Fired Cop On a Murderous Rampage in SoCal

[General Mung Beans]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/08/us/fo ... tings.html

Huge Search for Ex-Officer in 3 California Killings
By ADAM NAGOURNEY and IAN LOVETT
Published: February 7, 2013 244 Comments

LOS ANGELES — A former Navy reservist who was fired from the Los Angeles Police Department in 2008 has gone on a murderous rampage aimed at police officers and their families, law enforcement officials said Thursday, killing at least three people — including an 11-year veteran of the Riverside Police Department — and setting off a huge manhunt across Southern California.

The police were on high alert in a dragnet that appeared to rattle even a part of the country familiar with sweeping police hunts. Protection teams were dispatched overnight to guard uniformed officers and their families, scores of officers set up lines of defense outside the fortress that is the Los Angeles Police Department headquarters, and motorcycle officers were ordered to retreat to the safety of patrol cars.

In Torrance, two women delivering newspapers were shot and wounded by police officers who mistook the Honda pickup they were driving for the one identified as belonging to the gunman, a gray Nissan. About 12 hours later in San Diego, squads of police cars, in a blaze of red lights and screeching tires, converged on a motel where the suspect was mistakenly thought to be hiding after his wallet was found on a sidewalk.

As night fell, the gray Nissan was found, destroyed by flames, at the side of a dirt road in a snowy, wooded area near Big Bear, a ski resort about 100 miles from downtown Los Angeles. The resort and local schools were closed as soon as the vehicle was discovered. Police officers and forest rangers said Thursday afternoon that they had come across fresh tracks in the snow not far from the burned vehicle.

The suspect was identified as Christopher J. Dorner, 33, who worked for the Police Department from 2005 to 2008. Mr. Dorner posted a rambling and threatening note on his Facebook page, which police referred to as “his manifesto,” complaining of severe depression and pledging to kill officers to avenge his dismissal for filing a false police report accusing a colleague of police abuse.

In the note, Mr. Dorner said he had struggled to clear his name in court before resorting to violence.

The 6,000-word manifesto was bristling with anger and explicit threats, naming two dozen police officers he intended to kill. Mr. Dorner laid out grievances against a police department that he said remained riddled with racism and corruption, a reference to a chapter of the department’s history that, in the view of many people, was swept aside long ago.

The authorities responded by assigning special security details to protect the people named in the manifesto, and asked the news media not to publish their names.

“I have exhausted all available means at obtaining my name back,” he wrote. “I have attempted all legal court efforts within appeals at the Superior Courts and California Appellate courts. This is my last resort. The LAPD has suppressed the truth and it has now lead to deadly consequences.”

“I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in LAPD uniform whether on or off duty,” he wrote.

The police said that Mr. Dorner was traveling with multiple weapons, including an assault weapon. On his Facebook page, Mr. Dorner posted a certificate from the Department of the Navy attesting that he had completed a course of training to become an antiterrorism officer at the Center for Security Forces.

“Dorner is considered to be armed and extremely dangerous,” said Chief Charlie Beck of the Los Angeles Police Department. “He knows what he’s doing; we trained him. He was also a member of the armed forces. It is extremely worrisome and scary, especially to the police officers involved.”

Mr. Dorner bragged about his lethal skills. “You are aware that I have always been the top shot, highest score, an expert in rifle qualification in every unit I have been on,” he wrote.

The rampage began with a double homicide in Orange County on Sunday. One of the victims, Monica Quan, 28, was the daughter of a former Los Angeles police captain who had defended Mr. Dorner in his disciplinary proceedings.

On Wednesday, Chief Beck said, Mr. Dorner tried to hijack a boat in San Diego. Early Thursday morning, police officers assigned to protect an officer named by Mr. Dorner were alerted by a civilian who spotted a man resembling the suspect. As they followed him, Mr. Dorner opened fire as they approached him — grazing one in the head — before he fled, Chief Beck said.

Less than an hour later, the suspect approached two Riverside police officers parked at a traffic light in a patrol car and opened fire, killing one and seriously wounding the second.

“The Riverside officers were cowardly ambushed,” Chief Beck said. “They had no opportunity to fight back, no pre-warning.”

The authorities were concerned that the gunman would expand his choice of targets. “This is a vendetta against all Southern California law enforcement, and it should be seen as such,” Chief Beck said

More than a dozen law enforcement agencies across Southern California — from Riverside, east of Los Angeles, down to San Diego — were engaged in the search. Police vehicles crowded the freeways, where electronic signs urged drivers to look out for the suspect’s vehicle.

F.B.I. agents staked out a home in Orange County were neighbors said Mr. Dornan’s mother lived. Neighbors said that they had seen Mr. Dornan on and off after he returned from a two-year deployment in the Middle East in 2006. They all said he was a cordial and approachable neighbor.

“I don’t expect to see him anymore, because I know that this is a hot area for him,” said Ike Gonzalez, who has lived there since 1973.

Mr. Dornan was dismissed after being charged with making false statements about his training officer, who he alleged had kicked a suspect. A review board ultimately found Mr. Dornan guilty. Mr. Dornan sued the department, but both the trial court and an appellate court upheld his termination.

In his online manifesto, Mr. Dornan railed against the officers involved in his hearing. “You destroyed my life and name because of your actions,” he wrote. “Time is up.”

“I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I’m terminating yours,” he wrote. “Look your wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead.”

Nuran Alteir contributed reporting from La Palma, Calif.; Will Carless from San Diego; and Kitty Bennett from Tampa, Fla.
This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: February 7, 2013


An earlier version of this article described imprecisely the service status of one of the shooting victims, an officer with the Riverside Police Department. He had been with the department for 11 years, not 14.

This is happening around where I live, and its just terrible. Hopefully this ends without anymore innocents being hurt.

[Alyeska]

Since he killed the daughter of the man that defended him, it seems his paranoia clearly took hold. Everyone can now be his enemy. Absolutely everyone.

[Napoleon the Clown]

Ideally he gets captured with nobody else getting hurt, including himself. He should stand trial for what he's done.

