ROTJ and Ewoks

[Master of Ossus]

So if you were to fire a .44 round at the armor at point blank, it would bounce right off?

No. The bullet would fragment upon striking the armor, but would be unable to force its way through. The stormtrooper would almost certainly be injured just from the concussive force of the impact, but would quickly regain his senses.

[Joe]

So if you were to fire a .44 round at the armor at point blank, it would bounce right off?

No. The bullet would fragment upon striking the armor, but would be unable to force its way through. The stormtrooper would almost certainly be injured just from the concussive force of the impact, but would quickly regain his senses.

Impressive. How about, say, a gatling gun? The concussive force would likely be enough to knock down the stormie, but would the armor experience any wear and tear?

[Slartibartfast]

Maybe from material fatigue. How about the strongest bullet in existence from a sniper rifle?

Hm, I think any answer to this is just speculation, but even if it can scratch the armor I think it wouldn't penetrate it, otherwise they would be using super-powered bullets - weapon tech in SW should be able to make a bullet far more powerful than current ones.

[Darth Garden Gnome]

Well considering the robotic arm-spear-armor-pain thing from YJK, I'd bet they could take one fast moving bullet without dying. Probably black out in a similar fashion, but live to fight another day.

And apparently in Tatooine Ghost there are a bunch of parst where Tusken's bullets bounce off of stormie armor or something.

[Master of Ossus]

So if you were to fire a .44 round at the armor at point blank, it would bounce right off?

No. The bullet would fragment upon striking the armor, but would be unable to force its way through. The stormtrooper would almost certainly be injured just from the concussive force of the impact, but would quickly regain his senses.

Impressive. How about, say, a gatling gun? The concussive force would likely be enough to knock down the stormie, but would the armor experience any wear and tear?

Modern gatling guns? Like the ones on aircraft? Of course the armor would show wear and tear. Such weapons might even punch through the armor. The only event we really have which describes ST armor's ability to withstand impacts comes from Lightsabers. In it, we get some idea of the strength of such armor from analysis of the concussive force involved in an impact that threw a young man across a room. The armor was described as being nicked by the impact, with a spear. The concussive force of such a modern depleted uranium round would obviously kill the soldier, but it is unclear whether or not it would be sufficient to punch through his shell. I would guess that it would be sufficient, but stormtrooper armor would even offer survivability against .50 caliber weapons--necessitating anti-tank weapons to reliably kill individual troops.

[Master of Ossus]

Maybe from material fatigue. How about the strongest bullet in existence from a sniper rifle?

There are some anti-tank rifles that fire steel bullets, but the depleted uranium rounds featured in most modern weapons would probably be able to punch through (and even if they didn't, the wearer would be dead, anyway). There's just one problem with that: I don't know of any rifles that fire such ammunition. I think they are only used in aircraft and tank weapons.

[/quote]Hm, I think any answer to this is just speculation, but even if it can scratch the armor I think it wouldn't penetrate it, otherwise they would be using super-powered bullets - weapon tech in SW should be able to make a bullet far more powerful than current ones. [/quote]

Well, maybe. There are limits as to how much KE a bullet can have, before it starts to injure the person firing it. Early firearms sometimes had the unfortunate habit of breaking the user's collar bone, and such would be occuring in SW weapons also. The main advantage that SW bullets would have would be their hardness. Since the ammunition we use today has nowhere NEAR the materials strength of stormtrooper armor, the rounds would fragment and absorb most of the energy of the impact themselves. With a SW weapon, I suppose it would be possible to design the thing to be able to transfer considerable amounts of the energy into the stormtrooper, without having the bullet shatter upon impact. That would present an advantage in both penetration and (more importantly) collision mechanics, and would result in a much better method of killing stormies.

[Boba Fett]

Maybe from material fatigue. How about the strongest bullet in existence from a sniper rifle?

There are some anti-tank rifles that fire steel bullets, but the depleted uranium rounds featured in most modern weapons would probably be able to punch through (and even if they didn't, the wearer would be dead, anyway). There's just one problem with that: I don't know of any rifles that fire such ammunition. I think they are only used in aircraft and tank weapons.

For an example we -Hungarians- designed one such sniper rifle for anti-terrorist actions a couple of years ago. It's called the "Gepard".
I don't know it's exact specification but I'm sure it's listed somewhere.

[Darth Wong]

Maybe from material fatigue. How about the strongest bullet in existence from a sniper rifle?

Fatigue is an entirely different concept than what you're thinking of.

Hm, I think any answer to this is just speculation, but even if it can scratch the armor I think it wouldn't penetrate it, otherwise they would be using super-powered bullets - weapon tech in SW should be able to make a bullet far more powerful than current ones.

You would still have the recoil problem. A light blaster handgun can kill a stormie with a direct hit, so if you need a high-powered projectile weapon to do the same job, the blaster sounds like a better idea all the time. Also, the blaster's lack of gravity drop makes it easier to aim over multi-km ranges, such as those we saw at Geonosis and Hoth.

[His Divine Shadow]

I know, I know, some will argue that arrow merely pierced bodysuit area

well jesus fucking duh, there's a big space of no armor just where it impacted.

[vakundok]

For an example we -Hungarians- designed one such sniper rifle for anti-terrorist actions a couple of years ago. It's called the "Gepard".
I don't know it's exact specification but I'm sure it's listed somewhere.

I do not know it exactly either, but as I know it is 12.7 mm, has two different version and capable to penetrate the armor of the BMP1 APC.

[Admiral Johnason]

Does anyone know the exact tollerances for stormie armor?

[Slartibartfast]

The main advantage that SW bullets would have would be their hardness. Since the ammunition we use today has nowhere NEAR the materials strength of stormtrooper armor, the rounds would fragment and absorb most of the energy of the impact themselves. With a SW weapon, I suppose it would be possible to design the thing to be able to transfer considerable amounts of the energy into the stormtrooper, without having the bullet shatter upon impact. That would present an advantage in both penetration and (more importantly) collision mechanics, and would result in a much better method of killing stormies.

Well, if they can make the armor, I think it's fairly safe to assume that they can make the bullets

[Slartibartfast]

Maybe from material fatigue. How about the strongest bullet in existence from a sniper rifle?

Fatigue is an entirely different concept than what you're thinking of.

With fatigue I meant receiving dozens of hard bullets per second until the material gives up. Then I propòsed using the biggest and most powerful (that might not penetrate) round with a gatling or so, for the same purpose.

Sorry about the mess. I think (?) that is what fatigue means?