legitimately, in the same way that we don't let quadriplegics become firefighters. There is a major difference between a women's bathroom, with stalls on the doors (or else locks), which is an unavoidable need, and the highly avoidable recreational and employment opportunities which require locker room use. I would draw the line at "emergency versus voluntary", i.e., it would be unlawful to deny a transwoman employment at a chemical factory because of the need to disrobe to use decontamination showers, because in that emergency situation women would be disrobing around men as a matter of course, but in non-emergency situations the standard should be higher. Therefore I strongly oppose this behaviour and thing the individual in question urgently needs mental intervention.

However, there is a cure to this condition (which further motivates one to regard participation in sport and jobs requiring disrobing around other women to be highly voluntary) -- GRS, or genital reconstructive surgery, to make your genitalia completely normative for a female. If you don't want it, that is a voluntary choice, too, with consequences expected. In legal terms I don't think this should be allowed at all -- preoperative transwomen should be limited to access to female facilities where there is a "reasonable expectation" of privacy, to use the legal term -- i.e., bathrooms, women's resource centres, etc. Never changing and showering facilities, ever.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

None of that shit matters legally or ethically. She identifies as a woman, therefore she has all the legal rights of any other woman, and that's how it should be.

Do we allow people in wheelchairs to become paratroopers?

[Terralthra]

The false analogy between "a woman, with access to woman-only spaces" and "a paratrooper" is pretty fucking obvious, Duchess.