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[Lonestar]

You can legally buy silencers in the USA? What for?

Because guns are loud and loud noises cause hearing damage.

[Alyeska]

Silencers aren't used in crime.

You know in Finland and Norway the only law we have on silencers is that you need to own a gun to buy one. It's been like this for ever pretty much, I can't recall a single time a suppressor has ever been used in a crime.

Apparently the most common crime with sillencers is illegal posession. Actual use in a crime is essentialy non-existent.

[Alyeska]

Fun Fact. Until very recently, silencers were illegal in Washington state. Thanks to the Hollywood Stigma, silencers were illegal.

Just how illegal? Well it turns out it was legal to own a silencer. But illegal to use one. How on earth can that be? Well it turns out the law was very poorly written. The act of suppressing the sound of a gun was illegal. But that meant it was even illegal to insulate shooting ranges. Indoor shooting range making too much noise in the neighborhood? It was illegal to sound insulate the building because that was suppressing the sound of the gun.

So silencers were legal to own but illegal to use.

That law was over ridden back in 2011.

Silencers are one of those no-nonsense safety things that everyone should agree on. Its an optional safety device that I think should be encouraged for everyone that shoots.

[Aaron MkII]

So what about subsonic rounds, did they ban those as well?

[Aaron MkII]

Apologies for the dodgy camera phone pics. I've just come back from visiting the smith whose putting a thumbhole on my Mosin Nagant:





The stock is a purple laminate Boyds blank. So far there is about 25 hours work, with just the sling studs and the clear coat to go.

Just from holding it at the shop, it's massively more comfortable and the sights come up to the eye perfectly. Whether it improves it enough to fire comfortably I don’t know yet but at least I can get all my fingers on the grip.

[Lonestar]

Thumbhole-stock = Mass murdering machine

[Aaron MkII]

Takes high capacity assault clips as well.

Double ban.

Oh wait, bayonet lug gets the triple ban.

[Sea Skimmer]

Among other guns reported to be on the but for Feinstein ban list are all M1 rifles, M1 carbines, and SKS carbines. So that's what, about 25 million guns on its own?

Speaking of silencers, does anyone have first hand experience, or heck, know someone, who's used one of those Econo-Can suppressors that's just an adaptor for an oil filter?

[Lonestar]

Bayont lug + semituomatic would make the Garand a banned item. That this is even being toyed with shows just how fucking nuts Feinstein is.

[Azazal]

Speaking of silencers, does anyone have first hand experience, or heck, know someone, who's used one of those Econo-Can suppressors that's just an adaptor for an oil filter?

For what it's worth

[Thanas]

Isn't it a bit more silent simply due to the larger size of the thing?

[The Duchess of Zeon]

A bit of Russian heat.

[His Divine Shadow]

Isn't it a bit more silent simply due to the larger size of the thing?

The internal design is quite important as well. I've had suppressors that are bigger yet suppress worse than a smaller but better quality counterpart. I find those oil can things nearly useless for any useful purpose. It'll be fun for shooting at cans at point blank range for all of 5 minutes, then when you can't do anything useful with it later on... well there you are, minus the 200$ required to get the tax stamp for the adapter.

[Aaron MkII]

A bit of Russian heat.

More Russian is always good. So how does it shoot? And how is the ammo supply?

[Sea Skimmer]

Bayont lug + semituomatic would make the Garand a banned item. That this is even being toyed with shows just how fucking nuts Feinstein is.

The proposed law is a 1 feature ban, but that bayonet lugs, fixed bayonets and flash hiders would no longer be counted as features. Some new stuff like the mentioned thumbhole stocks, and ANY button based magazine ejector would be. So the M1 rifle wouldn't be banned on features, but for the sake of making sure all those dirty evil cop killing .30-06 AP semi auto rifles are off the streets it would be banned by name.

Amusingly the law would also ban rocket launchers, but retain the exemption that makes hand cranked galting guns not be classified as machine guns. So American rights to own blackpowder 1.5in caliber galting guns that could bring down aircraft would be protected, but not anything rational.

[Lonestar]

The proposed law is a 1 feature ban, but that bayonet lugs, fixed bayonets and flash hiders would no longer be counted as features. Some new stuff like the mentioned thumbhole stocks, and ANY button based magazine ejector would be. So the M1 rifle wouldn't be banned on features, but for the sake of making sure all those dirty evil cop killing .30-06 AP semi auto rifles are off the streets it would be banned by name.

