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Hint its not China
Germany displaces China as US Treasury's currency villain
The US Treasury has issued a damning criticism of Germany’s chronic trade surplus in its annual report on worldwide exchange rate abuse, although it stopped short of labelling the country a currency manipulator.

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard6:53PM GMT 28 Nov 2012730 Comments
Treasury officials told Congress that internal balances within the eurozone are disrupting the global trade structure, with almost nothing being done by north Europeans states to curb their huge surpluses.
The report said Germany’s current account surplus is running at 6.3pc of GDP, and Holland is even worse at 9.5pc. Yet the countries still cleave to fiscal austerity policies that constrict internal demand.
The EU’s new tool for cracking down on intra-EMU imbalances is "asymmetric" and does not give "sufficient attention to countries with large and sustained external surpluses like Germany".
While the eurozone as a whole is roughly in trade balance, the EMU regime of austerity in the South without offsetting stimulus in the North is creating a contractinary bias, holding back global recovery.
The US Treasury said eurozone surplus states have "available room" for fiscal stimulus but refuse to act, despite repeated pledges by EU leaders that more must be done to foster growth. "They have not yet made any concrete proposals capable of yielding meaningful near-term results."

Germany's permanent surplus is in stark contrast to the shift under way in Asia. China has "partially succeeded in shifting away from a reliance on exports for growth", and has slashed its surplus to 2.6pc from 10.1pc in 2007.
While the yuan remains "significantly overvalued", China’s has stopped building reserves to hold down its currency and has seen a 40pc appreciation against the dollar since 2005 in real terms. Double-digit wage growth is closing thecurrency gap by oither means.
A chart published in the report shows that Germany has overtaken China to become the biggest single source of global trade imbalance, alone accounting for a large chunk of the US deficit.
Switzerland is top sinner with a surplus of 13pc GDP, though the report says the country faces unique circumstances as a safe-haven battling deflation.
The Swiss National Bank has bought $230bn in foreign bonds since mid 2011 to hold the franc, more than China, Russia, Saudia Arabia, Brazil and India combined.
The US Treasury’s shift in focus away from China - and towards Germany’s disguised mercantilism - reflects mounting irritation in Washington over North Europe’s "free-rider" strategy, which relies on exploiting global demand rather than generating it at home.
The US Treasury said China still needs to do more to wean itself off investment - almost 50pc of GDP - and boost consumption instead. It called for a change in the tax structure, reform of the big state enterprises, and an end to financial controls that force up the savings rate. There is concern that China’s surplus will rise again over coming years unless Beijing pushes through radical reforms.
The tone of the report is conciliatory, a far cry from the hot rhetoric of the US election campaign. Republican candidate Mitt Romney had vowed to label China a currency manipulator from "day one", a move that would have entailed trade sanctions and an ugly turn in superpower relations.
A separate report from the International Monetary Fund said China’s excess credit growth and investment have moved into "dangerous territory" and has begun to impose major costs on China itself.
The country spending 10pc of GDP more on investment than the Asian tigers at the peak of the investment bubble before onset of the East Asian meltdown in the late 1990s.
The Fund said the excesses are unlikely to lead to the sort of sudden-stop crisis seen in Thailand, Indonesia and Korea during that episode, since those countries relied on dollar funding whereas China’s credit comes from internal savings, but there is disguised damage nevertheless. Rampant over-investment acts through complex channels as a transfer of income from families and small businesses to big state firms, distorting the whole economic system over time.
The IMF said there is little doubt that investment in plant and infrastructure has driven China’s great boom over the last thirty years but the law of diminishing returns is setting in.
"The marginal contribution of an extra unit of investment to growth has been falling, necessitating ever larger increases to generate an equal amount of growth. Now with investment to GDP already close to 50 percent, the current growth model may have run its course," it said.
Surprised no one has put this up yet.