But I'm not gonna be surprised if he gets gunned down instead. From what I read, he's the police suicide type, not the "Oh god I'm gonna die, maybe I should put the gun down and go peacefully?" type.

Someone on my Facebook posted stuff about this guy and I called out the fact that's he's just a murderer that's going about things the wrong way. If he thinks corruption is bad he's gonna have a blast with the cop-killer label. They tend to be a hair harsher with cop-killers than they are with people who are a pain in the ass in basically any other way.

What sickens me is that there are any people who consider what this guy is doing to be in any way good or productive. This kind of shit will just galvanize the police force and have them demanding even more powers to deal with a serial-killer wannabe.

[Alyeska]

And the police are already on edge. Shooting up two innocent people in the wrong vehicle? What the fuck is wrong with them? There is no fucking excuse for that. Those cops need to be charged for attempted murder.

[Dominus Atheos]

His manifesto:

From: Christopher Jordan Dorner /7648

To: America

Subj: Last resort

Regarding CF# 07-004281

I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days. You are saying to yourself that this is completely out of character of the man you knew who always wore a smile wherever he was seen. I know I will be villified by the LAPD and the media.

Unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name. The department has not changed since the Rampart and Rodney King days. It has gotten worse. The consent decree should never have been lifted. The only thing that has evolved from the consent decree is those officers involved in the Rampart scandal and Rodney King incidents have since promoted to supervisor, commanders, and command staff, and executive positions.

The question is, what would you do to clear your name?

Name;

A word or set of words by which a person, animal, place, or thing is known, addressed, or referred to.

Name Synonyms;

reputation, title, appellation, denomination, repute.

A name is more than just a noun, verb, or adjective. It’s your life, your legacy, your journey, sacrifices, and everything you’ve worked hard for every day of your life as and adolescent, young adult and adult. Don’t let anybody tarnish it when you know you’ve live up to your own set of ethics and personal ethos.

In 8/07 I reported an officer (Ofcr. Teresa Evans/now a Sergeant), for kicking a suspect (excessive force) during a Use of Force while I was assigned as a patrol officer at LAPD’s Harbor Division. While cuffing the suspect, (Christopher Gettler), Evans kicked the suspect twice in the chest and once in the face. The kick to the face left a visible injury on the left cheek below the eye. Unfortunately after reporting it to supervisors and investigated by PSB (internal affairs investigator Det. Villanueva/Gallegos), nothing was done. I had broken their supposed “Blue Line”.

Unfortunately, It’s not JUST US, it’s JUSTICE!!! In fact, 10 months later on 6/25/08, after already successfully completing probation, acquiring a basic Post Certificate, and Intermediate Post Certificate, I was relieved of duty by the LAPD while assigned to patrol at Southwest division. It is clear as day that the department retaliated toward me for reporting Evans for kicking Mr. Christopher Gettler. The department stated that I had lied and made up the report that Evans had kicked the suspect.

I later went to a Board of Rights (department hearing for decision of continued employment) from 10/08 to 1/09. During this BOR hearing a video was played for the BOR panel where Christopher Gettler stated that he was indeed kicked by Officer Evans (video sent to multiple news agencies). In addition to Christopher Gettler stating he was kicked, his father Richard Gettler, also stated that his son had stated he was kicked by an officer when he was arrested after being released from custody. This was all presented for the department at the BOR hearing. They still found me guilty and terminated me.

What they didn’t mention was that the BOR panel made up of Capt. Phil Tingirides, Capt. Justin Eisenberg, and City Attorney Martella had a signigicant problem from the time the board was assembled. Capt. Phil Tingirides was a personal friend of Teresa Evans from when he was her supervisor at Harbor station. That is a clear conflict of interest and I made my argument for his removal early and was denied. The advocate for the LAPD BOR was Sgt. Anderson. Anderson also had a conflict of interest as she was Evans friend and former partner from Harbor division where they both worked patrol together. I made my argument for her removal when I discovered her relation to Evans and it was denied.

During the BOR, the department attempted to label me unsuccessfully as a bully. They stated that I had bullied a recruit, Abraham Schefres, in the academy when in reality and unfounded disposition from the official 1.28 formal complaint investigation found that I was the one who stood up for Abraham Schefres when other recruits sang nazi hitler youth songs about burning Jewish ghettos in WWII Germany where his father was a survivor of a concentration camp. How f***ing dare you attempt to label me with such a nasty vile word. I ask that all earnest journalist investigating this story ask Ofcr. Abraham Schefres about the incident when Ofcr. Burdios began singing a nazi youth song about burning jewish ghettos.

The internal affairs investigation in the academy involving Schefres was spurned by a complaint that I had initiated toward two fellow recruit/offifcers. While on a assigned patrol footbeat in Hollywood Division, Officers Hermilio Buridios IV and Marlon Magana (both current LAPD officers) decided that they would voice their personal feelings about the black community. While traveling back to the station in a 12 passenger van I heard Magana refer to another individual as a n****r. I wasn’t sure if I heard correctly as there were many conversations in the van that was compiled of at least 8 officers and he was sitting in the very rear and me in the very front.

Even with the multiple conversations and ambient noise I heard Officer Magana call an indivdual a n****r again. Now that I had confirmed it, I told Magana not to use that word again. I explained that it was a well known offensive word that should not be used by anyone. He replied, “I’ll say it when I want”. Officer Burdios, a friend of his, also stated that he would say n****r when he wanted. At that point I jumped over my front passenger seat and two other officers where I placed my hands around Burdios’ neck and squeezed. I stated to Burdios, “Don’t f***ing say that”. At that point there was pushing and shoving and we were separated by several other officers. What I should have done, was put a Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147 grain bullet in his skull and Officer Magana’s skull.

The Situation would have been resolved effective, immediately. The sad thing about this incident was that when Detective Ty from internal affairs investigated this incident only (1) officer (unknown) in the van other than myself had statements constistent with what actually happened. The other six officers (John Carey, Gary Parker, Jacob Waks, Abraham Schefres and names I have forgotten) all stated they heard nothing and saw nothing. Shame on every one of you. Shame on Detective Ty (same ethnicity as Burdios) for creating a separate 1.28 formal complaint against me (Schefres complaint) in retaliation for initiating the complaint against Burdios and Magana. Don’t retaliate against honest officers for breaking your so called blue line.

