Fired Cop On a Murderous Rampage in SoCal

[Dominarch's Hope]

There are rumors of his wallet having been found and reported in two other locations. 1 at a boat pier and another on a bus.

[Haruko]

Earlier I linked to a page by San Bernardino County Sun newspaper with an audio recording of police seemingly planning to burn down the building the suspect supposedly barricaded himself in. Well, here is a related accompanying piece for a segment aired today by Democracy Now!:

California Authorities Deny Intentionally Setting Fire at Cabin Where Fugitive Dorner Was Hiding

Authorities in California are denying they intentionally set a fire that consumed the cabin where fugitive former police officer Christopher Dorner was believed to be hiding. Dorner is suspected of killing three people in a campaign of terror against the Los Angeles Police Department, which he accused of racism and corruption. A sheriff’s deputy was also killed in a shootout at the cabin. Remains recovered from the burnt-out site have yet to be officially identified. And questions remain over how the fire got started. An audio recording from a police scanner appears to show officials from the San Bernardino Sheriff’s Department planning to deploy "burners."

Male voice: "All right, Steve, we’re going to go — we’re going to go forward with the plan, with — with the burn [or burner].

Male voice: "We want it, uh, like we talked about."

Male voice: "Seven burners deployed, and we have a fire."

Female voice: "Copy. Seven burners deployed, and we have a fire."

At a news conference Wednesday, San Bernardino Sheriff John McMahon said the term "burners" refers to pyrotechnic-style tear gas canisters. He denied the fire was intentional.

John McMahon: "I can tell you that it was not on purpose. We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out. The tear gas canisters that we used — first off, we used a presence when we showed up. Secondly, we used a cold tear gas. Then we used — the next tear gas was that that was pyrotechnic, does generate a lot of heat. We introduced those canisters into the residence, and a fire erupted."

Authorities said Dorner’s wallet and driver’s license were found at the scene.

[Haruko]

By the way, for those of you still wondering:

Christopher Dorner confirmed dead, says San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department

Los Angeles News Group
Posted: 02/14/2013 03:54:23 PM PST

Charred human remains found inside a burned cabin on Tuesday in Barton Flats have been positively identified as 33-year-old Chrisptopher Dorner.
A dental examination led to the confirmation, San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department officials announced this afternoon following an autopsy.

Dorner, a former Los Angeles Police Department officer, was suspected of killing two people in Irvine on Feb. 3, a Riverside police officer on Feb. 7 and sheriff's Deputy Jeremiah MacKay in Barton Flats shootout on Tuesday.

Two other law enforcement personnel were injured in the Riverside and the Barton Flats shootings.

Dorner, who was fired from the LAPD in 2009, was suspected to have gone on the rampage in a revenge plot against law enforcement.

The confirmation that Dorner was in the cabin was made by sheriff's officials about 2 p.m.

[Formless]

Man, its funny just how easy it is to misdirect people's attention from the obvious. The cops call their tear gas canisters "burners" because they are pyrotechnic in nature. Okay, plausible. Step two: deny that it was intentional.

What they aren't saying: "Yes, we acknowledge that throwing pyrotechnic gas grenades into a log cabin is reckless and stupid, as our officers should very well know BECAUSE THEY CALL THEM BURNERS."

[Ritterin Sophia]

Then maybe we should stop hiring people who literally view their home soil the same way they view an occupied country? Because if anything, this makes their attitudes look more horrible, not less.

That's not fair, one of the vets on SB who was in Iraq and A-Stan decided to ask a forum of police about the egregious actions of LEO, this was what he got: Link

[weemadando]

From The Age

Radio activity emerged that featured an officer ordering colleagues to ''burn it [the cabin] down'' and a voice saying: ''We're gonna go forward with the plan, with the burn.'' One officer was heard saying: ''Seven burners deployed and we have a fire. We have fire in the front. He might come out the back.'' ''Burners'' is a term sometimes used by police to refer to tear-gas canisters.

A television station also broadcast what appeared to be an officer at the scene saying: ''We're going to burn him out,'' and ''burn that ------- house down''.

Clearly no accountability issues or questions to be answered here.

[Formless]

@General Schatten: Is he representative, though? Or are the various officers in the thread more representative, and if so how many of them are also veterans?

The first thing he comes out and says is that he is a paramedic, and likewise that that was his role in the military. As someone whose job it is to tend to wounded, it very well may be that he has a mindset more in tune with damage control rather than engaging "enemies," and that he would be more sensitive to the plight of victims. I'm not trying to say that all soldiers have a confrontational mindset, but in general its not unexpected that after serving in an occupied country fighting insurgents that that becomes the normal way of seeing similar jobs like law enforcement. Even when its not appropriate.

Besides, Blue Wall and all that. The guy isn't a cop, and he came into a forum for cops. What else do you expect? Even if it wasn't a forum for cops, forums do have this marvelous tendency to be reactionary towards newcomers. Even this one does it more often than we would like to admit.

[Ritterin Sophia]

As someone whose job it is to tend to wounded, it very well may be that he has a mindset more in tune with damage control rather than engaging "enemies," and that he would be more sensitive to the plight of victims.

