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Head of Air Force's anti-sexual assault unit arrested for sexual battery

David Alexander of Reuters wrote: WASHINGTON | Mon May 6, 2013 9:03pm EDT

(Reuters) - The officer in charge of the Air Force effort to curb sexual assault in the military was arrested over the weekend for allegedly grabbing a woman by the breasts and buttocks in a parking lot not far from the Pentagon, officials said on Monday.

Lieutenant Colonel Jeffrey Krusinski, 41, was arrested on Sunday and charged with sexual battery after the alleged incident in the Crystal City area of suburban Arlington, Virginia, officials said.

An Arlington County Police spokesman said the woman fended off Krusinski, who was under the influence of alcohol, and when he attempted to grab her a second time she was able to call the police, who arrived a short time later and detained him.

Krusinski initially was held on a $5,000 unsecured bond. He has since posted bond and been released from the Arlington County Detention Facility, said the spokesman, who confirmed Krusinski's name and arrest but did not have his rank or title with the Air Force.

The Air Force said that Krusinski, whom it identified as a lieutenant colonel, had been removed from his job as chief of the service's sexual assault prevention and response branch after his arrest. The branch is responsible for overseeing the Air Force's sexual assault prevention effort.
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This is analogous to a head homicide detective being accused of murder.
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Actually, it's worse.

That this detective might have committed a murder doesn't necessarily lead to him trying to sabotage other murder cases.

A person disregarding females in charge of sexual assault division is quite likely to drop cases because he thinks it was "just in jest", "a misunderstanding", etc.
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Given the stories we've heard of the US military actively persecuting rape victims, I can't say I find this at all surprising.
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LaCroix wrote:Actually, it's worse.

That this detective might have committed a murder doesn't necessarily lead to him trying to sabotage other murder cases.

A person disregarding females in charge of sexual assault division is quite likely to drop cases because he thinks it was "just in jest", "a misunderstanding", etc.
He was apparently drunk off his ass at the time and its an unfortunate reality that many people of all stripes to stupid crap when he was drunk. It doesn't excuse his activity in any way shape or form, and being that drunk when you are in such a position is also stupid, but there is no reason to assume he is a habitual offender. I suppose we will find out.

If anything this is a perfect case study in how anyone not vigilent in moderating their behavior can end up committing these crimes. If someone like this who was obviously vetted, works around SAPR advocates daily and obviously has no deficiency in exposure to training can still do this anyone can. Bad decisions lead to more bad decisions, and we all need to be vigilent in helping those around us we care about avoid their own stupidity because the majority of these cases are not habitual bad eggs but "normal people."
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To be perfectly honest, after watching The Invisible War over the weekend the only thing about this case that actually surprises me is that he lost his job.
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Patroklos wrote:He was apparently drunk off his ass at the time and its an unfortunate reality that many people of all stripes to stupid crap when he was drunk. It doesn't excuse his activity in any way shape or form, and being that drunk when you are in such a position is also stupid, but there is no reason to assume he is a habitual offender. I suppose we will find out.

If anything this is a perfect case study in how anyone not vigilent in moderating their behavior can end up committing these crimes. If someone like this who was obviously vetted, works around SAPR advocates daily and obviously has no deficiency in exposure to training can still do this anyone can. Bad decisions lead to more bad decisions, and we all need to be vigilent in helping those around us we care about avoid their own stupidity because the majority of these cases are not habitual bad eggs but "normal people."
Sorry, but that's just not true. Being drunk removes restraints, common sense and fear of consequences - but it does not give you impulses you don't already have.

The prime example would be that not everyone gets violent when drunk. Others are drunk driving - someone who knows that its wrong no matter what won't do it no matter how drunk. Likewise, someone who knows that sexual activities without an explicit yes from the other person is wrong won't do it either no matter how drunk.


The notion that lots of rapists are actually decent people who just made a stupid mistake is damaging.
Again, it can be compared to drunk or reckless driving - the notion that its something of a juvenile mistake vastly increases its occurence, whereas society realizing that its always wrong reduces it.


So please, don't say "it just happened because he was drunk". It happened because he doesn't care about consent, and due to his work thats even worse than it would normally be.
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Serafina wrote:
Patroklos wrote:He was apparently drunk off his ass at the time and its an unfortunate reality that many people of all stripes to stupid crap when he was drunk. It doesn't excuse his activity in any way shape or form, and being that drunk when you are in such a position is also stupid, but there is no reason to assume he is a habitual offender. I suppose we will find out.