I hope your son Ryan Ty, who I knew, is a better officer than you, Detective Ty.The saddest part of this ordeal was that Officer Burdios and Magana were only given 22 day suspensions and are still LAPD officers to this day. That day, the LAPD stated that it is acceptable for fellow officers to call black officers n****rs to their face and you will receive a slap on the wrist. Even sadder is that during that 22 day suspension Buridios and Magana received is that the LAPPL (Los Angeles Police Protective League) paid the officers their salaries while they were suspended. When I took a two day suspension for an accidental discharge, I took my suspension and never applied for a league salary. Its called integrity.

Journalist, I want you to investigate every location I resided in growing up. Find any incidents where I was ever accused of being a bully. You won’t, because it doesn’t exist. It’s not in my DNA. Never was. I was the only black kid in each of my elementary school classes from first grade to seventh grade in junior high and any instances where I was disciplined for fighting was in response to fellow students provoking common childhood schoolyard fights, or calling me a n****r or other derogatory racial names. I grew up in neighborhoods where blacks make up less than 1%. My first recollection of racism was in the first grade at Norwalk Christian elementary school in Norwalk, CA. A fellow student, Jim Armstrong if I can recall, called me a n****r on the playground. My response was swift and non-lethal. I struck him fast and hard with a punch an kick. He cried and reported it to a teacher. The teacher reported it to the principal. The principal swatted Jim for using a derogatory word toward me. He then for some unknown reason swatted me for striking Jim in response to him calling me a n****r. He stated as good Christians we are to turn the other cheek as Jesus did. Problem is, I’m not a f***ing Christian and that old book, made of fiction and limited non-fiction, called the bible, never once stated Jesus was called a n****r. How dare you swat me for standing up for my rights for demanding that I be treated as a equal human being. That day I made a life decision that i will not tolerate racial derogatory terms spoken to me. Unfortunately I was swatted multiple times for the same exact reason up until junior high. Terminating me for telling the truth of a caucasian officer kicking a mentally ill man is disgusting. Don’t ever call me a f***ing bully. I want all journalist to utilize every source you have that specializes in collections for your reports. With the discovery and evidence available you will see the truth. Unfortunately, I will not be alive to see my name cleared. That’s what this is about, my name. A man is nothing without his name. Below is a list of locations where I resided from childhood to adulthood.

Cerritos, CA.

Pico Rivera, CA.

La Palma, CA.

Thousand Oaks, CA.

Cedar City, UT.

Pensacola, FL.

Enid, OK.

Yorba Linda, CA.

Las Vegas, NV.

During the BOR an officer named, Sgt. Hernandez, from Los Angeles Port Police testified on behalf of the LAPD. Hernandez stated for the BOR that he arrived at the location of the UOF shortly before I cuffed the suspect. He also stated that he assisted in cuffing the suspect and that’s old the BOR he told me to fix my tie. All of those statements were LIES!!! Hernandez, you arrived at the UOF location up to 30 seconds after I had cuffed Mr. Gettler. All you did was help me lift the suspect to his feet as it was difficult for me to do by myself because of his heavy weight. You did not tell me to fix my tie as the BOR members and everyone else in the room know you lied because the photographic evidence from the UOF scene where Gettler’s injuries were photographed clearly shows me wearing a class B uniform on that day. A class B uniform is a short sleeved uniform blouse. A short sleeved uniform blouse for the LAPD does not have a tie included. This is not Super Troopers uniform, you jackass. Why did you feel the need to embellish and lie about your involvement in the UOF? Are you ashamed that you could not get hired on by any other department other than port police? Do you have delusions of grandeur? What you did was perjury, exactly what Evans did when she stated she did not kick Christopher Gettler.

What they failed to mention in the BOR was Teresa Evans own use of force history during her career on the LAPD. She has admitted that she has a lengthy use of force record and has been flagged several times by risk management. She has a very well known nickname, Chupacabra, which she was very proud to flaunt around the division. She found it very funny and entertaining to draw blood from suspects and arrestees. At one point she even intentionally ripped the flesh off the arm of a woman we had arrested for battery (sprayed her neighbor with a garden water hose). Knowing the woman had thin elastic skin, she performed and Indian burn to the woman’s arm after cuffing her. That woman was in her mid-70′s, a mother and grandmother, and was angry at her tenants who failed to pay rent on time. Something I can completely understand and I am sure many have wanted to do toward tenants who do not pay their rent. Teresa Evans was also demoted from a senior lead officer rank/position for performance issues. During my two months of working patrol with Teresa Evans, I found her as a woman who was very angry that she had been pulled from patrol for a short time because of a domestic violence report made by Long Beach Police Department because of an incident involving her active LAPD officer boyfriend, Dominick Fuentes, and herself. Dominick Fuentes is the same officer investigated for witness tampering. She also was visibly angry on a daily basis that she was going to have to file for bankruptcy because her ex-husband, a former LAPD officer and not Dominick Fuentes, who had left the department, state, and was nowhere to be found had left her with a tax bill and debt that she was unable to pay because of a lack of financial means. Evans, you are a POS and you lied right to the BOR panel when Randy Quan asked you if you kicked Christopher Gettler. You destroyed my life and name because of your actions. Time is up. The time is now to confess to Chief Beck.

