Obama hates the Nazis? Fuck you Obama!

[hongi]

Wat.

President Obama issued a statement yesterday to commemorate International Holocaust Remembrance Day. He noted that survivors who bore witness to “the horrors of the cattle cars, ghettos, and concentration camps have witnessed humanity at its very worst and know too well the pain of losing loved ones to senseless violence.” (We noted below how some in Europe chose to mark the day, which takes place each year on January 27, the day Soviet troops liberated Auschwitz.)

The idea that all violence is “senseless” violence is one that has taken deep root on the left; it’s also, unfortunately, one that poses a major impediment to understanding the world.

Nazism may have been an ideology to which the United States was — and to which the president is — implacably opposed, but it is hardly “senseless.” By the early 1930s, the Nazi party had hundreds of thousands of devoted members and repeatedly attracted a third of the votes in German elections; its political leaders campaigned on a platform comprising 25 non-senseless points, including the “unification of all Germans,” a demand for “land and territory for the sustenance of our people,” and an assertion that “no Jew can be a member of the race.” Suffice it to say, many sensible Germans were persuaded.

On September 12, 2012, President Obama also lamented the “the kind of senseless violence that took the lives” of four Americans in Benghazi. That, you may recall, is the day the president supposedly said the murders occurred as a result of a non-senseless terrorist attack carried out by jihadists.

This sanitized version of events, both past and present, is surely more comforting. It’s also truly senseless.

Eliana Johnson - National Review media editor

[Flagg]

Holy fucking shit.

[dragon]

Despite all that about senseless violence he sure does enough of it in the form of drone strikes. How many families has he destroyed by missed strikes.

[madd0ct0r]

Using the lower bounds.
7.26 people killed per attack (average)
Eh. I think that counts as destroying a family. Possibly 2 if you count two brothers who are married with kids as having two nuclear families. Call it 1.3 on average.
310 drones strikes under Obama ~ 400 families destroyed so far.

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US Drone Strike statistic based on research by a team of journalists of the Bureau of Investigative Journalism:[2][17]
(As of 10 January 2013)
Total strikes: 362
Total reported killed: 2,629 – 3,461
Civilians reported killed: 475 – 891
Children reported killed: 176
Total reported injured: 1,267 – 1,431
Strikes under the Bush Administration: 52
Strikes under the Obama Administration: 310

sourced origionally here: http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/20 ... e-strikes/

[NecronLord]

It sounds like someone hasn't twigged that senseless in this context, means unjustified. What a fool.

[Dr. Trainwreck]

This particular idiot might know better, so we better ask: when you use the finest science and valuable resources to set up an industry of murder that would make Timur the Lame puke, and you only stop because others manage to kill you in time, what exactly is sensible in what you do?

Also, also... what the shit... just so you can score a point against Obama, you are willing to give context and moral ambiguity to the fucking Nazis? Why don't you come to Greece and feel the love, you stupid shit?

[Atlan]

-SNIP-.

-SNIP-

And if the writer had brought that up, she might have had a point. But instead she basically defended the Nazis against an attack from that dastardly negro.

Oh Republicans, you so crazy!

[Kuja]

Nazism may have been an ideology to which the United States was — and to which the president is — implacably opposed, but it is hardly “senseless.” By the early 1930s, the Nazi party had hundreds of thousands of devoted members and repeatedly attracted a third of the votes in German elections; its political leaders campaigned on a platform comprising 25 non-senseless points, including the “unification of all Germans,” a demand for “land and territory for the sustenance of our people,” and an assertion that “no Jew can be a member of the race.” Suffice it to say, many sensible Germans were persuaded.

Yeah, I think Flagg said it perfectly-

Holy fucking shit.

[madd0ct0r]

-SNIP-.

-SNIP-

And if the writer had brought that up, she might have had a point. But instead she basically defended the Nazis against an attack from that dastardly negro.

Oh Republicans, you so crazy!

oh christ yes. the OP's quote is non-sense.
I was just distracted by rhetorical questions.

[Thanas]

Today I learned that when Chomsky called the national review crypto-fascists, he was actually wrong. There is nothing crypto about that.

[Channel72]

Whatever - it's just semantic quibbling. Senseless semantic quibbling.

The Nazis weren't senseless in the sense that their actions were "meaningless" or "arbitrary"; they actually had goals and objectives, and implemented plans to carry out those objectives effectively. But aside from their systemic, industrialized murder infrastructure, they still committed various individual acts of senseless (i.e. arbitrary) violence, meaning violence for the sake of asserting individual dominance over their victims or satisfying their hatred towards theirs victims.

