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"Grim day" for Church of England - Woman Bishops rejected.

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From the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20421576
Women bishops vote a 'grim day', says Justin Welby
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The Bishop of Durham, Justin Welby, urged a 'yes' vote at the general synod
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The next Archbishop of Canterbury has called the rejection of women bishops a "very grim day", as bishops prepare for an emergency meeting on the issue.

The ordination of women bishops in the Church of England was narrowly rejected by its ruling general synod on Tuesday.

The Rt Rev Justin Welby, who takes over the Church's top role next year, said the lost vote was hard "most of all for women priests and supporters".

Critics had said the change would not bring unity to the Church.

The proposed legislation paving the way for women bishops needed to gain two-thirds majority support in each of the synod's three houses - bishops, clergy and laity - but fell short by six votes in the House of Laity.

The result was greeted with emotion, with some supporters seen crying.

Bishop Welby, the current Bishop of Durham and a supporter of women bishops, tweeted overnight: "Very grim day, most of all for women priests and supporters, need to surround all with prayer & love and co-operate with our healing God."


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The outgoing Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Reverend Rowan Williams, who will give his farewell address later, spoke of his "deep personal sadness" after the vote.

He said: "Of course I hoped and prayed that this particular business would be at another stage before I left, and... it is a personal sadness, a deep personal sadness that that is not the case."

The House of Bishops will meet from 08:30 GMT to "consider the consequences of the vote", the Church's media office said.

The general synod's voting requirements meant that although 324 members voted to approve the proposed legislation and 122 voted to reject it, it was not passed.

The House of Laity is the largest element of the general synod and is made up of lay members of the Church elected by its 44 dioceses.

The votes were 44 for and three against with two abstentions in the House of Bishops, 148 for and 45 against in the House of Clergy, and 132 for and 74 against in the House of Laity.

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The first challenge for Church leaders will be how to deal with the fall-out from this vote. Already some in the parishes are describing this as one of the Church's blackest days.

The damage will include a hammering in the media. The outside world will find the Church's continued inability to push this issue forward mystifying - especially as in so many other countries in the Anglican communion there are already many women bishops.

There will be many questions too about the Church's system of democracy where major change has to be agreed by two-thirds majorities amongst bishops, clergy and the laity.

The vote was only lost by a handful of votes amongst lay members, which means the vast majority of Anglicans are in favour and will feel deeply disappointed.

The next Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, will need all his legendary mediation skills to navigate a way forward and to find new legislation which accommodates more traditionalists without then alienating the liberal wing of the Church.

Controversy had centred on the provisions for parishes opposed to women bishops to request supervision by a stand-in male bishop.

Christina Rees, a synod member who has spent 20 years campaigning for women bishops, said: "It feels as if the House of Laity betrayed the entire Church of England last night.

"And I think basically that the people, the sort of extremes in our Church - the very conservative evangelicals and very traditionalist Anglo-Catholics - have no idea how this will be read by most people."

She said she thought that, to most people, "this just looks like blatant discrimination".

Equalities minister Maria Miller said the vote outcome was "very disappointing", and showed that the Church was "behind the times", sources said.

The Bishop of Norwich, the Right Reverend Graham Jones, said those Church members who were in favour of women bishops, but who had voted against the move because of concerns over the provisions for traditionalist parishes, were central to finding a solution.

"There's a very big challenge, I think, to those who voted against but actually pledged themselves to see in what way they could move forward so that women can be bishops in the Church of England," he said.

"There's a very big responsibility on them and upon the bishops in their leadership to bring this into effect as soon as possible."

The Catholic Group on the General Synod, which backed a "no" vote, said in a statement: "We regret the synod was put in the position whereby draft legislation failed at final approval because it was unclear and unfair in its provision for those who, in conscience, are unable to accept the ministry of women as bishops or priests."

It called on the House of Bishops to reconvene the talks started in the summer between representatives of different groups, chaired by Bishop Welby.


Zoe Ham, Church Society: "I am happy that the legislation in its form today has been rejected"
The Rev Prebendary Rod Thomas, chairman of the conservative evangelical grouping Reform, which also recommended a "no" vote, said: "My overall conclusion is that it is very good news for the Church of England.

"We have avoided what could have been a disastrous mistake for our unity and witness."

In New Zealand, where women have been ordained as bishops for decades, the Bishop of Christchurch, the Rt Rev Victoria Matthews, described the decision as a "product of fear".

"I have to admit I was gutted by the announcement. I would describe it as more than disappointing. As someone who is a woman in leadership and someone who dearly loves the Anglican communion, it was quite depressing."
Those Evangelicals had really lost touch with the modern world now, have they?

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SpaceMarine93 wrote:Those Evangelicals had really lost touch with the modern world now, have they?
The word you are looking for is Anglicans.
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And the Supreme Governor of the Anglican Church is, in fact, a woman. Mind blown yet? :wink:

Anyway, here's hoping the disappointed equality supporters will go read Dawkins books and re-evaluate their stance on religion a tiny bit.
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TimothyC wrote:
SpaceMarine93 wrote:Those Evangelicals had really lost touch with the modern world now, have they?
The word you are looking for is Anglicans.
I assumed that SpaceMarine93 was referring to this:
The Rev Prebendary Rod Thomas, chairman of the conservative evangelical grouping Reform, which also recommended a "no" vote, said: "My overall conclusion is that it is very good news for the Church of England.

"We have avoided what could have been a disastrous mistake for our unity and witness."
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Yeah, in America, "evangelical" refers to their psychopathic Southern ultra-conservative far-right coalition of creationists, homophobes, anti-abortion crusaders, and laissez-faire capitalists. But in the rest of the world, it just refers to Christians who put particular emphasis on gaining new converts.
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Which, come to think of it, the Anglicans aren't.
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Irbis wrote:And the Supreme Governor of the Anglican Church is, in fact, a woman. Mind blown yet? :wink:
A woman whose held the post for 60 years and done so very successfully. Where is that Picard facepalm picture? I feel it is appropriate here.
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I would be interested to see if the Tories are actually willing to talk about removing their Equalities get-out clauses. I even read something some MP's muttering 'Disestablishmentarianism' earlier, which apart from winning a gold star in a spelling contest with, I can't recall hearing about in an exceedingly long time.


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What I find the most fascinating is that the houses of the Synod which represented Bishops and Priests both voted in favor, while the house that didn't sustain the 2/3rds majority was the house of Laity - ordinary churchgoers, in other words.
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Terralthra wrote:What I find the most fascinating is that the houses of the Synod which represented Bishops and Priests both voted in favor, while the house that didn't sustain the 2/3rds majority was the house of Laity - ordinary churchgoers, in other words.
If it's anything like a political party they'll be the activist and much more extreme than the ordinary churchgoers though. The ordinary ones wouldn't be interested in getting onto the Synod's laity committee/body.
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