I ask that all journalist investigating this story submit request for FOIA with the LAPD to gain access to the BOR transcripts which occurred from 10/08 to 2/09. There, you will see that a video was played for the BOR members of Mr. Christopher Gettler who suffers from Schizophrenia and Dementia stating that he was kicked by a female officer. That video evidence supports my claim that Evans kicked him twice in the upper body and once in the face. I would like all journalist to also request copies of all reports that I had written while employed by LAPD. Whether in the academy, or during my 3 years as a police officer. There are DR#’s attached to each report (investigative report) that I have ever written so they all exist. A FOIA request will most likely be needed to access these at Parker center or at the Personnel/Records. Judge my writin/grammar skills for yourself. The department attempted to paint me as an officer who could not write reports. Even though Sgt. Joel Sydanmaa a training officer who trained me stated for the BOR panel that there was nothing wrong with my report writing and that I was better than all rookie/probationer officers he has ever trained. Officer David Drew stated the same but refused to testify as he did not want to “get involved” with the BOR’s. Contact Sgt. Donald Deming ,(now a Captain at Lompoc PD), Sgt. Thaddeus Faulk, and Sgt. Ed Clark. All will state that my report writing was impeccable. I will tell you this, I always type my reports because I have messy handwriting/penmanship. I never had a single kickback/redlined report at Southwest division and Sgt. Faulk and Sgt. Clark can testify to that. I never received an UNSATISFACTORY on any day or week. The same can be said within the U.S. Naval Reserves. All commanders will state that my report writing was always clear, concise, and impeccable. Even search my AAR (after action reports),chits, Memorandum’s, IIR’s (Intelligence Information Reports) which were written in the Navy. All were pristine.

I had worked patrol at LAPD’s Harbor Division from 2/06 until 7/06 when I was involuntarily recalled back to active duty (US Navy) for a 12 month mobilization/deployment to Centcom in support of OIF/OEF. I returned back to LAPD’s Harbor division on 7/07 and immediately returned to patrol. I worked at Harbor division until 11/07 where I then transferred to Southwest Division. I worked At Southwest division until 6/25/08 when I was relieved of duty.

I have exhausted all available means at obtaining my name back. I have attempted all legal court efforts within appeals at the Superior Courts and California Appellate courts. This is my last resort. The LAPD has suppressed the truth and it has now lead to deadly consequences. The LAPD’s actions have cost me my law enforcement career that began on 2/7/05 and ended on 1/2/09. They cost me my Naval career which started on 4/02 and ends on 2/13. I had a TS/SCI clearance(Top Secret Sensitive Compartmentalized Information clearance) up until shortly after my termination with LAPD. This is the highest clearance a service member can attain other than a Yankee White TS/SCI which is only granted for those working with and around the President/Vice President of the United States. I lost my position as a Commanding Officer of a Naval Security Forces reserve unit at NAS Fallon because of the LAPD. I’ve lost a relationship with my mother and sister because of the LAPD. I’ve lost a relationship with close friends because of the LAPD. In essence, I’ve lost everything because the LAPD took my name and new I was INNOCENT!!! Capt Phil Tingirides, Justin Eisenberg, Martella, Randy Quan, and Sgt. Anderson all new I was innocent but decided to terminate me so they could continue Ofcr. Teresa Evans career. I know about the meeting between all of you where Evans attorney, Rico, confessed that she kicked Christopher Gettler (excessive force). Your day has come.

I’m not an aspiring rapper, I’m not a gang member, I’m not a dope dealer, I don’t have multiple babies momma’s. I am an American by choice, I am a son, I am a brother, I am a military service member, I am a man who has lost complete faith in the system, when the system betrayed, slandered, and libeled me. I lived a good life and though not a religious man I always stuck to my own personal code of ethics, ethos and always stuck to my shoreline and true North. I didn’t need the US Navy to instill Honor, Courage, and Commitment in me but I thank them for re-enforcing it. It’s in my DNA.

Luckily I don’t have to live everyday like most of you. Concerned if the misconduct you were apart of is going to be discovered. Looking over your shoulder, scurrying at every phone call from internal affairs or from the Captains office wondering if that is the day PSB comes after you for the suspects you struck when they were cuffed months/years ago or that $500 you pocketed from the narcotics dealer, or when the other guys on your watch beat a transient nearly to death and you never reported the UOF to the supervisor. No, I don’t have that concern, I stood up for what was right but unfortunately have dealt with the reprocussions of doing the right thing and now losing my name and everything I ever stood for. You f***ers knew Evans was guilty of kicking (excessive force) Gettler and you did nothing but get rid of what you saw as the problem, the whistleblower. Gettler himself stated on video tape ( provided for the BOR and in transcripts) he was kicked and even his father stated that his son said he was kicked by Evans when he was released from custody. The video was played for the entire BOR to hear. Tingirides, Eisenberg, and Martella all heard it. You’re going to see what a whistleblower can do when you take everything from him especially his NAME!!!

Look what you did to Sgt. Gavin (now lieutenant) when he exposed the truth of your lying, racism, and PSB cover-ups to frame and convict an innocent man. You can not police yourselves and the consent decree was unsuccessful. Sgt. Gavin, I met you on the range several times as a recruit and as an officer. You’re a good man and I saw it in your eyes an actions.

Self Preservation is no longer important to me. I do not fear death as I died long ago on 1/2/09. I was told by my mother that sometimes bad things happen to good people. I refuse to accept that.

From 2/05 to 1/09 I saw some of the most vile things humans can inflict on others as a police officer in Los Angeles. Unfortunately, it wasn’t in the streets of LA. It was in the confounds of LAPD police stations and shops (cruisers). The enemy combatants in LA are not the citizens and suspects, it’s the police officers.

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. How ironic that you utilize a fixed glass structure as your command HQ. You use as a luminous building to symbolize that you are transparent, have nothing to hide, or suppress when in essence, concealing, omitting, and obscuring is your forte.

Chief Beck, this is when you need to have that come to Jesus talk with Sgt. Teresa Evans and everyone else who was involved in the conspiracy to have me terminated for doing the right thing. you also need to speak with her attorney, Rico, and his conversation with the BOR members and her confession of guilt in kicking Mr. Gettler. I’ll be waiting for a PUBLIC response at a press conference. When the truth comes out, the killing stops.

Why didn’t you charge me with filing a false police report when I came forward stating that Evans kicked Mr. Christopher Gettler? You file criminal charges against every other officer who is accused and terminated for filing a false police report. You didn’t because you knew I was innocent and a criminal court would find me innocent and expose your department for suppressing the truth and retaliation, that’s why.

