Star Trek into Darkness - Synopsis

[Flagg]

That was the stupidest part of Nemesis. Bald Shinzon. We know he had hair long after the Academy for fucksake.

[Skylon]

That was the stupidest part of Nemesis. Bald Shinzon. We know he had hair long after the Academy for fucksake.

I think the worst part was when they showed this fucking picture: http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/ ... dCadet.jpg

Whatever, Shinzon's bald, you can hand-wave that away if you really want, but then they actively went and said "LOL! Look, Picard was always bald! Ignore what we showed/said before!"

[Srelex]

That was the stupidest part of Nemesis. Bald Shinzon. We know he had hair long after the Academy for fucksake.

Maybe he was wearing a wig.

[Jon]

Another new trailer...

[DaveJB]

Well, judging by how Kirk didn't recognise Cumberbatch's character, I think we can rule out Gary Mitchell being the bad guy. And from that "I'm better than you... at everything" remark, I'm guessing if the villain isn't Khan, then it's another Augment.

[Eternal_Freedom]

Well the Big E looks like it gets pretty trashed and appears to be falling towards a planet rather quickly. Right at the end when that last building gets totalled, was that a starship saucer hitting it? looked disk-shaped to me.

As for Cumberbatch being an augment, maybe, but that "I'm better than you" line doesn't make that certain. He could simply be a) very arrogant or b) is actually better than Kirk.

[Zwinmar]

It could technically be Treylane (sp?) testing Kirk. I doubt it but it is a possibility.

[The Romulan Republic]

Well, judging by how Kirk didn't recognise Cumberbatch's character, I think we can rule out Gary Mitchell being the bad guy. And from that "I'm better than you... at everything" remark, I'm guessing if the villain isn't Khan, then it's another Augment.

I hope not. Using Kahn would be so obvious and so repetitive. It would also cause the film to be compared to Wrath of Kahn, and in the minds of Trekkies it will almost certainly look bad by comparison (while I like Abrams, I don't know if he has what it takes to make something like Wrath of Kahn).

In fact, if Abrams was dumb enough to make that decision, it would lead me to reconsider choosing him for Star Wars.

The good news is that the being better remark could apply to any villain with a lot of arrogance, which includes Mitchell as I recall. Kirk not knowing who the villain is probably does mean its not Mitchell though.

If its not Mitchell, I'm hoping for an original villain.

[Srelex]

From the dialogue, I would guess that while it isn't Khan, he's either another Augment or possibly a Section 31 creation.

[Captain Seafort]

Kirk not knowing who the villain is probably does mean its not Mitchell though.

Or it is Mitchell and they simply haven't met before, or "who the hell are you" is referring to the rather extreme personality change Mitchell demonstrated rather than not physically recognising him.

[The Romulan Republic]

It could be that.

I'd rather have that than Kahn, although an original character would be nice.

[Eternal_Freedom]

My aplogies if this is already known but Star Trek's facebook page just said:

"Happy Birthday to Alice Eve, who will be playing Carol Marcus in the upcoming Star Trek Into Darkness!"

I am less than enthusiastic.

[Lord Revan]

My aplogies if this is already known but Star Trek's facebook page just said:

"Happy Birthday to Alice Eve, who will be playing Carol Marcus in the upcoming Star Trek Into Darkness!"

I am less than enthusiastic.

well we do know that Kirk had met Carol Marcus sometime before ST2 in the prime timeline and for all we know it's gonna be a minor part or a cameo.

[Eternal_Freedom]

My aplogies if this is already known but Star Trek's facebook page just said:

"Happy Birthday to Alice Eve, who will be playing Carol Marcus in the upcoming Star Trek Into Darkness!"

I am less than enthusiastic.

well we do know that Kirk had met Carol Marcus sometime before ST2 in the prime timeline and for all we know it's gonna be a minor part or a cameo.

This is true and I hope that it is there first meeting. Minor part of cameo? I'd hope not, she's pretty

[The Romulan Republic]

It silly that people seem to think Marcus being in the movie means that Kahn is, as if the two characters have to be together even though they had almost nothing to do with each other and as far as I can recall were never even in the same room in Wrath of Kahn.

I'd love it if Marcus is in the film and Kahn isn't, both for the originality and because it would fuck with peoples' expectations.

[Eternal_Freedom]

Oh I understand that and I'm certain it isn't Khan again, but this is a whole new timeline, they could have created a new character to be original. Still, as I said, I won't mind much given the actress.

[Lord Revan]

On the other hand fantically avoiding all the characters from the prime-timeline could also hurt the movies.

[The Romulan Republic]

I doubt they'll do that, since they included Pike in the last film (and a reference to Archer from Enterprise).

[Crazedwraith]

On the other hand fantically avoiding all the characters from the prime-timeline could also hurt the movies.

No. No it couldn't.

[Eternal_Freedom]

On the other hand fantically avoiding all the characters from the prime-timeline could also hurt the movies.

I'm not suggesting fanatically avoiding them, but use them sparingly, especially characters like Carol Marcus that had a major role.

[biostem]

David Marcus was at least in his 20's in TWoK, so it could certainly make sense that Kirk and Carol could meet t this point in their careers. I'd be very surprised, if Carol Marcus is in this movie, that she wouldn't just be some assistant to a more established Startfleet scientist or still working on her PhD/Doctorate.

[Prometheus Unbound]

Well, judging by how Kirk didn't recognise Cumberbatch's character, I think we can rule out Gary Mitchell being the bad guy. And from that "I'm better than you... at everything" remark, I'm guessing if the villain isn't Khan, then it's another Augment.

I hear "than everything" rather than "at everything".

[Channel72]

From the dialogue, I would guess that while it isn't Khan, he's either another Augment or possibly a Section 31 creation.

Abrams doesn't know what Section 31 is, and likely doesn't give a shit either.

Anyway, all the leaked clues (Carol Marcus, etc.) are probably meaningless. Basically this film looks like a 2013 action version of all the typical TOS "Kirk vs. God" episodes, where Kirk takes on some really powerful/quasi-omnipotent being. Except unlike the original series, where Kirk usually used his wits to outsmart the omnipotent Alien/Computer/whatever, in the Abrams version Kirk will likely use explosions and punching.

Regardless, I really think this new Star Trek franchise is depressing. A Star Trek reboot should be closer in spirit to something like Prometheus, (even though I didn't like that movie either, but whatever), where the focus is on exploration and high-concept interesting discoveries, rather than just action and character drama. That's why the original series was so compelling. Strangely, the movies have never been able to recapture that sort of thing. The best Star Trek movies (2 and 6) are basically action films with great character drama, whereas the worst films (1 and 5) were actually about "new life, boldy going where noone has gone before, etc.". It's not surprising that Abrams is trying to recapture the action and character drama of 2 and 6, it's just that he's not that good and all his characters are more gimmicky and in-your-face than their more mature and thoughtful TOS counterparts.

[The Romulan Republic]

Why do you assume Abrams doesn't know about Section 31? Somebody involved with the reboot knows a bit about the franchise, since the last film was full of references to earlier material.

[Srelex]

Either Orci or Kurtzman apparently do, since it seems they had reference to the group--or a very similar Starfleet conspiracy, at least--slipped into the IDW comic spinoffs.