I find it interesting China's currency is still considered significantly overvalued. When they relaxed their pegging to the USD in 2005 1 RMB = 0.120822 USD. According to the average on november 2012, 1 rmb = 0.160274 USD. Thats around 32.66% rise at an average of 4.66% a year. How much more should it go up by?
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What type of strange retorics is this?
disrupting
cracking down
alone accounting for a large chunk of the US deficit
top sinner
disguised mercantilism
"free-rider" strategy
exploiting global demand rather than generating it at home
disguised damage
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So northern european countries are running at a trade surplus. And that makes them villains how? Isn't that the objective of the trade game?
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Well you see, China has been running on a surplus for some time now and as a result, has been the "villain" in US political rhetoric for some time. According to some economists they need to "rebalance" and decrease the trade surplus which is beneficial because.... because. Yeah ok, my understanding is most probably suspect, but I think its not so much the reduce trade surplus that supposed to benefit the country which has one, its because in doing so they can import more. Which of course begs the question, what does the country with the trade deficit have that the country with the trade surplus wants, and are they willing to sell it.
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Spoonist wrote:What type of strange retorics is this?
I know, it sounds like something out of The Midas Plague.
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Spoonist wrote:What type of strange retorics is this?
I know, it sounds like something out of The Midas Plague.
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The point is not that there's a trade surplus. As understand the article, the point being made is that there's a trade surplus being artificially created by internal austerity measures in an otherwise-healthy economy, just maintaining a trade surplus at the expense of other nations' potential trade surpluses. Trade surpluses are not bad, predatory financial practices are. At this point, I expect a lot of regulatory bodies to be noticeably gun-shy about anything that even vaguely smells like predatory finance, given the events of the past few years.
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White Haven wrote:The point is not that there's a trade surplus. As understand the article, the point being made is that there's a trade surplus being artificially created by internal austerity measures in an otherwise-healthy economy, just maintaining a trade surplus at the expense of other nations' potential trade surpluses. Trade surpluses are not bad, predatory financial practices are. At this point, I expect a lot of regulatory bodies to be noticeably gun-shy about anything that even vaguely smells like predatory finance, given the events of the past few years.
If so the article does a very crappy job at showing or even talking about such financial practices. And the Swiss should definately be in the group.

I mean is really Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden and Denmark all to be considered villains because they have a trade surplus and low interest rates? Maybe, just maybe those low interest rates is affected by the credit rating those countries have, which could in turn be related to those countries making a profit, through something called trade?
Or are we to assume that balanced governement budgets, low administration costs and effecient state bueraucracy is evil nowadays?

I bet its all a euro-communist ploy together with China to take over the worl by producing stuff other countries want to buy. And look Russia and the Middle East is in on it too.


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Really? Because I thought that
The report said Germany’s current account surplus is running at 6.3pc of GDP, and Holland is even worse at 9.5pc. Yet the countries still cleave to fiscal austerity policies that constrict internal demand.
was quite clear. Running a surplus because of artificially-constricted internal demand. Now, I'm not an economist, so I'm not making any value judgments on this, but to pretend not to understand what the article is saying so you can freely strawman it is dishonest at best.
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Yes, that specific scentence was almost clear but totally unsubstantiated by the rest of the text.

And it says northern europe, so it shouldn't only be Germany but instead all of the countries above. Looking at those countries budgets its not austerity policies at all, its just balanced budgets, ie, they are not spending more than they take in.
That is the sum of the complaint.

I think I've found the original report so I'll give you details soon.
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So this should be the report.
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center ... 202012.pdf

Report to Congress on International Economic and Exchange Rate Policies
Not a non-existing "annual report on worldwide exchange rate abuse".

What it says is this:
Global rebalancing is an important component of strengthening global demand. At the Pittsburgh Summit in September 2009, Leaders of the G-20 launched a Framework for Strong, Sustainable, and Balanced Growth. The goal of the Framework was to help ensure a more balanced global economy that was less prone to crisis.
The euro area’s current account has been close to balance since early 2009. In 2011 the euro area had a current account deficit averaging 0.3 percent of GDP. In the first half of 2012, the current account moved into a surplus of 1 percent of GDP. The euro area current account, however, masks substantial imbalances among euro area countries. The Netherlands and Germany continued to run substantial current account surpluses through mid-2012, averaging 9.5 and 6.3 percent of GDP, respectively. The current accounts of the other major euro area economies (France, Italy, and Spain) remained in deficit.
The Macroeconomic Imbalances Procedure, developed as part of the EU’s increased focus on surveillance, should help increase the amount of attention paid to building external and internal imbalances; however, the procedure is somewhat asymmetric and does not appear to give sufficient attention to countries with large and sustained external surpluses like Germany.
In 2012, the euro area, in aggregate, is undertaking the most aggressive fiscal consolidation of the advanced economies despite having the smallest cyclically-adjusted fiscal deficit and the lowest growth prospects. Most of the major euro area economies have committed to reducing their general government budget deficits to less than 3.0 percent of GDP by 2013; Germany achieved this target in 2011. However, concerns are mounting about the aggregate pace of consolidation in the euro area amid signs that the euro area remains in recession. Several euro area countries have the capacity to take advantage of available room for countercyclical policy responses while still ensuring credible paths to fiscal consolidation.
These actions are in addition to prior measures undertaken by European leaders, including stronger economic governance, increased economic surveillance, and a temporary increase in the size of the euro area crisis response firewall to provide a more effective backstop for large, vulnerable countries and the financial sector. In recent months, European leaders and the ECB have taken important steps forward that have helped reduce financial stress and lay the foundations for greater stability. The ECB’s proposal to undertake Outright Monetary Transactions in certain circumstances, the launch of the ESM, country-level reforms, and the broader commitment by European leaders to banking union were very significant steps. The success of the next phase of the crisis response will hinge on rapid implementation of institutions that strengthen the euro and continued progress on economic reforms that support growth.
That is the extent of the criticism, scalding isn't it?
It specifically points out Germany and northern europe as irresponsible villains with grave austerity measures limiting their potential markets so that their poor countries have to export their surplus to a world tricked into consumerism, doesn't it?
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Artificially constricted demand?

