Boston Terror Attacks

[Lagmonster]

This will sound trite, but I'm actually serious, because I don't know that much about American politics and/or the War on Terror. What are the odds he'd wind up at Guantanamo, being a terrorist with foreign contacts and all?

[Broomstick]

As the armored vehicles, cops, and SWAT rolled away from the scene to the cheering crowds one of the SWAT guys got on a loudspeaker and said "Thank you, thank you, it was a pleasure."

I think we've moved from "relieved" to "giddy".

[The Duchess of Zeon]

This will sound trite, but I'm actually serious, because I don't know that much about American politics and/or the War on Terror. What are the odds he'd wind up at Guantanamo, being a terrorist with foreign contacts and all?

Some extremely rightwing Republicans will call for it--Lindsey Graham already has, but there's no chance in hell.

[Broomstick]

On the other hand, he's an American citizen arrested on American soil... little bit different from the Gitmo residents.

[Alyeska]

This will sound trite, but I'm actually serious, because I don't know that much about American politics and/or the War on Terror. What are the odds he'd wind up at Guantanamo, being a terrorist with foreign contacts and all?

It is my understanding that no person arrested on American soil ended up in Gitmo. Gitmo was an attempt to get around the US judicial system when dealing with potential terror suspects acquired over seas. That failed miserably and now its a political nightmare for everyone. But for someone arrested on American soil? No fucking way. They will be processed and dealt with via traditional legal means.

[fgalkin]

And, it looks like a friend of mine was the former landlord of the bombers and spent the day grilled by the Feds.

In other news, one of the bombers' sisters lives in my town. The FBI only found out when she gave an interview to the local paper.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[ChaserGrey]

Glad they got the guy alive. I'd rather see him tried than dead, and I admit part of me really, really wants to know what this was all about.

[Captain Seafort]

Glad they got the guy alive. I'd rather see him tried than dead

You might still be disappointed, given that he's apparently seriously injured.

[Dr Roberts]

So far it looks like the dead one was the extremist in...something and he roped his younger brother in to it somehow and the younger one probably built the explosives.

[Flagg]

So far it looks like the dead one was the extremist in...something and he roped his younger brother in to it somehow and the younger one probably built the explosives.

What makes you think the kid build the explosives? The older brother left the country for 6 months and I assumed he learned bomb making in that time.

[Broomstick]

Glad they got the guy alive. I'd rather see him tried than dead

You might still be disappointed, given that he's apparently seriously injured.

He's young, healthy, and in the clutches of the US health care system. In his case no expense will be spared to keep him alive. Assuming he makes it through the initial couple of days he'll most likely survive. Last night he was described as in "serious but stable" condition so he's hurt bad but will probably make it.

[weemadando]

Sounding now like he in fact hasn't been Mirandized and they're explicitly referencing rights exemptions relating to terrorism. Way to show them that freedom is strong.

[gigabytelord]

Sounding now like he in fact hasn't been Mirandized and they're explicitly referencing rights exemptions relating to terrorism. Way to show them that freedom is strong.

Got a source? Because I've been hearing the opposite.

Then again conflicting messages has been a big issue this entire process.

[Col. Crackpot]

Sounding now like he in fact hasn't been Mirandized and they're explicitly referencing rights exemptions relating to terrorism. Way to show them that freedom is strong.

According to ABC news (US not Aus) he was "unresponsive". How does one mirandize someone who is out cold?

[Civil War Man]

Sounding now like he in fact hasn't been Mirandized and they're explicitly referencing rights exemptions relating to terrorism. Way to show them that freedom is strong.

Got a source? Because I've been hearing the opposite.

Then again conflicting messages has been a big issue this entire process.

From what I heard on NBC, there is a time period where they are allowed to interrogate a terrorism suspect without Mirandizing them for the purpose of figuring out whether there are any other bombs in the area, but after they get that out of the way they need to read him his rights.

Also what Crackpot said.