If anything this is a perfect case study in how anyone not vigilent in moderating their behavior can end up committing these crimes. If someone like this who was obviously vetted, works around SAPR advocates daily and obviously has no deficiency in exposure to training can still do this anyone can. Bad decisions lead to more bad decisions, and we all need to be vigilent in helping those around us we care about avoid their own stupidity because the majority of these cases are not habitual bad eggs but "normal people."
Sorry, but that's just not true. Being drunk removes restraints, common sense and fear of consequences - but it does not give you impulses you don't already have.
So...the majority of your life doesn't count against the moment you do something while inebriated? If your common sense is what you use to determine when a situation has gone from acceptable to unacceptable to heinous and you lose it when you're drunk then wouldn't normal impulses become dangerous?
The prime example would be that not everyone gets violent when drunk. Others are drunk driving - someone who knows that its wrong no matter what won't do it no matter how drunk. Likewise, someone who knows that sexual activities without an explicit yes from the other person is wrong won't do it either no matter how drunk.
Has this been tested? Because I suspect that most people know certain stuff is wrong and do it anyway especially when their judgement is impaired. Maybe not if they have some deep well of disgust in them that transcends rational thought...maybe. So if you have rational reasons for not doing X and then you end up doing X while intoxicated it means that you didn't "know" that X was wrong because it wasn't a soul deep belief?
So please, don't say "it just happened because he was drunk". It happened because he doesn't care about consent, and due to his work thats even worse than it would normally be.
I'm curious about the quality of work before his assault. I've always been skeptical about this idea that what someone does when really drunk is a sign of their "real" personality as opposed to the countless other hours of actions while they were not drunk.

Granted, I can see where one is coming from when they say that someone with subconscious (let alone conscious ones) issues might damage cases even if they didn't mean it but the general idea is one I've just never completely bought into.
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Serafina wrote:Sorry, but that's just not true. Being drunk removes restraints, common sense and fear of consequences - but it does not give you impulses you don't already have.

The prime example would be that not everyone gets violent when drunk. Others are drunk driving - someone who knows that its wrong no matter what won't do it no matter how drunk. Likewise, someone who knows that sexual activities without an explicit yes from the other person is wrong won't do it either no matter how drunk.
What does change is that a suppressed impulse may stop being suppressed. Or a hidden opinion may surface. A lot of people suppress violent instincts, for example- we are not surprised that people get into bar fights more often than they get into fights on random stretches of street.
The notion that lots of rapists are actually decent people who just made a stupid mistake is damaging.
Again, it can be compared to drunk or reckless driving - the notion that its something of a juvenile mistake vastly increases its occurence, whereas society realizing that its always wrong reduces it.

So please, don't say "it just happened because he was drunk". It happened because he doesn't care about consent, and due to his work thats even worse than it would normally be.
Personally, I think:
1) It's always wrong.
2) It happens more often when people are drunk- men are more likely to harass women when they are drunk. Men whose judgment and inhibitions would normally stop them, are not stopped when drinking removes the judgment and inhibitions.

You might try to place men on a sliding scale of "how likely is this man to commit sexual assault?" Very few men- almost zero- would do it to a complete stranger while totally sober. A larger percentage would do it to someone they found attractive, who'd had social dealings with them, with their inhibitions lowered by drink.

That's precisely equivalent to drunk driving, where accidents are more likely when drunks get behind the wheel, and less likely when sober people drive. And we still hold the drunk driver accountable for his actions, and as far as I'm concerned that's the right policy.

"He was drunk, and did something he wouldn't do sober," is NOT an excuse. However it's an explanation, and one we might want to think about if we're trying to minimize the number of sexual assaults that happen. He's far from the only man to commit a crime while drunk, that he would probably not have committed sober.
Scrib wrote:I'm curious about the quality of work before his assault. I've always been skeptical about this idea that what someone does when really drunk is a sign of their "real" personality as opposed to the countless other hours of actions while they were not drunk.

Granted, I can see where one is coming from when they say that someone with subconscious (let alone conscious ones) issues might damage cases even if they didn't mean it but the general idea is one I've just never completely bought into.
There does have to be a limit to in vino veritas, I think. You cannot define a person just by their base instincts, and when someone is very drunk, their base instincts are pretty much all they've got left.
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Patroklos wrote:If anything this is a perfect case study in how anyone not vigilent in moderating their behavior can end up committing these crimes.
Do you personally feel yourself a beer or two away from sexually assaulting your co-workers? How often do you have these feelings? How do you control them?
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An update.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/ ... NN20130508

