Alyeska wrote:Broomstick wrote:I have long maintained that religion serves emotional needs that reason and logic do not.
I call BULLSHIT. I find the pursuit of knowledge to be quite emotionally rewarding. Thats the core behind science and logic.
Well, but which emotional needs are being talked about here? I think it's not entirely bullshit to say that there are some purely emotional needs that religion addresses that reason does not, but I think those emotional needs are manufactured rather than entirely inherent.
I'd love to see my grandmother again, but alas, she died a few years back. My mom still pines for hers, and feels she's been visited in her dreams by the spirit of her own grandmother many times. Clearly my mother has a different emotional need for that continued presence than I do, and even though she has lost faith in nearly all other areas, this one thing (the need to feel a continued presence of her mother and grandmother in her life) is served better by faith than logic... but that's because the logical, rational response is not what she
wants. She knows her mother is dead, she's comfortable with that, but she's not comfortable with being
without her. I'm sure a lot of us would be able to say that a non-theistic worldview is entirely as satisfying and helps remove the fear of death, and I think a lot of those same people (myself included) would
not express an overwhelming emotional need to have a continued hand-on-the-shoulder from a deceased relative. If someone, like my mom, expresses that they
do, maybe a hugely important need for it, I'm not sure that a rational disbelief in the hereafter will ameliorate that need.
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I would suggest that religion manufactures these wants and needs in some part, and then offers the fulfillment. Not even intentionally, just by fleshing out what happens, adding extra fears (Hell!) and extra things to look forwards to (Heaven!) and then raising expectations along the way. I'm looking for a non-crass, non-drug pusher metaphor for this, something like a manufactured need for sexy cars and fancy gadgets, or a manufactured desire for thin women over heavier gals this era when previous eras had different standards for beauty, thus showing that these needs do have a grip on people but that they do not actually exist outside the social conditioning that bred them.
My theory here would imply that a society without much religion would have fewer people claiming to
need (not just miss, which is normal) continued contact with passed-away relatives and so forth. People who have their loved ones suddenly, tragically snatched away don't really count for this, but living a long happy life and dying peacefully in your sleep should not leave such a lasting hole, I would think. Maybe I'm just an asshole. If my theory turns out to be full of shit then so am I, but I think people who were never "really" religious might have a much decreased desire for such things. I will miss my parents when they pass away, probably often and forever, but I am not sure I'll have the same experience she does, or if I would have ever thought about those kinds of feelings if I hadn't see her go through it herself. I hope I do not, it is troubling to think about.
Clearly, studies have shown that emotional needs can be created. I'd say that the emotional needs that religion fills are usually ones it creates itself, and that a non-religious person (or successfully un-religioned person) may simply not understand some of the hunger pangs that a lack of faith leaves because they themselves don't have those same emotional needs. I certainly do not have the same needs as my mother, but I think it may be reasonable to assume some people do, even despite a loss of all other trappings of faith. But maybe I'm just splitting hairs.
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((Since she is the chief subject of this one-person case study, I feel like I should clarify that I really don't think there's any rational solution to what she wants. My assumption that this is an emotional need, and not a fear of death or damnation (which could be reasoned away) is based upon a huge amount of conversations about such things. My mother is personally not sure about what she thinks happens when you die, or if there's a God, or anything, but she also has an intense need to believe that these dreams were real and that there is some watchful spirit of her mother and grandmother with her. Because this need demands an absence of logic, and appears to be based upon a socialized expectation of continued spiritual presence as an expression of love and acceptance from said spiritual force, I can only conclude that my mother is feeling an emotional need that was created by her religion rather than an inherent one. She never doubted her mother's love and acceptance of her in her life, so there's no reason, besides religion, why this intense need should exist after death... at least by my reasoning, weak as it is.))