[Col. Crackpot]

Sounding now like he in fact hasn't been Mirandized and they're explicitly referencing rights exemptions relating to terrorism. Way to show them that freedom is strong.

Got a source? Because I've been hearing the opposite.

Then again conflicting messages has been a big issue this entire process.

From what I heard on NBC, there is a time period where they are allowed to interrogate a terrorism suspect without Mirandizing them for the purpose of figuring out whether there are any other bombs in the area, but after they get that out of the way they need to read him his rights.

Also what Crackpot said.

I think that is true in kidnapping situation as well. IIRC The exemption applies only when there is grave and immidiate risk to the lives of others.

[Flagg]

Sounding now like he in fact hasn't been Mirandized and they're explicitly referencing rights exemptions relating to terrorism. Way to show them that freedom is strong.

According to ABC news (US not Aus) he was "unresponsive". How does one mirandize someone who is out cold?

Don't be dishonest, dude. You know damned well they have specifically said that they weren't mirandizing him under the "public safety" exemption. Which is from the 80s not post 9/11.

[weemadando]

OK, interesting exemption.

[Kamakazie Sith]

OK, interesting exemption.

It is consistent with case law. Basically, civil rights are very important but life is more important than those rights. It's why you can't shout fire in a crowded theater, sacrifice people for religious reasons, or expect due process when you are killing others. Each of those imposes limits on civil rights

In this particular case it is reasonable to believe that other unexploded devices may exist and to protect life he will not be reminded of his civil rights. Now questions not related to active devices should not be asked.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

Yeah, I won't be crying, either. Not after what he and his brother did.

With his brother dead at least he'll have some idea of what he put people through (news agencies over here are putting more emphasis on the 8-year-old kid who was killed than the other fatalities). Is there any word on what kind of boat he was found in?

[The Yosemite Bear]

Sounding now like he in fact hasn't been Mirandized and they're explicitly referencing rights exemptions relating to terrorism. Way to show them that freedom is strong.

Got a source? Because I've been hearing the opposite.

Then again conflicting messages has been a big issue this entire process.

How about the President of the United States we will be using the public safety exception with his capture-Obama

[Stark]

In this particular case it is reasonable to believe that other unexploded devices may exist and to protect life he will not be reminded of his civil rights. Now questions not related to active devices should not be asked.

So how is this actually supposed to work? Your rights aren't a magic incantation; he can just be exactly as silent as he would be anyway.

Unless, y'know, 'enhanced' methods are used.

[Flagg]

In this particular case it is reasonable to believe that other unexploded devices may exist and to protect life he will not be reminded of his civil rights. Now questions not related to active devices should not be asked.

So how is this actually supposed to work? Your rights aren't a magic incantation; he can just be exactly as silent as he would be anyway.

Unless, y'know, 'enhanced' methods are used.

Yeah, I don't agree with the application of the public safety shit in this case. It's clearly designed for when someone is in imminent danger and Mirandizing them would take necessary time away from getting the information.

[Channel72]

Glad they got the guy alive. I'd rather see him tried than dead, and I admit part of me really, really wants to know what this was all about.

It wasn't about anything. Some young kid had strong feelings that America wronged the Islamic world, so he lashed out against innocents. End of story.

I have strangely mixed feelings toward this whole thing. On the one hand I hope Dzhokar gets the death penalty for all the suffering he caused, but part of me also feels sorry for him. Obviously I have no idea to what extent he was just some psychopath versus a regular young kid who was brainwashed by his elder brother and some stupid JIhadist ideology, but I'm inclined to believe the latter. He could have had a great life, but he chose to do something so unbelievably harmful and stupid.

[weemadando]

Do you *know* that's the reason?

What if it's just two disaffected guys who decided to be murderous?

What if it's because they just had really strong feelings about marathons?

What if it comes out that they had some serious and legitimate grievance and lashed out in entirely the wrong way?

You know fuck all about their motives aside from what has been speculated about based on ethnicity, religion and some rumoured travel that had been undertaken. Such suspicions may (and probably will) end up being justified but at this point we don't know for sure.