[mr friendly guy]

I believe the proper term for that type of rhetorical trick is called equivocation. But geez, its like they hate Obama so much they oppose something purely because it was Obama that said it.

[Serafina]

I believe the proper term for that type of rhetorical trick is called equivocation. But geez, its like they hate Obama so much they oppose something purely because it was Obama that said it.

[Dominarch's Hope]

He is coming from the same angle that supposes that calling the Nazis inhuman is rather stupid. I hope thats it.


Yes, Nazis were evil. Still human, hell, Himmler was a doting and loving father...who just happened to be a mass murderer. Hitler was responsible for the first Breast Cancer awareness campaign.


What about RUF fighters from Sierra Leone? Some of them ended up acting like decent human beings afterwards.


My point is, there are very few people who actually are complete monsters. We have to admit that what the Nazis did, and what UNICEF does, are both human things to do. That way, we can better avert such disasters when possible.

[xthetenth]

"Those who perished as a result of Nazi terror, millions of individual men and women and children whose lives were taken so senselessly, must never be forgotten."

- Ronald Reagan

[Lord Relvenous]

Jesus. You'd think that at some point while writing that, the author would have the thought, "holy shit, I'm defending Nazis, one of the most universally hated villains of the modern world. Maybe getting at Obama isn't worth it."

Then again, that would require a brain and not just a anti-left kneejerk device planted between both ears.

[Dominarch's Hope]

The saddest part is how the actual statements of the article are overwritten by the sheer absurdity of defending the Nazis. Makes me wonder if thats the point, to put people who have issues eith drone strikes or beleive not all violence is senseless in the same boat as Nazis.


Also, that comic is innaccurate. Most Conservative women I have ever met and heard of are fairly pro-breastfeeding as a right.

[Dalton]

Also, that comic is innaccurate. Most Conservative women I have ever met and heard of are fairly pro-breastfeeding as a right.

That's not the fucking point.

[Dominarch's Hope]

I know what the point is, its to point out the long history of shitnlike republicans voting against their own bills because Democrats said ok to them.


Its just innaccurate. The cheetos thing though...it sadly has a kernel of truth to it.

[Zaune]

Is there no chance of this being some kind of subtle and cunningly disguised piss-take?

[Dalton]

I know what the point is, its to point out the long history of shitnlike republicans voting against their own bills because Democrats said ok to them.

No, not entirely.

Its just innaccurate. The cheetos thing though...it sadly has a kernel of truth to it.

Wow. First off, personal anecdotes don't render a statement accurate or inaccurate, hence why it's an anecdote. Secondly, it's a cartoon, not a political treatise. Third, the point is that Teapublican dolts tend to go against anything Obama says. That's the whole gag. I feel stupid just having to explain it to you.

[UnderAGreySky]

I saw this a while ago and had one of the moments where my fingers hovered over the keyboard preparing to write a response and.... stayed hovering. How the fuck does one respond to this?

The NRO is supposed to be the less batshit insane side of the Republicans. They actually paid for someone to write this, AND it went through at least one editor.

[Lord Relvenous]

I saw this a while ago and had one of the moments where my fingers hovered over the keyboard preparing to write a response and.... stayed hovering. How the fuck does one respond to this?

The NRO is supposed to be the less batshit insane side of the Republicans. They actually paid for someone to write this, AND it went through at least one editor.

I'd love for Poe's Law to apply here, but unfortunately with the Republican party it very rarely does.

[Alyrium Denryle]

He is coming from the same angle that supposes that calling the Nazis inhuman is rather stupid. I hope thats it.

It isn't. The author is deliberately equivocating two uses of the word "senseless". One meaning unjustified, the other being almost random. A death in a car accident or parasite infection is senseless because they are for the most part process driven. You will get car accidents as a simple emergent property of having roads. Then there is the other use, in which a purposeful action was taken--but that purpose is unjustified.

The author then goes on to talk about the Nazis as if their ideology had merit--specifically mentioning that a third of the population specifically supported them.

Yes, Nazis were evil. Still human, hell, Himmler was a doting and loving father

Who killed his own children after drugging them to sleep and shoving cyanide down their throats.

What about RUF fighters from Sierra Leone? Some of them ended up acting like decent human beings afterwards.

So did some Nazis when they came to their senses after the war. That does not mean their actions were any less unjustifiable.

[Vympel]

The author then goes on to talk about the Nazis as if their ideology had merit--specifically mentioning that a third of the population specifically supported them.

Wait, you mean appealing to popularity isn't valid?

I can't believe some idiot but that article out there. Its just odious.