They've finally produced a list of banned rifles? I thought they hadn't yet. The NRA-ILA claims to have gotten ahold of a draft bill, but it looks like it only mentions the M1 Carbine.

[Eternal_Freedom]

Wait, button-based magazine ejectors? Damn that's stupid.

[Sea Skimmer]

They've finally produced a list of banned rifles? I thought they hadn't yet. The NRA-ILA claims to have gotten ahold of a draft bill, but it looks like it only mentions the M1 Carbine.

I've heard a version exists with the M1 rifle on it. It really wouldn't surprise me because the people of her ilk have called for it to be banned before.

Wait, button-based magazine ejectors? Damn that's stupid.

Absurdly. It also seems to be the primary reason why the list of exemptions from the proposed ban is, and this much is on the idiots own website, 900 guns long. Otherwise it would be banning the majority of modern gun models. Instead it becomes a giant catch all to let the idiots pick and choose what weapons are legal, while claiming they are merely banning 'assault weapons'.

[Raj Ahten]

I figured I should Finally post to this thread. I recently got a few guns from my grandfather. I just wish it wasn't because he passed away though. They are a Mossberg 500 clone of some sort and a Colt .38 revolver with a 2" barrel. I dig the revolver even though it isn't anything special. I'm a sucker for older pieces. There will be pics later along with the ancient one shot .22 I already had and my Kahr CW9 9mm that I need to send to a gunsmith because the firing pin doesn't strike hard enough to fire every 5 bullets or so. Also got a question for Lonestar. What ranges do you like in the DC area? The ones I go to are packed & have long waiting times just about all the time.

[Lonestar]

I prefer the NRA HQ range, and will on occassion go to Blue Ridge Arsenal. I go to Bull Run for clay pigeon/skeet shooting.

I also have friends of the family that have a chunk of land in the Shenandoah for plinking purposes. I have a coworker that swears by the Lorton Small-Arms range, and have seen other NOVAians say they like the Silver Eagle range in Loudoun.


EDIT: Just to be clear, my card for the NRA range says "non-member". I refuse to give the NRA more $$$ other than using their excellent range.

[Raj Ahten]

I prefer the NRA HQ range, and will on occassion go to Blue Ridge Arsenal. I go to Bull Run for clay pigeon/skeet shooting.

I also have friends of the family that have a chunk of land in the Shenandoah for plinking purposes. I have a coworker that swears by the Lorton Small-Arms range, and have seen other NOVAians say they like the Silver Eagle range in Loudoun.


EDIT: Just to be clear, my card for the NRA range says "non-member". I refuse to give the NRA more $$$ other than using their excellent range.

Yeah the NRA does have the best range that I've found and they let you shoot just about anything. Maybe I should stop going right after Christmas or on weekends because you can easily end up waiting an hour, hour and a half plus for a lane.

Now onto the Photos I spoke of earlier.

First off the old .22. Its a Winchester model 67 single shot bolt action. My grandfather gave it to me several years back when he was still alive.


Here is the shotgun. It's maker as rather mysterious to me as no company is listed along with its gauge information. All I know is its a "24" Slugster" and that it had been sitting in my grandfather's closet for years. Haven't had a chance to try it out yet.


Now for the handguns. The revolver is a .38 Colt Cobra, also from the Grandfather Collection. The other is my dysfunction Kahr CW9 9mm.

[Lonestar]

For those curious, here's the response I finally got from one of my Senators(Senator Warner). Congressman Connolly's office tends to not to respond to emails or answer phone calls, so who knows about that.

Dear Mr. Lonestar,
Thank you for contacting me to share your thoughts on the tragic events in Newtown, Connecticut and your views on gun control.

On December 14, 2012, 20 innocent children and six adults lost their lives in one of the worst, most tragic shootings to ever occur in the United States. As a parent of three daughters, this was the ultimate nightmare. Like the Virginia Tech and Columbine shootings, this tragedy unfolded in what was once regarded as a safe haven free of crime and violence: a school.

I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment constitutional right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms. I own firearms and I have an "A" rating from the National Rifle Association. However, I also recognize that, like with many of our constitutional rights, our Second Amendment rights are not without limits. It is unfortunate that a tragedy of this magnitude is what is needed to prompt action, but we need to have a serious discussion on how to best avoid these kinds of mass shootings in the future. The status quo is not acceptable.

