Is the Rise of China beneficial to US Interests?

[Simon_Jester]

Japan was stealing US superconductors and doing lots of stealing. I see no reason to say China is not doing well. It takes a German high-speed train, then produces a domestic version with improved characteristics.

Many Japanese innovations of the 1960s and 1970s were in the form of techniques, not hardware. Manufacturing techniques, quality control methods, things like that. Those can be advances just as significant as physical technology- organization of labor counts.

[K. A. Pital]

Currently, the Indian Navy is the one doing international missions, even if its just Somali pirate hunting here and there.

China is hunting pirates too. China's Navy is doing no fewer anti-piracy deployments than India at the very least.

About the worst part about this post is the fear of comeuppance part.

Comeuppance in general is America's paranoid fear; not something which has basis in reality. America makes films and publishes bestselling novels about the USSR/China/Korea/Muslim Khalifate etc. invading America and crushing American military. What is this unrealistic shit about? Of course comeuppance. Most nation's motive in these flicks is to "make the Great Satan pay". Why does America make such stories in abundance, now?

[Scrib]

Currently, the Indian Navy is the one doing international missions, even if its just Somali pirate hunting here and there.

China is hunting pirates too. China's Navy is doing no fewer anti-piracy deployments than India at the very least.

About the worst part about this post is the fear of comeuppance part.

Comeuppance in general is America's paranoid fear; not something which has basis in reality. America makes films and publishes bestselling novels about the USSR/China/Korea/Muslim Khalifate etc. invading America and crushing American military. What is this unrealistic shit about? Of course comeuppance. Most nation's motive in these flicks is to "make the Great Satan pay". Why does America make such stories in abundance, now?

They need a challenge to keep people occupied for 90 minutes? Doesn't mean that they believe that China is going to sprout a thousand warships and come get them.

[xthetenth]

About the worst part about this post is the fear of comeuppance part.

Comeuppance in general is America's paranoid fear; not something which has basis in reality. America makes films and publishes bestselling novels about the USSR/China/Korea/Muslim Khalifate etc. invading America and crushing American military. What is this unrealistic shit about? Of course comeuppance. Most nation's motive in these flicks is to "make the Great Satan pay". Why does America make such stories in abundance, now?

From the way people talk around here, it's because America has made a lot of enemies, but it's just so inconceivable that we could be doing things to warrant that so pretty much the rest of the world is running on some ill-defined animus. So stories like that catch on that feeling.

[Dominarch's Hope]

Most of our enemies that are an actual threat have much more invested in our general well being than watching us burn.


The movie deal is basically a "What if" that justifies unlimited asskicking with none of this pansy ass ROE crap. Thats thegist of it.

[Scrib]

Most of our enemies that are an actual threat have much more invested in our general well being than watching us burn.


The movie deal is basically a "What if" that justifies unlimited asskicking with none of this pansy ass ROE crap. Thats thegist of it.

ROE?

Without knowing what ROE is I'd also add that the big bad Chinese/Russians/Germans whatever are probably there to allow Americans to go "Murrikah, fuck yeah!" without any shame. It's just a quick way to get the juices following.

[Stark]

Its certainly reframing the horrible things their nation does for money as purely defensive: positing a world where if they DIDN'T topple a democratically elected government to grow bananas, TANKS IN TIMES SQUARE, COMMUNISTS IN THE STREETS. It also helps that an essential part of fascism is that you have to both wank out how strong you are and also wank out how dangerous your enemies are, lest anyone realise the strength is a waste of time and the enemies manufactured. Its why so many stories across media involve people being peaceful or less hegemonic and being punished for it by the very real (ps not real) threat of North Korea conquering all of Asia in four years etc etc etc.

I think its fascinating. The strongest nation in history, built on cowardice and fear. Its like one thousand anime films! :V

[Zwinmar]

RoE= Rules of Engagment.

Usually those in the specified zone, or going into it, are given a list of rules they have to follow. If politicians are directly involved these rules tend to make no sense and put the life of those taking fire in danger.

However, the basic RoE's are specified under the Geneva Convention geneva convention summary (whether it is followed or not now days is a different topic)

[Dominarch's Hope]

Stark, we are simply concerned that the rest of the world is just super-jealous.

[Luke Skywalker]

Well, I slacked off, didn't prepare a thing and improvised my debate. We went 0-2.

6-4, in playoffs.

Darn it, I should have actually read some of the evidence here. I was pro both times (in support of China's rise).

Our first opponents focused heavily on evidence of Chinese anti-American espionage and cyber-attacks that may-or-may-not have been state sponsored. Thanks to not doing much research at all, I had to counter with a blanket statement that, since the resolution looks at the rise of China holistically ("on balance"), even assuming for the sake of argument that Chinese espionage and state sponsored cyber attacks exist, the net benefit we derive economically is still positive in spite of whatever billions we lose. They also brought up outsourcing and shot themselves in the foot by simultaneous claiming that China's manufacturing industry is outpacing ours due its workers' low wages, and that its workers' wages are rising in correspondence with China's gaining employment in high-technology fields. ???

The judge, a random school teacher volunteer, said that the debate was extremely close, so he gave it to con because their argument was "simpler and easier to digest".

Our second opponents simply hit home with outsourcing statistics (to which I briefly rebuted by stating that the power is on us to regulate or ban outsourcing if we so desire), China's support of North Korea and Iran (to which I claimed that China actually keeps these nations on a leash and tames them), and our increasing trade deficit (to which I had not the slightest rebuttal).

Our next debate is on...

Obamacare.

[mr friendly guy]

Why is it the winners are judged on the argument being "simpler and easier to digest"? Shouldn't it be on which one has the evidence on their side and internally consistent?

[Grandmaster Jogurt]

It's a debate competition, not a philosophical examination to find the truth. If your argument is more right but so convoluted that it's harder to accept, then you're not doing a good job of convincing people with it.

[ray245]

More importantly, the people adjucating the debate must not walk into a debate himself or herself. He or she is supposed to take on the mindset of your common everyday Joe.

[CaptHawkeye]

I think its fascinating. The strongest nation in history, built on cowardice and fear. Its like one thousand anime films! :V

It's a step-by-step repeat of the British Empire's foreign policy really. Complete with military conquest and puppet governments.