The attacks will stop when the department states the truth about my innocence, PUBLICLY!!! I will not accept any type of currency/goods in exchange for the attacks to stop, nor do i want it. I want my name back, period. There is no negotiation. I am not the state department who states they do not negotiate with terrorist, because anybody with a Secret or TS/SCI has seen IIR’s on SIPR and knows that the US state department always negotiates by using CF countries or independent sovereign/neutral country to mediate and compromising.

This department has not changed from the Daryl Gates and Mark Fuhrman days. Those officers are still employed and have all promoted to Command staff and supervisory positions. I will correct this error. Are you aware that an officer (a rookie/probationer at the time) seen on the Rodney King videotape striking Mr. King multiple times with a baton on 3/3/91 is still employed by the LAPD and is now a Captain on the police department? Captain Rolando Solano is now the commanding officer of a LAPD police station (West LA division). As a commanding officer, he is now responsible for over 200 officers. Do you trust him to enforce department policy and investigate use of force investigations on arrestees by his officers? Are you aware Evans has since promoted to Sergeant after kicking Mr. Gettler in the face. Oh, you Violated a citizens civil rights? We will promote you. Same as LAPD did with the the officers from Metro involved in the May Day melee at MacArthur Park. They promoted them to Sergeant (a supervisor role).

No one is saying you can’t be prejudiced or a bigot. We are all human and hold prejudices. If you state that you don’t have prejudices, your lying! But, when you act on it and victimize innocent citizens and fellow innocen officers, than that is a concern.

For you officers who do the job in the name of JUSTICE, those of you who lost honest officers to this event, look at the name of those on the BOR and the investigating officers from PSB and Evans and ask them, how come you couldn’t tell the truth? Why did you terminate an honest officer and cover for a dishonest officer who victimized a mentally ill citizen.

Sometimes humans feel a need to prove they are the dominant race of a species and they inadvertently take kindness for weakness from another individual. You chose wrong.

Terminating officers because they expose a culture of lying, racism (from the academy), and excessive use of force will immediately change. PSB can not police their own and that has been proven. The blue line will forever be severed and a cultural change will be implanted. You have awoken a sleeping giant.

I am here to change and make policy. The culture of LAPD versus the community and honest/good officers needs to and will change. I am here to correct and calibrate your morale compasses to true north.

Those Caucasian officers who join South Bureau divisions (77th,SW,SE, an Harbor) with the sole intent to victimize minorities who are uneducated, and unaware of criminal law, civil law, and civil rights. You prefer the South bureau because a use of force/deadly force is likely and the individual you use UOF on will likely not report it. You are a high value target.

Those Black officers in supervisory ranks and pay grades who stay in south bureau (even though you live in the valley or OC) for the sole intent of getting retribution toward subordinate caucasians officers for the pain and hostile work environment their elders inflicted on you as probationers (P-1′s) and novice P-2′s. You are a high value target. You perpetuated the cycle of racism in the department as well. You breed a new generation of bigoted caucasian officer when you belittle them and treat them unfairly.

Those Hispanic officers who victimize their own ethnicity because they are new immigrants to this country and are unaware of their civil rights. You call them wetbacks to their face and demean them in front of fellow officers of different ethnicities so that you will receive some sort of acceptance from your colleagues. I’m not impressed. Most likely, your parents or grandparents were immigrants at one time, but you have forgotten that. You are a high value target.

Those lesbian officers in supervising positions who go to work, day in day out, with the sole intent of attempting to prove your misandrist authority (not feminism) to degrade male officers. You are a high value target.

Those Asian officers who stand by and observe everything I previously mentioned other officers participate in on a daily basis but you say nothing, stand for nothing and protect nothing. Why? Because of your usual saying, ” I……don’t like conflict”. You are a high value target as well.

Those of you who “go along to get along” have no backbone and destroy the foundation of courage. You are the enablers of those who are guilty of misconduct. You are just as guilty as those who break the code of ethics and oath you swore.

Citizens/non-combatants, do not render medical aid to downed officers/enemy combatants. They would not do the same for you. They will let you bleed out just so they can brag to other officers that they had a 187 caper the other day and can’t wait to accrue the overtime in future court subpoenas. As they always say, “that’s the paramedics job…not mine”. Let the balance of loss of life take place. Sometimes a reset needs to occur.

It is endless the amount of times per week officers arrest an individual, label him a suspect-arrestee-defendant and then before arraignment or trial realize that he is innocent based on evidence. You know what they say when they realize an innocent man just had his life turned upside down?. “I guess he should have stayed at home that day he was discovered walking down the street and matching the suspects description. Oh well, he appeared to be a dirtbag anyways”. Meanwhile the falsely accused is left to pick up his life, get a new, family, friends, and sense of self worth.

Don’t honor these fallen officers/dirtbags. When your family members die, they just see you as extra overtime at a crime scene and at a perimeter. Why would you value their lives when they clearly don’t value yours or your family members lives? I’ve heard many officers who state they see dead victims as ATV’s, Waverunners, RV’s and new clothes for their kids. Why would you shed a tear for them when they in return crack a smile for your loss because of the impending extra money they will receive in their next paycheck for sitting at your loved ones crime scene of 6 hours because of the overtime they will accrue. They take photos of your loved ones recently deceased bodies with their cellphones and play a game of who has the most graphic dead body of the night with officers from other divisions. This isn’t just the 20 something year old officers, this is the 50 year old officers with significant time on the job as well who participate.

You allow an officer, Thaniya Sungruenyos, to attempt to hack into my credit union account and still remain on the job even when Det. Zolezzi shows the evidence that the IP address (provided by LAPFCU) that attempted to hack into my account and change my username and password leads directly to her residence. You even allow this visibly disgusting looking officer to stay on the job when she perjures (lies) in court (Clark County Family Court) to the judge’s face and denies hacking into my personal credit union online account when I attempted to get my restraint order extended. Det. Zolezzi provided the evidence and you still do nothing.

How do you know when a police officer is lying??? When he begins his sentence with, “based on my experience and training”.

No one grows up and wants to be a cop killer. It was against everything I’ve ever was. As a young police explorer I found my calling in life. But, As a young police officer I found that the violent suspects on the street are not the only people you have to watch. It is the officer who was hired on to the department (pre-2000) before polygraphs were standard for all new hires and an substantial vetting in a backround investigation.