"Since this happened in a civilian setting, not military, it didn't make any sense to me that the military would prosecute this," she said in a phone interview. "We are perfectly capable of going forward."
Nothing would stop the military from going forward after the civilian case is closed. I do wonder if the threat of the military going forward could be used as a bargaining chip to extract a guilty plea.
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amigocabal wrote:Nothing would stop the military from going forward after the civilian case is closed. I do wonder if the threat of the military going forward could be used as a bargaining chip to extract a guilty plea.
While that technically could happen, it would be really fucked up and the only cases that I know of where the military has retried an acquittal from a civilian court has been when new evidence has shown up, and then only in cases like rape or murder. But threating to try you again if you don't plead guilty is precisely the reason that the 5th amendment's double jeopardy clause exists. No one should be intimidated into pleading guilty.
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Atia wrote:To be perfectly honest, after watching The Invisible War over the weekend the only thing about this case that actually surprises me is that he lost his job.
I have to say that sadly I agree completely with the above.

The other element that surprises me is that there isn't a female officer in that position.

EDIT: to avoid a double post I am also commenting on the above post.
I would think that trying to use the threat of a Courts Marshall after a civilian trial would absolutely violate the Fifth ammendment and be exactly the kind of thing that would cause such a case to be defeated on appeal. Especially since the defendant could argue in such a case that he was being prosecuted over his position as much as his actions as the military has to look as if they are doing something.
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Adamskywalker007 wrote:I would think that trying to use the threat of a Courts Marshall after a civilian trial would absolutely violate the Fifth ammendment and be exactly the kind of thing that would cause such a case to be defeated on appeal. Especially since the defendant could argue in such a case that he was being prosecuted over his position as much as his actions as the military has to look as if they are doing something.
I don't know the exact legal justification, but clearly the military can do things that would be totally illegal and unconstitutional in civilian life, like discriminate on the basis of gender and sexual orientation and such. So I'm not sure if the 5th Amendment would apply.
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I dunno about the US armed forces, but in Finland there's strick limits to what "technically illegal" (aka illegal for civilians) things armed forces can do.
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Lord Revan wrote:I dunno about the US armed forces, but in Finland there's strick limits to what "technically illegal" (aka illegal for civilians) things armed forces can do.
I would be absolutely unsurprised to learn that Finland has better civil rights protections than the US on this subject.
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Ralin wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:I dunno about the US armed forces, but in Finland there's strick limits to what "technically illegal" (aka illegal for civilians) things armed forces can do.
I would be absolutely unsurprised to learn that Finland has better civil rights protections than the US on this subject.
I wouldn't be too suprised either but until we hear statements one way or other, I'd said it would best to err on the side of caution and not assume that US armed forces can do what ever they please.
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Patroklos wrote:He was apparently drunk off his ass at the time and its an unfortunate reality that many people of all stripes to stupid crap when he was drunk. It doesn't excuse his activity in any way shape or form, and being that drunk when you are in such a position is also stupid, but there is no reason to assume he is a habitual offender. I suppose we will find out.

If anything this is a perfect case study in how anyone not vigilent in moderating their behavior can end up committing these crimes. If someone like this who was obviously vetted, works around SAPR advocates daily and obviously has no deficiency in exposure to training can still do this anyone can. Bad decisions lead to more bad decisions, and we all need to be vigilent in helping those around us we care about avoid their own stupidity because the majority of these cases are not habitual bad eggs but "normal people."
You do realize that by blaming this on alcohol and attempting to remove all personal responsibility by saying 'people do stupid crap when drunk' you're trivializing the crime? Are you seriously suggesting sexual assault is simply 'something stupid' rather than 'something criminal?' It doesn't matter if he's a habitual offender or not, he did something wrong.
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Stark wrote:
Patroklos wrote:If anything this is a perfect case study in how anyone not vigilent in moderating their behavior can end up committing these crimes.
Do you personally feel yourself a beer or two away from sexually assaulting your co-workers? How often do you have these feelings? How do you control them?
Not that your dickish response deserves an answer but...

...after two beers? No. After getting blackout drunk in my younger days I have no idea what I was thinking or what my judgement calls were in many casaes because both were impaired. Have I done things I normally would not have and am not proud of while drunk? Yep. Am I responsible for them? Yep. Have I done things I would consider out of character that I am not proud of while sober? Being human, yep.

You can go on believing you are immune to the darker side of humanity if you want but you are simply fooling yourself. Everyone has it in them to do horrible things and just because you may have mitigated those chances through whatever means (education, upbringing, anger management, responsible substance use, having trusted friends around you, etc.) does not mean you are no longer capable of them ESPECIALLY when your judgement is physically impaired.