Wow, you don't understand how combat medics work at all, do you?

[Formless]

Have I ever claimed to be part of a military?

Is the Pope Mormon?

Instead of being a jackass, please explain why this is relevant information.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Have I ever claimed to be part of a military?

Is the Pope Mormon?

Instead of being a jackass, please explain why this is relevant information.

I would've assumed you were smart enough to realize that militaries don't send out combat medics by the platoon-full to guard checkpoints, apparently I overestimated your intelligence. 68W typically operate in one of two ways, in a clinic or attached at various levels of a unit, typically starting out at the platoon level, their job is too important to have them sitting around in huge groups doing something other than medicine. If he's talking about checkpoint or patrol procedures it's the procedures of the infantry, armor, or whatever unit he was a part of.

[Losonti Tokash]

I know it's Formless, but I wasn't super clear on what you were getting at either. I think he's talking about the weird sort of perspective EMTs can have toward cops since we work together quite a bit but our jobs also conflict sometimes and have different priorities.

[Formless]

And I would have assumed that someone who has never served in a military, has never claimed to be one, and has in fact just denied that he has ever served in a military would know exactly as much as he claims about how the minutia of military service. And by the way, I never claimed ANYTHING about how the army operates or uses their medics, so nice way to put words into my mouth, jackass.

Now, are you going to explain how any of this crap is relevant to the fact that you are trying to claim that one soldier, medic or not, is representative of how every soldier thinks after coming back from an occupied country? Especially when said soldier is CURRENTLY a paramedic, and thus has relevant training and experience POST service. Or am I just so offensive to your sense of smug that it doesn't matter to you that I had a point from the very beginning when I reamed Mr. Bean out for making an argument against his own position?

I know it's Formless, but I wasn't super clear on what you were getting at either. I think he's talking about the weird sort of perspective EMTs can have toward cops since we work together quite a bit but our jobs also conflict sometimes and have different priorities.

That, yes. I wouldn't expect a paramedic to think about the police and their attitudes the same way someone else would, regardless of military service. And on top of that, being a combat medic in a warzone prior to that experience would seem to me to reinforce that mindset, not weaken it.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Now, are you going to explain how any of this crap is relevant to the fact that you are trying to claim that one soldier, medic or not, is representative of how every soldier thinks after coming back from an occupied country?

I'm not, you're the one claiming he thinks a specific way when all he's saying is "This is SOP, don't blow away civies without proper identification of your target." He's not talking about how soldiers think, he's talking about the rules and regulations that Soldiers operate under, if you were a Soldier and you pulled a stunt like what the LAPD did in their search for Dorner you would be court martialed so god damn fast that your head wouldn't stop spinning until six months after you'd been at Leavenworth.

[Ziggy Stardust]

Any updates on those asshole cops that shot up the two Hispanic women delivering newspapers?

I mean, I know American cops like to play cowboy, but that whole incident seems pretty ridiculous even by these standards. I mean, seven LAPD officers opened fire indiscriminately, without any warning, at a car that in no way, shape, or form resembled the car they suspected Dorner of driving, carrying two civilians who don't in any way shape, or form resemble Dorner. We know police go batshit over cop-killers anyway, but these guys are seriously some sick and stupid fucks. The "burn the fucker" recordings certainly don't help.

[RogueIce]

Because clearly, posting some snarky bullshit about TEH EVIL POLICE is so much easier than doing a basic Google search, right?

I mean I didn't even have to finish typing in "LAPD shooting" and I got a story on it.

But since I did put in the effort that was obviously too difficult for you to perform, here's a link:

LAPD officers who shot at newspaper carriers in Torrance during Dorner manhunt to remain off of field duty

I'll let you click the link and read it, though. You can manage that much, right?

[Ziggy Stardust]

You can take your sanctimonious attitude and shove it up your ass, you miserable little fuck-wit. That article literally contains no new information, just that the investigation is ongoing and the officers are off field duty, which we've known for a while now. I asked because, you know, some people might have some information or insights garnered from local sources or news outlets not readily accessible, as has happened SEVERAL times in this thread already.

But, hey, its fun to be a pompous shit-head, too. Fuck off.

(EDIT: Also, I hope you feel wonderfully smug about hand-waiving my post as just "TEH EVIL POLICE" instead of actually saying anything substantive)

[Block]

You can take your sanctimonious attitude and shove it up your ass, you miserable little fuck-wit. That article literally contains no new information, just that the investigation is ongoing and the officers are off field duty, which we've known for a while now. I asked because, you know, some people might have some information or insights garnered from local sources or news outlets not readily accessible, as has happened SEVERAL times in this thread already.

But, hey, its fun to be a pompous shit-head, too. Fuck off.

(EDIT: Also, I hope you feel wonderfully smug about hand-waiving my post as just "TEH EVIL POLICE" instead of actually saying anything substantive)

Try phrasing it as an actual request for information then Ziggy. It was a legitimate question that you drowned in pointless vitriol.

[K. A. Pital]

He said "any updates on those cops", and since that's like the end of the thread, updates do not mean stuff which has already been mentioned or discussed in the thread. Okay?