To those children of the officers who are eradicated, your parent was not the individual you thought they were. As you get older,you will see the evidence that your parent was a tyrant who loss their ethos and instead followed the path of moral corruptness. They conspired to hide and suppress the truth of misconduct on others behalf’s. Your parent will have a name and plaque on the fallen officers memorial in D.C. But, In all honesty, your parents name will be a reminder to other officers to maintain the oath they swore and to stay along the shoreline that has guided them from childhood to that of a local, state, or federal law enforcement officer.

Bratton, Beck, Hayes, Tingirides, Eisenberg, Martella, Quan, Evans, Hernandez, Villanueva/Gallegos, and Anderson. Your lack of ethics and conspiring to wrong a just individual are over.

Suppressing the truth will leave to deadly consequences for you and your family. There will be an element of surprise where you work, live, eat, and sleep. I will utilize ISR at your home, workplace, and all locations in between. I will utilize OSINT to discover your residences, spouses workplaces, and children’s schools. IMINT to coordinate and plan attacks on your fixed locations. Its amazing whats on NIPR. HUMINT will be utilized to collect personal schedules of targets. I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I’m terminating yours. Quan, Anderson, Evans, and BOR members Look your wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead.

Never allow a LAPPL union attorney to be a retired LAPD Captain,(Quan). He doesn’t work for you, your interest, or your name. He works for the department, period. His job is to protect the department from civil lawsuits being filed and their best interest which is the almighty dollar. His loyalty is to the department, not his client. Even when he knowingly knows your innocent and the BOR also knows your innocent after Christopher Gettler stated on videotape that he was kicked and Evans attorney confessed to the BOR off the record that she kicked Gettler.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants-TJ. This quote is not directed toward the US government which I fully support 100%. This is toward the LAPD who can not monitor itself. The consent decree should not have been lifted, ever.

I know your TTP’s, (techniques, tactics, and procedures). Any threat assessments you you generate will be useless. This is simple, I know your TTP’s and PPR’s. I will mitigate any of your attempts at preservation. ORM is my friend. I will mitigate all risks, threats and hazards. I assure you that Incident Command Posts will be target rich environments. KMA-367 license plate frames are great target indicators and make target selection even easier.

I will conduct DA operations to destroy, exploit and seize designated targets. If unsuccessful or unable to meet objectives in these initial small scale offensive actions, I will reassess my BDA and re-attack until objectives are met. I have nothing to lose. My personal casualty means nothing. Just alike AAF’s, ACM’s, and AIF’s, you can not prevail against an enemy combatant who has no fear of death. An enemy who embraces death is a lose, lose situation for their enemy combatants.

Hopefully you analyst have done your homework. You are aware that I have always been the top shot, highest score, an expert in rifle qualifications in every unit I’ve been in. I will utilize every bit of small arms training, demolition, ordnance, and survival training I’ve been given.

There's a Page 2, but it just seems to be a list of celebrities without really adding anything relevant to his mindset.

[Dominus Atheos]

Picture of the shot-up (wrong) truck:



I guess the cops thought that if they fired enough bullets at the blue Honda, it would magically turn into the grey Nissan they were actually supposed to be looking for.

[Koolaidkirby]

And the police are already on edge. Shooting up two innocent people in the wrong vehicle? What the fuck is wrong with them? There is no fucking excuse for that. Those cops need to be charged for attempted murder.

especially when they did this http://i.imgur.com/dHkZjQx.jpg?1 to a pair of women delivering papers because they were driving around early in the morning with their headlights out throwing "unidentified objects" from their car at houses.

This guys a dead man, he's a cop killer and a whistle blower, no way they're gonna let him live.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Picture of the shot-up (wrong) truck:



I guess the cops thought that if they fired enough bullets at the blue Honda, it would magically turn into the grey Nissan they were actually supposed to be looking for.

Or they were shown this picture...

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/gallery?sect ... 94&photo=5

Doesn't look grey to me. Looks like a darker blue than the Toyota Tacoma in your picture. That being said those officers have a lot of explaining to do because I can't see anything through those rear windows and firing on a target without identifying it is not acceptable.

[Kamakazie Sith]

This guys a dead man, he's a cop killer and a whistle blower, no way they're gonna let him live.

Quite a few cop killers have been captured alive. It just depends on what happens. If Dorner gives them any trouble he'll likely be shot. I also object that his whistle blowing is a reason why he is going to end up dead. Regardless of whether he was telling the truth or not that matter was settled and he was found guilty by a review board. Though I will say I have a hard time believing an innocent person is going to murder their defense attorney because they were found guilty. Now a guilty person. Yeah, I can see that happening.

[Irbis]

Doesn't look grey to me. Looks like a darker blue than the Toyota Tacoma in your picture.

It's in shade. Look at the edges at the left, they do appear grey. Top and right reflect bridge overhead, mixing black with whatever colour the body is, making it hard to tell what colour it will be in sunlight.

What sickens me is that there are any people who consider what this guy is doing to be in any way good or productive. This kind of shit will just galvanize the police force and have them demanding even more powers to deal with a serial-killer wannabe.

"Any"?

Isn't that argument precisely the last straw NRA grasps at? "We NEED gunz so we can STOP agents of tyrannical government"? This is precisely how stopping such "agents" would look in real life, by murdering innocent people who are just doing their job. Oh, I guess there is the other NRA straw, "to stop EVUL man with gun you need GOOD man with gun", but it never worked, not in this case, nor pretty much any other one.

You know, I sort of feel sorry for US Police. They need to walk armoured like US Marines in Iraq, constantly on edge because everyone might pull a gun and shot them in the back the moment they're distracted. That drunk/drugged guy that would be harmless in normal country? Pray he doesn't carry concealed. Police stations turned into forts, whole communities locked and trembling once the suspect could be remotely present in the area. Why is that in any way desirable turn of events, anyone?