But since you are a Jesus clone who has never done anything wrong drunk or otherwise...
You do realize that by blaming this on alcohol and attempting to remove all personal responsibility by saying 'people do stupid crap when drunk' you're trivializing the crime? Are you seriously suggesting sexual assault is simply 'something stupid' rather than 'something criminal?' It doesn't matter if he's a habitual offender or not, he did something wrong.
Its like you read only a few disconnected words of what I said and made up your own comment to respond to as nothing in the quote above is remotely related to what I said.

1.) I never said drunk decisions are not your decisions. I specifically said the opposite.
2.) I never said you are not repsonsible for drunk decisions. I specifically said the opposite.
3.) Stupid and criminal are not mutually exclusive, nor did I imply they were.

However, if you approach this problem as if alcohol is not a contributing facter in many of these instances or that only super evil habitual guys with twirling mustaches commit these crimes you are never going to solve it. A lot of these are by habitual offenders, but a lot are not. Teaching things like responsible alcohol use, having non impaired friends around when drinking and not thinking you are a super normal guy and thus don't have to watch your behavior as you would NEVER do such a thing is inviting incidents. Normal guys DO commit sexual assalt, ones who never thought they would and probably never will again.
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Patroklos wrote:However, if you approach this problem as if alcohol is not a contributing facter in many of these instances or that only super evil habitual guys with twirling mustaches commit these crimes you are never going to solve it. A lot of these are by habitual offenders, but a lot are not. Teaching things like responsible alcohol use, having non impaired friends around when drinking and not thinking you are a super normal guy and thus don't have to watch your behavior as you would NEVER do such a thing is inviting incidents. Normal guys DO commit sexual assalt, ones who never thought they would and probably never will again.
Sexually assaulting someone because you were drunk is like running over someone because you were wearing a blindfold: even if you didn't make a deliberate choice at the point of impact to disregard your obligation to not fuck over innocent people, you still made a deliberate choice to put yourself in a state where fucking over innocent people was unavoidable. And making that choice still proves you are a horrible person.
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I did not claim he was not a horrible person, I claimed it shouldn't be assumed to be specially prone to the activity or a habitual offender (read the post I quoted and was responding to). Assuming such things about perpetrators means you miss addressing and/or preventing it in a great number of cases.

Also as per the Diane Rehm show this afternoon he is not the head of the sexual assault prevention unit as reported, he was a department head in charge of distributing the training material. The actual head is a one star, I always thought it was odd they reported a light colonel being the head of such a thing.
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Patroklos wrote:I did not claim he was not a horrible person, I claimed it shouldn't be assumed to be specially prone to the activity or a habitual offender (read the post I quoted and was responding to). Assuming such things about perpetrators means you miss addressing and/or preventing it in a great number of cases.
But he is especially prone to the activity: it happened because he was enough of an asshole to make the choices that made it happen. Sexual assault isn't some act of God or natural disaster: it is a direct consequence of people like him acting with a depraved indifference to their obligation to not sexually assault people.
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So we are back to once an asshole always an asshole are we? As well as only people who have always been assholes do bad things?

Let me guess, you are not one of those assholes and you would NEVER do anything wrong, right? You don't have to watch your behavior at all because it is impossible for you to ever do something nasty? Dead sober of black out drunk impaired your decision process always has and always will yield angel like decisions as clean as the wind blown snow?

Does the folly of that not ring immediately apparent to you regarding all hosts of horrible actions people commit?
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Patroklos wrote:So we are back to once and asshole always an asshole are we? As well as only people who have always been assholes do bad things?

Let me guess, you are not one of those assholes and you would NEVER do anything wrong, right?
Right. I, like any decent human being, make choices that do not and can not lead to me sexually assaulting people.
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I edited before your post.

Why are you limiting your observation to sexual assault? It applies equally to every transgression against others. So you are free of sin so to speak, accross the board?

The prisons are full of poeple who had your opinion regarding a whole host of horrendous actions. I guess they were wrong and you are right though.

Have the choices you make while sober ever differed from the choices you make drunk?
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Ralin wrote:
Adamskywalker007 wrote:I would think that trying to use the threat of a Courts Marshall after a civilian trial would absolutely violate the Fifth ammendment and be exactly the kind of thing that would cause such a case to be defeated on appeal. Especially since the defendant could argue in such a case that he was being prosecuted over his position as much as his actions as the military has to look as if they are doing something.
I don't know the exact legal justification, but clearly the military can do things that would be totally illegal and unconstitutional in civilian life, like discriminate on the basis of gender and sexual orientation and such. So I'm not sure if the 5th Amendment would apply.
It's an issue of separate sovereignties, which is the same reason that you can be tried for the same crime in a federal court if you get off in a state court, like the federal trial of the Rodney King case or the military trial of Tim Hennis. It's a rare case that has this happen, I think that the most common use for it was for human rights violations during the civil rights movement.
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