I believe our discussion should cover many issues. We can start by improving the existing criminal background check system. Currently, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) is woefully incomplete, with many states failing to submit available records on persons who may be disqualified from purchasing or possessing firearms. With a more complete background check system, we can keep firearms out of the hands of those who have been deemed unfit to possess them.

In addition, we can take common sense measures such as passing the CAMPUS Safety Act (S. 3682), which I introduced last year. That bill would establish a national center for campus public safety within the Department of Justice to serve as a resource center and assist schools and universities in developing campus safety plans and threat assessment tools. We also need to look at changes to our mental health system so we can provide help to those with dangerous mental illnesses before it is too late. There will not be a single solution, but all of these issues and others need to be part of the conversation and I urge you to continue to express your views as we move forward.

Again, thank you for contacting me. For further information or to sign up for my newsletter please visit my website at http://warner.senate.gov[1] .

Sincerely, MARK R. WARNER United States Senator

So, it appears he has made no mention of a new AWB, and what his office has mentioned(requiring states to report NICS relevant info, how schools and law enforcement can be used for better campus safety, Mental Health needs to be looked out)...has made me cautiously optimistic. As he mentioned he owns firearms, and I vaguely recall him saying he owned a Garand somewhere, it might have been on the local radio "Ask the Senator" program.

But it's all too sane so it probably won't gain any traction. We're probably going to either (1)Do Nothing or (2)Ban shit.

[Tsyroc]

So what about subsonic rounds, did they ban those as well?

I know there are a couple of 22 rounds that are about as noisy as shot from an air rifle. Just last year my uncle was looking for some so he could shoot vermin in his backyard without scaring the neighbors. I think he found a couple different varieties that met that criteria.

[Alyeska]

Beretta CX4 9mm. In order, a Beretta 30 round magazine, a Beretta 20 round magazine, and a Mec-Gar 20 round magazine. The magazine in the rifle is also a Mec-Gar 20 rounder.
Tacticool Additions. Tri-rails on the forward for tactical lights, lasers, or a grip. Top rail (did not come installed, mine was old enough that was optional) with Aimpoint CompM2 M68 red dot scope. Beretta factory barrel shroud. Not a silencer, but intended to look like one. All stock spacers removed to reduce overall length.


Beretta 92FS with Crimson Trace laser grips. Beretta 10 round factory magazine. Beretta 15 round factory magazine. Mec-Gar 15 round magazine. Mec-Gar Optimum 18 round magazine. And then a Mec-Gar 20 round magazine. The Beretta 92FS and CX4 can use the same magazines. So the previous 30 rounder can fit in the 92FS pistol. You can see how Beretta artificially limits the capacity of their 10 and 15 round magazines. Mec-Gar put a small crimp to make their 15 rounder. Then the 18 is using the magazines total size while the 20 is a +2 extension at the bottom.








Top: Glock 20 10mm Auto with extra 15 round factory magazine.
Left: Glock 26 9mm with extra 10 round factory magazine and an additional Glock 19 15 round factory magazine. Glock 17 and 19 magazines fit in the Glock 26.
Right: Glock 22 40cal. Hogue grip. 22 round factory magazine and 15 round factory magazine.


Left: FN-FNP 45. Old factory 14 round magazine. New 15 round factory magazine.
Right: Ruger GP-100 .357 magnum with 4" barrel. Can also fire .38 special


Kimber Stainless II. M1911 type pistol. Spare Kimber factory magazine, 8 rounds. Crimson trace laser grips.


As you can probably tell, I love semi autos. Very fun to shoot. I have several more not pictured. A personal favorite is the Walther P22. A nice fun little .22 pistol thats easy on the wallet to shoot. But I picked up both the Glock 20 and the Ruger GP-100 this year as hiking guns. I don't live in the big city. I live in Western Montana and on the side of a mountain. So there are plenty of wolves, mountain lions, black bears, and even grizzly bears. Oh my.

[Alyeska]

Left: Springfield Armory XDm 40 4.5 Bi-Tone. Factory 16 round magazine
Right: Springfield Armory XD 9 Service. Factory 16 round magazine. Mec-Gar 18 round magazine. Hogue grips.