Eh, I won't judge either his supposed "reasons" before we know more, I'll just say parts of the world where police aren't constantly on knife edge don't form such ironclad blue walls, nor can madmen terrorize tens of thousands by their mere presence. But I guess that's the price we pay for living in the oppressed, rights-less, authoritarian states with safe streets, barely armed, unarmored police forces and multiple pluralistic parties face-grabbing regimes.

[Simon_Jester]

Guns were just as legal fifty years ago, when police did not walk around armored and were not stuck in a war mentality.

I don't think guns are the problem. It's common sense- separate out the variables that haven't changed, and you can be pretty sure the problem was caused by one of the variables that DID change.

*I know armor isn't the only thing you're talking about- just shorthand here.

[Lonestar]

Quite a few cop killers have been captured alive. It just depends on what happens. If Dorner gives them any trouble he'll likely be shot.

Considering that the LAPD seem so set on bringing him dead they are blowing away little old asian ladies who are driving a different make, model, and color of pickup truck that he had because WHO COULD POSSIBLY BE SLOWING DOWN IN FRONT OF HOUSES IN SUBURBIA EARLY IN THE MORNING IF NOT A KILLER I'm sure that the LAPD are going to report that "he gave them trouble".

I also object that his whistle blowing is a reason why he is going to end up dead. Regardless of whether he was telling the truth or not that matter was settled and he was found guilty by a review board. Though I will say I have a hard time believing an innocent person is going to murder their defense attorney because they were found guilty.

Wasn't the defense attorney the daughter of a LAPD Captain? Yeah, no conflict of interest there.

Now a guilty person. Yeah, I can see that happening.

A person frustrated to tears? Yeah, I can see that happening.

I am NOT condoning his actions. I am saying that the LAPD seem dead set to prove his point with their own actions, and, well, I've yet to see a photo of him looking even vaguely like a creeper/asshole. You'd think someone could drag up at least one photo of him giving off Adam Lanza vibes.

[Lonestar]

Guns were just as legal fifty years ago, when police did not walk around armored and were not stuck in a war mentality.

Heck, 50 years ago you could order a gun in a catalog and have it delivered directly to your doorstop. Firearm access has gotten more restricted, not less, in the intervening half century.

[Agent Fisher]

Quite a few cop killers have been captured alive. It just depends on what happens. If Dorner gives them any trouble he'll likely be shot.

Considering that the LAPD seem so set on bringing him dead they are blowing away little old asian ladies who are driving a different make, model, and color of pickup truck that he had because WHO COULD POSSIBLY BE SLOWING DOWN IN FRONT OF HOUSES IN SUBURBIA EARLY IN THE MORNING IF NOT A KILLER I'm sure that the LAPD are going to report that "he gave them trouble".

That was Riverside PD, not LAPD. The department that had already had one Officer killed and another wounded, I believe in the same incident when they were ambushed. And as for the truck, well, it was on a dark street and blacked out. Now, that only explains why they might have thought it was the subject vehicle. Still crazy that they opened fire first though.

[Lonestar]

That was Riverside PD, not LAPD. The department that had already had one Officer killed and another wounded, I believe in the same incident when they were ambushed. And as for the truck, well, it was on a dark street and blacked out. Now, that only explains why they might have thought it was the subject vehicle. Still crazy that they opened fire first though.

I thought Riverside shot the Other truck that they thought was him?

[Stark]

Only in America can you be murdered by police for having road-legal tinting on the wrong day. Did they even announce themselves? Why bother trying to excuse things like this? How much required procedure is being ignored because the police are afraid?

[Agent Fisher]

Quite a few cop killers have been captured alive. It just depends on what happens. If Dorner gives them any trouble he'll likely be shot.

Considering that the LAPD seem so set on bringing him dead they are blowing away little old asian ladies who are driving a different make, model, and color of pickup truck that he had because WHO COULD POSSIBLY BE SLOWING DOWN IN FRONT OF HOUSES IN SUBURBIA EARLY IN THE MORNING IF NOT A KILLER I'm sure that the LAPD are going to report that "he gave them trouble".

That was Riverside PD, not LAPD. The department that had already had one Officer killed and another wounded, I believe in the same incident when they were ambushed. And as for the truck, well, it was on a dark street and blacked out. Now, that only explains why they might have thought it was the subject vehicle. Still crazy that they opened fire first though.

Missed the EDIT window.

So, I was wrong. Apparently, that truck shooting took place in Torrance, which has it's own PD. Ok, did a little digging, turns out it was LAPD that shot up the truck. It was officers on a protective detail at the home of a LAPD offical named in Dorner's hit list. Saw a truck that could match the description of the subject's vehicle, rolling blacked out in the area they were guarding. And like I said, if the area had poor lighting or a harsh yellow street lighting, could easily explain the mistaken color.

LAPD did report they exchanged gunfire with someone at one of their roadblocks, and they're also claiming the other truck shooting with no injuries.

What is clear is the various PDs and SDs in the area are on super high alert. I've seen video of LASD deputies appearing to do a foot patrol, armed with mini-14s and shotguns checking a truck they saw on the intersection.

[Broomstick]

And the police are already on edge. Shooting up two innocent people in the wrong vehicle? What the fuck is wrong with them? There is no fucking excuse for that. Those cops need to be charged for attempted murder.

especially when they did this http://i.imgur.com/dHkZjQx.jpg?1 to a pair of women delivering papers because they were driving around early in the morning with their headlights out throwing "unidentified objects" from their car at houses.

Assuming the shooting was at or just before dawn, identifying the color of a vehicle precisely could have been a problem. That has to do with the biology/physics of how human eyesight works. Under low light conditions "grey" and "blue" can become indistinguishable. The photo posted is in full daylight which makes the misidentification look stupid, but if different lighting was in effect at the time of the shooting the mistake might not seem so excessively idiotic. Last I heard, driving around in the dark with your headlights off was illegal, so it may have added to the suspicion of the already keyed-up and nervous officers involved.

Despite that - there is no excuse for opening fire without positive identification of the target(s). I am merely offering some potential factors that made such an incident more likely to happen than, say, at high noon with excellent visibility.

