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The funny part: the reason of most conscription supporters to vote the way they did was to keep the community service that is the alternative to serving in the army, the same service that was ridiculed and made as unpleasant as possible to get into at its introduction.
Young people favored a wholly professional army, the elderly conscription. Looking forward to seeing the gender split, women are so far excempt, I hope that changes with the next reform.
Austria votes to keep conscription
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Austria votes to keep conscription
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Re: Austria votes to keep conscription
There is an EuGH ruling that it is ok for Austria to exempt women from conscription, so that won't change.
Problem was that there were no plans on HOW to make the pro army and voluntary social service work. These will be presented in a week or so, I heard. Stupid timing. This could have tipped the scales.
Problem was that there were no plans on HOW to make the pro army and voluntary social service work. These will be presented in a week or so, I heard. Stupid timing. This could have tipped the scales.
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Re: Austria votes to keep conscription
Why is it okay to exempt women? Do they do community service or something?
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Re: Austria votes to keep conscription
Legislation
tl;dr version:
It is not a discrimination, because women can get pregnant, and this should be accounted for...
Defense is the State's business...
Woman can volunteer for service, and they would be treated the same, so no discrimination...
tl;dr version:
It is not a discrimination, because women can get pregnant, and this should be accounted for...
Defense is the State's business...
Woman can volunteer for service, and they would be treated the same, so no discrimination...
A minute's thought suggests that the very idea of this is stupid. A more detailed examination raises the possibility that it might be an answer to the question "how could the Germans win the war after the US gets involved?" - Captain Seafort, in a thread proposing a 1942 'D-Day' in Quiberon Bay
I do archery skeet. With a Trebuchet.
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Re: Austria votes to keep conscription
But (usually) woe the man who would argue that women can't do something because of their gender.
I just hope our govenment reconsiders that decision in a few years.
I just hope our govenment reconsiders that decision in a few years.
"In view of the circumstances, Britannia waives the rules."
"All you have to do is to look at Northern Ireland, [...] to see how seriously the religious folks take "thou shall not kill. The more devout they are, the more they see murder as being negotiable." George Carlin
"We need to make gay people live in fear again! What ever happened to the traditional family values of persecution and lies?" - Darth Wong
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Apparantly Young People and Women were the groups that voted for 'Professional Army', and Old People and especially older men were pro conscrition.
Reason one - "It didn't hurt me, it won't hurt them - I had to do it, so do they..."
Reason two - "I need community servants to care for me, now that I'm old, I don't want experiments as long as I live..."
Change? maybe in one or two decades, when they finally find out that they can't scarpe enough able people out of the years due to reclining birth numbers...
Reason one - "It didn't hurt me, it won't hurt them - I had to do it, so do they..."
Reason two - "I need community servants to care for me, now that I'm old, I don't want experiments as long as I live..."
Change? maybe in one or two decades, when they finally find out that they can't scarpe enough able people out of the years due to reclining birth numbers...
A minute's thought suggests that the very idea of this is stupid. A more detailed examination raises the possibility that it might be an answer to the question "how could the Germans win the war after the US gets involved?" - Captain Seafort, in a thread proposing a 1942 'D-Day' in Quiberon Bay
I do archery skeet. With a Trebuchet.
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Re: Austria votes to keep conscription
The one good thing that ex-PhD and ex-minister of defense Von und Zu Guttenberg accomplished here in Germany was getting conscription suspended.
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