Are they serious? After 20 years of artificially propped-up demand for housing which was way beyond productive capacity (yes, the workers en masse could not have paid for these houses upfront without taking a credit so massive that it would last until the end of their lives) which has finally collapsed on itself like a fucking cardhouse... Possibly the most massive, the widest-reaching and the most international credit-fed bubble in history.

But they say "Spend more! Live in credit!" - and by that consumer credit is meant of course.

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The US treasury has proven itself to be more then incompetent now. They condemn a nation with a budget surplus. Furthermore, a government doesn't make up an entire economy's output or demand. Have they ignored the entirety of supply-side economics?

On another note, I say let China manipulate their currency. They can only devalue it by printing money, which will only generate inflation, and thus unrest. The savings rate in China is around 38% (ten times higher then their American counterparts).
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So I'm not saying the entire article is a pack of lies about the Treasury's actual report, but...

No one beside the Telegraph is reporting on this at all. Literally when you google one of the quotes in the article "They have not yet made any concrete proposals capable of yielding meaningful" the first 3 results are the Telegraph, Free Republic quoting this article, and this very thread!

As Spoonist pointed out, the harshest thing the actual report said about Germany was
The euro area’s current account has been close to balance since early 2009. In 2011 the euro area had a current account deficit averaging 0.3 percent of GDP. In the first half of 2012, the current account moved into a surplus of 1 percent of GDP. The euro area current account, however, masks substantial imbalances among euro area countries. The Netherlands and Germany continued to run substantial current account surpluses through mid-2012, averaging 9.5 and 6.3 percent of GDP, respectively. The current accounts of the other major euro area economies (France, Italy, and Spain) remained in deficit. Stronger domestic demand growth in European economies with current account surpluses would help to reduce imbalances in the euro area. The Macroeconomic Imbalances Procedure, developed as part of the EU’s increased focus on surveillance, should help increase the amount of attention paid to building external and internal imbalances; however, the procedure is somewhat asymmetric and does not appear to give sufficient attention to countries with large and sustained external surpluses like Germany.

In 2012, the euro area, in aggregate, is undertaking the most aggressive fiscal consolidation of the advanced economies despite having the smallest cyclically-adjusted fiscal deficit and the lowest growth prospects. Most of the major euro area economies have committed to reducing their general government budget deficits to less than 3.0 percent of GDP by 2013; Germany achieved this target in 2011. However, concerns are mounting about the aggregate pace of consolidation in the euro area amid signs that the euro area remains in recession. Several euro area countries have the capacity to take advantage of available room for countercyclical policy responses while still ensuring credible paths to fiscal consolidation. Euro area leaders have noted they must develop proposals to balance austerity with growth; however, they have not yet made any concrete proposals capable of yielding meaningful near term results. In its October 2012 World Economic Outlook, the IMF presented analysis that suggests that the impact of large-scale fiscal adjustment may have a larger detrimental impact on growth than previously thought.

So wait, never mind; I guess I am saying the Telegraph article in the OP is a huge pack of lies.
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Take ANYTHING by the Telegraph - especially on economics - with a bucket of salt; often they are high on rhetoric and low on factual content, sometimes having cherry-picked data to get to conclusions. That said, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard is not as right-wing as the rest of the paper...
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ryacko wrote:... ... ...
The US treasury has proven itself to be more then incompetent now. They condemn a nation with a budget surplus. Furthermore, a government doesn't make up an entire economy's output or demand. Have they ignored the entirety of supply-side economics?