I also expect the two women who were shot will be suing the LAPD whichever jurisdiction is responsible over the matter.

[Broomstick]

Guns were just as legal fifty years ago, when police did not walk around armored and were not stuck in a war mentality.

Heck, 50 years ago you could order a gun in a catalog and have it delivered directly to your doorstop. Firearm access has gotten more restricted, not less, in the intervening half century.

And during the 20's and 30's fully automatic weapons were legal and routinely carried and used by such notables as John Dillinger, Pretty Boy Floyd, Baby Face Nelson, and all the rest. My great-uncle Morry was killed by a machine gun just a couple blocks from his home back in those days - although likely no one outside of the family heard about it, because we didn't have TV back then or the whole vast media apparatus to give us an up-front view in real time. Maybe a line in the paper or a brief mention on the radio, but his murder was just one of many that year in St. Louis.

I don't think things have changed all that much in the past 90 years... well, the bad guys aren't using Tommy guns on a daily basis anymore, which I suppose goes to show you can eliminate some types of weapons from the playing field if you really want to do it.

[Sea Skimmer]

Heck, 50 years ago you could order a gun in a catalog and have it delivered directly to your doorstop. Firearm access has gotten more restricted, not less, in the intervening half century.

You could also carry a rifle on a city bus, as a minor no less, and nobody cared as long as you handled it safely.

[Losonti Tokash]

2 Innocent Women Shot During Manhunt For
Ex-Cop Chris Dorner Had ‘No Warning’

The two women who were mistakenly shot by
LAPD officers searching for triple murder
suspect Christopher Dorner Thursday said they
had no warning, according to the victims’
lawyer.

Attorney Glen Jonas said Maggie Carranza, 47,
and her mother, 71-year-old Emma Hernandez,
were delivering Los Angeles Times newspapers
around 5:15 a.m. in Torrance when the officers
opened fire.

Jonas said, “There was no warning. There were
no orders. No commands. Just gunshots.”

The patrol unit was reportedly assigned to
protect the home of a high-ranking LAPD officer
during the manhunt for Dorner, who is believed
to have killed a Riverside cop Thursday and an
Irvine couple Sunday.

In a news conference, LAPD Chief Charlie Beck
said the officers thought the women’s royal blue
Toyota Tacoma matched the description of
Dorner’s dark-colored Nissan pickup truck.

“Tragically, we believe this was a case of
mistaken identity by the officers,” said Beck.

Jonas finds that hard to believe.

“The vehicle is a different color. The license
plate doesn’t match. There’s nothing there for
you to start shooting people. And even if they
had the person in question… Mr. Dorner…you
still have to give them an opportunity to get out.
You can’t just start administering street justice,”
said Jonas.

Carranza suffered minor injuries to her hand
from shattering glass.

Hernandez, who was shot in the back, is in ICU
at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center.

KCAL9’s Jeff Nguyen said she was listed in
good condition.

[Mr. Coffee]

[Kamakazie Sith]

Considering that the LAPD seem so set on bringing him dead they are blowing away little old asian ladies who are driving a different make, model, and color of pickup truck that he had because WHO COULD POSSIBLY BE SLOWING DOWN IN FRONT OF HOUSES IN SUBURBIA EARLY IN THE MORNING IF NOT A KILLER I'm sure that the LAPD are going to report that "he gave them trouble".

In all probability he will give them more than just some trouble. He's already fired upon several officers and murdered three people. It's obvious where this is going to go unless they are able to surprise him. You aren't wrong though. Tensions are high. I was just pointing out that cop killers have been taken alive before so you can't say "No way they'll let him live".

Wasn't the defense attorney the daughter of a LAPD Captain? Yeah, no conflict of interest there.

Yes, a former captain. Though I was mistaken. The defense attorney was the former captain. His daughter was just a second year assistance basketball coach. Though even if she his attorney that would mean Dorner picked her because like everyone else he gets to choose his attorney. You're grasping at straws here and I'm not sure why.

A person frustrated to tears? Yeah, I can see that happening.

Really? Perhaps you should be evaluated by a mental health professional. That's fucking ridiculous, Lonestar. "Oh, I've been wrongly fired from my job and I've appealed it and they still sustained the termination. Time to kill everyone involved and their families." Do you even hear what you're saying?

As for frustrated to tears. Please. He's just fucking crazy. Did you even read his manifesto? Do you know any of the details behind why he was fired. I will tell you. Dorner filed a complaint against his Sgt which was shown to be not only wrong but false by three independent witnesses.

I am NOT condoning his actions. I am saying that the LAPD seem dead set to prove his point with their own actions, and, well, I've yet to see a photo of him looking even vaguely like a creeper/asshole. You'd think someone could drag up at least one photo of him giving off Adam Lanza vibes.

No, you're just making some insane excuses for his actions. Frustration and conflict of interest do not even begin to come close to understandable reasons to start killing the involved people, their families, and then others for simply wearing the same uniform.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Only in America can you be murdered by police for having road-legal tinting on the wrong day. Did they even announce themselves? Why bother trying to excuse things like this? How much required procedure is being ignored because the police are afraid?

I didn't see anyone trying to excuse this. I see people gathering all the information for a complete picture to figure out what happened and why it happened. Doing so doesn't excuse the unacceptable and criminal behavior on part of those officers. Especially, if there was no warning. That's insane.

[Dominarch's Hope]

Given the well-known corrupt shittiness of the LAPD, anyone else think that something like this, blue on blue killings, was just a matter of time?


I do and have. I always thought it was inevitable that a police officer would snap at the conditions and culture of the LAPD or maybe Chicago PD.

Two things. I thought it would be an in-station massacre, and that the assailant would be Caucasian. Like a Post Office shooting. Because media stereotypes. No offense meant.

This is a fucking tragedy. And unsuprisingly, but still very dissapointingly, the LAPD is gunning down innocent people. They keep it up at this rate, and theyll be responsible for more bystander/non LEO casaulties than Mr. Dorner.


EDIT:Changed killings to casualties.


Which is is the main reason I hope this gets resolved quickly. To minimize the collateral that LAPD is responsible for. Am I alone in this?