On another note, I say let China manipulate their currency. They can only devalue it by printing money, which will only generate inflation, and thus unrest. The savings rate in China is around 38% (ten times higher then their American counterparts).
You have no idea how China keeps its currency low relative to the USD do you? Hint - its not so much they print money, its they buy US treasuries. This causes an increase in demand for US money (hence the USD rises, and by default the Chinese RMB falls). If the Chinese cashed out all their holdings and brought all the money back to China (as opposed to using it to buy goods elsewhere), then the country would experience really high inflation.
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UnderAGreySky wrote:Take ANYTHING by the Telegraph - especially on economics - with a bucket of salt; often they are high on rhetoric and low on factual content, sometimes having cherry-picked data to get to conclusions. That said, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard is not as right-wing as the rest of the paper...
I didn't see his name when someone first pointed out the article to me. My bad. IIRC this guy has been spinning the sky is falling type rhetoric about China's economy for some time, even as it experienced its greatest growth.
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This is report by Telegraph, UK newspaper. Look at the Leveson thread on my opinion on the British "quality" standards when it comes to EU economic reporting - this is just yet another case of it, QED :roll:
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ryacko wrote:... ... ...
The US treasury has proven itself to be more then incompetent now. They condemn a nation with a budget surplus. Furthermore, a government doesn't make up an entire economy's output or demand. Have they ignored the entirety of supply-side economics?
The US treasury didn't. As I pointed out in my post above.
It was a complete fabrication from the article.
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A great help to Germany's trade balance is the fact that Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc are dragging the Euro down which in turn is stimulating German exports. If Germany were still on the Deutsche Mark, its inflation and interest rates would be higher along with its currency which would make its exports less competitive.

Further austerity imposed on these countries is only going to further weaken the Euro and provide a greater competitive edge for German industry against American exporters. I can see why American industry and government is annoyed. Euro-wide austerity in countries like Germany (and imposed on countries like Greece) reduces their potential markets while artificially boosting German exporters. However, if I were the Americans I wouldn't complain about Germany and the other northern Euro nations too much. Their drive for austerity in a deep Euro-wide recession is self-defeating in the medium to long term.
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ryacko wrote:... ... ...
The US treasury has proven itself to be more then incompetent now. They condemn a nation with a budget surplus. Furthermore, a government doesn't make up an entire economy's output or demand. Have they ignored the entirety of supply-side economics?

On another note, I say let China manipulate their currency. They can only devalue it by printing money, which will only generate inflation, and thus unrest. The savings rate in China is around 38% (ten times higher then their American counterparts).
You have no idea how China keeps its currency low relative to the USD do you? Hint - its not so much they print money, its they buy US treasuries. This causes an increase in demand for US money (hence the USD rises, and by default the Chinese RMB falls). If the Chinese cashed out all their holdings and brought all the money back to China (as opposed to using it to buy goods elsewhere), then the country would experience really high inflation.
If this increases a demand for US money, why does the purchase of US treasuries by the Federal Reserve cause interest rates to fall (interest rates = price of renting money), and the US dollar to depreciate?
Why was the purchase of US treasuries by the Chinese blamed by some economists as causing the US housing bubble by lowering US interest rates?

Can you answer these questions without contradicting yourself?

The Chinese cannot cash out their holdings to my knowledge, rather they can resell them for cents on the dollar.
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bobalot wrote:A great help to Germany's trade balance is the fact that Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc are dragging the Euro down which in turn is stimulating German exports. If Germany were still on the Deutsche Mark, its inflation and interest rates would be higher along with its currency which would make its exports less competitive.
In this hypothetical world where Germany stays with the DM, its currency would most definitely be higher but inflation & interest rates would depend on its political & economic policies. I think inflation would be slightly higher but interest rates would actually be the same or lower since German bunds would be seen as a safe & secure place to park one's money much like US T-bills.
Further austerity imposed on these countries is only going to further weaken the Euro and provide a greater competitive edge for German industry against American exporters. I can see why American industry and government is annoyed. Euro-wide austerity in countries like Germany (and imposed on countries like Greece) reduces their potential markets while artificially boosting German exporters. However, if I were the Americans I wouldn't complain about Germany and the other northern Euro nations too much. Their drive for austerity in a deep Euro-wide recession is self-defeating in the medium to long term.
They should take a page from the bible and enact a debt jubilee, their current course will only end in tears. As for the US; pot, kettle, black.
ryacko wrote:If this increases a demand for US money, why does the purchase of US treasuries by the Federal Reserve cause interest rates to fall (interest rates = price of renting money), and the US dollar to depreciate?
It doesn't. This is the TNX, the rate of the benchmark 10 year T-note.
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Because they're stupid and they're wrong.
The Chinese cannot cash out their holdings to my knowledge, rather they can resell them for cents on the dollar.
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ryacko wrote:
mr friendly guy wrote:
ryacko wrote:... ... ...
The US treasury has proven itself to be more then incompetent now. They condemn a nation with a budget surplus. Furthermore, a government doesn't make up an entire economy's output or demand. Have they ignored the entirety of supply-side economics?

On another note, I say let China manipulate their currency. They can only devalue it by printing money, which will only generate inflation, and thus unrest. The savings rate in China is around 38% (ten times higher then their American counterparts).
You have no idea how China keeps its currency low relative to the USD do you? Hint - its not so much they print money, its they buy US treasuries. This causes an increase in demand for US money (hence the USD rises, and by default the Chinese RMB falls). If the Chinese cashed out all their holdings and brought all the money back to China (as opposed to using it to buy goods elsewhere), then the country would experience really high inflation.
If this increases a demand for US money, why does the purchase of US treasuries by the Federal Reserve cause interest rates to fall (interest rates = price of renting money), and the US dollar to depreciate?
Why was the purchase of US treasuries by the Chinese blamed by some economists as causing the US housing bubble by lowering US interest rates?

Can you answer these questions without contradicting yourself?

The Chinese cannot cash out their holdings to my knowledge, rather they can resell them for cents on the dollar.
For question one presumably the Federal reserve can increase the US money supply when they buy US debt. The Chinese cannot increase the US money supply. They can only increase the supply of RMB. They exchange the RMB for US money which they use to buy US debt. In other words the Fed works by increasing supply, the Chinese do it by increasing demand, thus they have opposite effects. No contradiction there.

For question two, I am tempted to say to create a scapegoat. However this site explains how China pegs its currency and so does this one. Both describe an increase in demand for US treasuries, and yes there is an increase in the RMB supply. This of course isn't that inflationary because this new RMB is not in China being spent. The first site also explains that the Chinese buying US treasuries leads to lower yields in the treasury. Simple principle, higher yields attract more investors, but if lots of investors want to buy treasuries already, your yields are low. Going on this sites talks about relationship between mortgage rates and treasury yields. But essentially mortgage rates tend to be higher than treasury yields because they are more risky. They are if you like in a competition for investors funds. If treasury yields go up, mortgage rates must go up, otherwise who would want to invest in something more risky with the same return? The opposite also happens to be true. If treasury yields go down (due to China buying treasuries), then mortgage rates don't need to be so high. Hence with these low mortgage rates, people could spend more on housing leading to the bubble.

Point three, securities can be traded on the secondary market. Even if the Chinese sell it at a loss, the point I was making is, if they exchange all that US dollar back to RMB and bring it all back to China, it will worsen their inflation problem (although to be fair, inflation is less of an issue in recent months). Thus what they are doing now in terms of currency manipulation, actually doesn't contribute that much to their inflation, which was my original point.
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Stupid article. Apparently selling goods now is some moral evil according to the author. As to the notion that we are artificially keeping the crisis alive to lower our export prices, please. Most ridiculous conspiracy theory ever. I assume the author pictures Merkel as some moustache-twirling Bond villain "and zhen I vill crush thee with my low price."
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ryacko wrote:If this increases a demand for US money, why does the purchase of US treasuries by the Federal Reserve cause interest rates to fall (interest rates = price of renting money), and the US dollar to depreciate?
Why was the purchase of US treasuries by the Chinese blamed by some economists as causing the US housing bubble by lowering US interest rates?

Can you answer these questions without contradicting yourself?

The Chinese cannot cash out their holdings to my knowledge, rather they can resell them for cents on the dollar.
I'm simply amazed that someone can be corrected on so many diverse topics and even after that still not put some humility or caveats into their posts.
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Thanas, I suspect that the article was sort of mocking the original report. I'm still confused about the tone, though, but it would be a safe bet given that it was the Torygraph who have been very much on the side of austerity. That said, the argument (the recession in Europe is being worsened by payment imbalances across the Euro, since Germany, rightly or wrongly, refuses to accept increased inflation) is not new.
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